Israel and the present conflict

[Beekeeper]

An obvious fulfillment, but Zechariah 14:4-5 is a difficult prophecy to decipher primarily because the Masoretes inserted their tradition of the messiah splitting apart the Mt of Olives like Moses split the Red Sea into that prophecy simply by altering the pronunciation of one word. The LXX preserved the original reading. Explained on this website:

Azal: A Longtime Mystery Rediscovered
https://zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com

I have read your link with interest,
For those who do not have the time, it contains geological evidence that the mount of olives looked very different in the time of Zechariah.
There has been a massive landslide to the northern and southern sides of the mountain, and the hill that we now see is the eastern and western parts which has remained in tact.
This is further confirmation that Zechariah 14:4-5 has its fulfillment in the past, not in the future.

We should stop trying to share the OT with Judaism, and start SQUABBLING over it like Jesus did.
John 5:39
"Search the scriptures (Old Testament}; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me"

 

[homwardbound]

It is unclear here what you are asking me to do.
Should I not expose evil?
If I fail to do that I would have to repent before God.
Should I humble myself to Him or to spiritual wickedness and false doctrine?
It is no value to us to be called "Christian" by men.
It does not even make us brothers.
We all need God to see something of the character and mind of Jesus in us.
He will test our faith.
Modern Israel is one of those tests.
Will we bless Jesus, or will we bless the idol?
Genesis 12:3 in light of Galatians 3:16, Galatians 3:29 and Galatians 6:16.

Since by God, by God in risen Son you are led, please continue, thank you
I=, for me in my walk given me, I see to love all, not a few. My enemy, beats me, hurts me, defrauds me
Feed that enemy Food, The Love and mercy of God.
Heapo coals of fire on the enemies head. Be led as in Luke 21:14-15

Love of God Won, by Son going willingly to that cross to be crucified. He is risen and still did not fight back to the flesh nature that got him killed. (Col 2) He is alive for us to receive this same Love and mercy given us. Not to condemn, why?
Because by this cross that took away sin in Father's sight for us to get new life in the risen Christ given us, simply loves us, as no one deserved this to get =given this before or after belief
Love overcame evil So do the same overcome evil with love, God's type 1Cor 13:4-7, 13
if in you, you know, this love given you, can you still condemn anyone? Me, I can't since seeing. this amazing love for all
Thanks

It seems, you might have OCRD Obsessive, Compulsive, Religious, Disorder

I had this in past, to this day it still shows its ugly face of evil, that keeps people under Law, under a curse to do to get to to keep God's love and mercy, otherwise God will get you, attitudes of religions

Peter denied God three times and God remained in forgiveness to Peter, only said feed my sheep. Feed them what? Love, God's Love nest described in 1 Cor 13:4-7, which for anyone to do that in truthm=, needs that imputed into them, to have it and do it naturally new. Thank you

Should I not expose evil?

God has done that and does that God himself in Spirit and Truth to each person, and does not condemn them, says I love you, will you see and stop that please, it is not good for you, is it? When you or anyone else does any evil., Do you think you or they or I do not know it?
God came to reconcile us all in. Son, 2 Cor 5:16-20, that is done John 19:30, John 1:29, he did it for us, without asking anyone, if he should do this , did God?
God id love, love for us all, so given love that same as God hs given to you first, thanks as God leads not me anymore. Learning this daily

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is further confirmation that Zechariah 14:4-5 has its fulfillment in the past, not in the future.

The Bible is clear, God said He would restore Israel, they are the dry bones that will live again. God promised a land that they would never be uprooted from again. Jesus never changed that message.

 

[Falconn007]

I've not followed Chuck Missler before. I've not been all that interested in last days events until fairly recently. Chuck Missler passed away in 2018 and I don't know when he preached this message. In light of recent events, it is fascinating to hear what he had to say. It's quite long, but well worth your time.

I could not get past the 1 minute of this carnal video.

He starts with "an alternative VIEW" - the Word of God states no such thing as there is only ONE way to DISCERN and that is with Spirit.

The person in the video never speaks of 'Spiritual truth', just carnal thinking and carnal imagination.

To think[without Spirit] and to imagine are both concepts of mankind the are soaked in doubts, this is opposite of 'Faith in Spirit'.

The nation of Israel and this present conflict is a worldly event that has nothing to do with God's Word. Otherwise why would God states this -

James 4:4
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is to be enemy with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

***Adulterers and adulteresses! - These are people who whore themselves to the world aka. the Great Whore of Babylon.

God calls his Spiritual Israelites from out of the world of mankind-flesh.

Revelation 18:4
1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

[This includes -Israel, otherwise this verse would have stated; Israel would have been excluded]

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

[the whores - Adulterers and adulteresses! , have rejected their KING and HUSBAND ad they believe they will not see/experience tribulation]

8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

witness...

1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. / For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. / The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.

Romans 8:7
because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

John 15:18-19
If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first. / If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

1 Corinthians 10:21
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of demons too.

Galatians 1:10
Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

"Israel and the present conflict" - This worldly conflict is better represented by another worldly idol, since the Word of God is ignored and idols are like bread and butter on this forum :



It is of a beastly nature and nothing that attains to Spiritual-Truth.

 

[PaulThomson]

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A Christian hating is a branch disconnected from the tree.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

A Christian hating is a branch disconnected from the tree.

The Bible says the Jews can be grafted back into their own tree. And that Gentiles can be cut off. Neither of us can boast of our place.

 

[Gideon300]

I could not get past the 1 minute of this carnal video.

He starts with "an alternative VIEW" - the Word of God states no such thing as there is only ONE way to DISCERN and that is with Spirit.

The person in the video never speaks of 'Spiritual truth', just carnal thinking and carnal imagination.

To think[without Spirit] and to imagine are both concepts of mankind the are soaked in doubts, this is opposite of 'Faith in Spirit'.

The nation of Israel and this present conflict is a worldly event that has nothing to do with God's Word. Otherwise why would God states this -

James 4:4
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is to be enemy with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

***Adulterers and adulteresses! - These are people who whore themselves to the world aka. the Great Whore of Babylon.

God calls his Spiritual Israelites from out of the world of mankind-flesh.

Revelation 18:4
1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

[This includes -Israel, otherwise this verse would have stated; Israel would have been excluded]

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

[the whores - Adulterers and adulteresses! , have rejected their KING and HUSBAND ad they believe they will not see/experience tribulation]

8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

witness...

1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. / For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. / The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.

Romans 8:7
because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

John 15:18-19
If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first. / If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

1 Corinthians 10:21
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of demons too.

Galatians 1:10
Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

"Israel and the present conflict" - This worldly conflict is better represented by another worldly idol, since the Word of God is ignored and idols are like bread and butter on this forum :

View attachment 282571

It is of a beastly nature and nothing that attains to Spiritual-Truth.

Funny, Paul had opinions. No doubt you diss him too.

 

[Beekeeper]

Since by God, by God in risen Son you are led, please continue, thank you
I=, for me in my walk given me, I see to love all, not a few. My enemy, beats me, hurts me, defrauds me
Feed that enemy Food, The Love and mercy of God.
Heapo coals of fire on the enemies head. Be led as in Luke 21:14-15

Love of God Won, by Son going willingly to that cross to be crucified. He is risen and still did not fight back to the flesh nature that got him killed. (Col 2) He is alive for us to receive this same Love and mercy given us. Not to condemn, why?
Because by this cross that took away sin in Father's sight for us to get new life in the risen Christ given us, simply loves us, as no one deserved this to get =given this before or after belief
Love overcame evil So do the same overcome evil with love, God's type 1Cor 13:4-7, 13
if in you, you know, this love given you, can you still condemn anyone? Me, I can't since seeing. this amazing love for all
Thanks

It seems, you might have OCRD Obsessive, Compulsive, Religious, Disorder

I had this in past, to this day it still shows its ugly face of evil, that keeps people under Law, under a curse to do to get to to keep God's love and mercy, otherwise God will get you, attitudes of religions

Peter denied God three times and God remained in forgiveness to Peter, only said feed my sheep. Feed them what? Love, God's Love nest described in 1 Cor 13:4-7, which for anyone to do that in truthm=, needs that imputed into them, to have it and do it naturally new. Thank you



God has done that and does that God himself in Spirit and Truth to each person, and does not condemn them, says I love you, will you see and stop that please, it is not good for you, is it? When you or anyone else does any evil., Do you think you or they or I do not know it?
God came to reconcile us all in. Son, 2 Cor 5:16-20, that is done John 19:30, John 1:29, he did it for us, without asking anyone, if he should do this , did God?
God id love, love for us all, so given love that same as God hs given to you first, thanks as God leads not me anymore. Learning this daily

Homeward, you can correctly diagnose me with many far worse conditions than the ones you have mentioned here.
I hope you can also see there is an important discussion taking place here, and it is not about me.
If all you can see in the exchange that is happening is ego battles between persons that is a loss also to yourself.

False teachings must be brought to the light of scripture, and God is pleased to use us.
Ephesians 5:11

We have just seen prophesies from before the Babylonian exile interpreted into the future without mention of the second temple restoration .
It is as if they had hoped we would not notice.
Much more seriously, we have seen prophesies about Jesus deliberately obscured for a political agenda.
This did not just happen once, but many times right before our eyes.

Well, have we not all been confused by these kinds of tricks before?
Of course we have,
but do we not all thank God for sending those that can help us!
In the presence of lies we show mercy and love by exposing them.
We shame ourselves and show great unkindness by our silence.

 

[Beekeeper]

A Christian hating is a branch disconnected from the tree.

I am sure that you know that the tree belongs to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
I hope you also agree with me that the branches are persons.
We can hate all manner of political and religious institutions, because they are only "its", not persons.
We can even hate some beliefs. Why not? God does!
His love towards us is not as fragile as many make it seem.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Well, have we not all been confused by these kinds of tricks before?

@homwardbound the Bible is clear that Israel will be restored and the Jews will be brought back from around the world to their homeland, never to be uprooted again. Romans 11 makes that clear. There are no tricks, nor ego, there is the truth and it can be found easily reading God's Word.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

His love towards us is not as fragile as many make it seem.

The irony of this comment. smh

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

@homwardbound the Bible is clear that Israel will be restored and the Jews will be brought back from around the world to their homeland, never to be uprooted again. Romans 11 makes that clear. There are no tricks, nor ego, there is the truth and it can be found easily reading God's Word.

That happens at this time, not before.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:30-31​

 

[homwardbound]

I could not get past the 1 minute of this carnal video.

He starts with "an alternative VIEW" - the Word of God states no such thing as there is only ONE way to DISCERN and that is with Spirit.

The person in the video never speaks of 'Spiritual truth', just carnal thinking and carnal imagination.

To think[without Spirit] and to imagine are both concepts of mankind the are soaked in doubts, this is opposite of 'Faith in Spirit'.

The nation of Israel and this present conflict is a worldly event that has nothing to do with God's Word. Otherwise why would God states this -

James 4:4
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is to be enemy with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

***Adulterers and adulteresses! - These are people who whore themselves to the world aka. the Great Whore of Babylon.

God calls his Spiritual Israelites from out of the world of mankind-flesh.

Revelation 18:4
1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

[This includes -Israel, otherwise this verse would have stated; Israel would have been excluded]

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

[the whores - Adulterers and adulteresses! , have rejected their KING and HUSBAND ad they believe they will not see/experience tribulation]

8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

witness...

1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. / For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. / The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.

Romans 8:7
because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

John 15:18-19
If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first. / If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

1 Corinthians 10:21
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of demons too.

Galatians 1:10
Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

"Israel and the present conflict" - This worldly conflict is better represented by another worldly idol, since the Word of God is ignored and idols are like bread and butter on this forum :

View attachment 282571

It is of a beastly nature and nothing that attains to Spiritual-Truth.

For all that are in Jesus the risen One (Won) given this by God Father alone. are sealed by Father to see and be new, still having free choice. Thank you Lord
Many are in process, all get sealed to see truth over error from God to them from the very first day anyone chooses to stand in beleif to God as Son is risen for them. The new life is sealed by God to see, this begins Eph 1:13
One begins to see Accepted, Forgiven by God first, Eph 1:6-7 100%, 1 John 2:1-27 Unless one, anyone accepts God to lead them and remain willing to God's love and mercy for therm and all others also. One, many, then will see this truth from God to themselves personally. and share to all in care to all, just loving God's way 1 Cor 13:4-7
Will see OCRD = Obsessional compulsive religious disorder gets put into all people trying to not die, religion is not bad of itself.
The trap of evil is, I am better than others and I do not do as others, yet we all are reprobates Luke 18:9-14, justified comes through being forgiven by God Father in Son first 2 Cor 5:17-20` Frist reconciled then new life offered in the risen Son from God Father
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

God won in Son for us to be made new in his Son's risen life for us. Once believe God, see to learn what dependance on God 100% means. That is what Jesus was and is forever, 100% dependent, calls us all to be new the same as Jesus is, to only depend on Father through risen Son in love and mercy to all, thanks I speak mainly to me at least

 

[homwardbound]

Homeward, you can correctly diagnose me with many far worse conditions than the ones you have mentioned here.
I hope you can also see there is an important discussion taking place here, and it is not about me.
If all you can see in the exchange that is happening is ego battles between persons that is a loss also to yourself.

False teachings must be brought to the light of scripture, and God is pleased to use us.
Ephesians 5:11

We have just seen prophesies from before the Babylonian exile interpreted into the future without mention of the second temple restoration .
It is as if they had hoped we would not notice.
Much more seriously, we have seen prophesies about Jesus deliberately obscured for a political agenda.
This did not just happen once, but many times right before our eyes.

Well, have we not all been confused by these kinds of tricks before?
Of course we have,
but do we not all thank God for sending those that can help us!
In the presence of lies we show mercy and love by exposing them.
We shame ourselves and show great unkindness by our silence.

It is the Love and mercy that frees us to do the same for all
The time to stand is: When others publicly come against God's Children
When did Jesus ever fight back? Never
He only responded to the Pharisees tricks, that confronted him. He never went up against them, or came at them
Only responded truth, thank you

 

[homwardbound]

@homwardbound the Bible is clear that Israel will be restored and the Jews will be brought back from around the world to their homeland, never to be uprooted again. Romans 11 makes that clear. There are no tricks, nor ego, there is the truth and it can be found easily reading God's Word.

With a Heart for God. God then reveals to his, as God knows who are sincere and are not yet. And still continues to reach out to us all in love and mercy of Son. Amazing How Paul could sya
There are those sincere and those that are not that preach Son. I will glory in both! Why
Christ is preached. I see Paul knew and knows God will reach all through any deceptions out in the world
Glorying in Christ being preached.
Thanks Sis

 

[HeIsHere]

A Christian hating is a branch disconnected from the tree.

No one who is connected to Christ Jesus, He in them, and them in Him, is ever disconnected because His sacrifice met all the conditions.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

That happens at this time, not before.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:30-31​

1948 started God's prophetic time clock.

 

[Falconn007]

@homwardbound the Bible is clear that Israel will be restored and the Jews will be brought back from around the world to their homeland, never to be uprooted again. Romans 11 makes that clear. There are no tricks, nor ego, there is the truth and it can be found easily reading God's Word.

This is an out right carnal LIE !!!


What was it you posted ...???? OH YEAH !!!!!

"The irony of this comment. smh"

Romans 11 states no false assumption as you proclaimed :

"the Bible is clear that Israel will be restored and the Jews will be brought back from around the world to their homeland, never to be uprooted again."

Here it is :

Romans 10
1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

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Romans 11:1
1I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3“Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?

4But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”

5Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
7What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8Just as it is written:
“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

9And David says:
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

11I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.

12Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.

15For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?


16For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.

21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

22Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

23And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

30For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

33Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34“For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
35“Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”

36For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

>>>> I have read this several times , can you point out where you assume :

"the Bible is clear that Israel will be restored and the Jews will be brought back from around the world to their homeland," - this statement is in opposition too ....

Romans 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world,

witness...

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

>>>>You can not change the fact that Israel rejects the Christ/Messiah of God, who is the Eternal Living Word of God.

Romans 11:25
25For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

>>>> True there are a few who are Israel, who will turn to Spiritual Faith but they do not all compose the whole nation of Israel.

Never amazes me, how carnal people and their twisted gospels, have the audacity to wonder why their congregations and pews are emptying!!!!

 

[PaulThomson]

I am sure that you know that the tree belongs to the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
I hope you also agree with me that the branches are persons.
We can hate all manner of political and religious institutions, because they are only "its", not persons.
We can even hate some beliefs. Why not? God does!
His love towards us is not as fragile as many make it seem.

Good points, Beekeeper. My post was way too lacking in nuance to comport with scripture. I was thinking of hate as wishing evil on people. Hate covers a far wider spectrum than that. I recant.

 

[Beekeeper]

I could not get past the 1 minute of this carnal video.

He starts with "an alternative VIEW" - the Word of God states no such thing as there is only ONE way to DISCERN and that is with Spirit.

The person in the video never speaks of 'Spiritual truth', just carnal thinking and carnal imagination.

To think[without Spirit] and to imagine are both concepts of mankind the are soaked in doubts, this is opposite of 'Faith in Spirit'.

The nation of Israel and this present conflict is a worldly event that has nothing to do with God's Word. Otherwise why would God states this -

James 4:4
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is to be enemy with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

***Adulterers and adulteresses! - These are people who whore themselves to the world aka. the Great Whore of Babylon.

God calls his Spiritual Israelites from out of the world of mankind-flesh.

Revelation 18:4
1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

[This includes -Israel, otherwise this verse would have stated; Israel would have been excluded]

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

[the whores - Adulterers and adulteresses! , have rejected their KING and HUSBAND ad they believe they will not see/experience tribulation]

8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

witness...

1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. / For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. / The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.

Romans 8:7
because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

John 15:18-19
If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first. / If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

1 Corinthians 10:21
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of demons too.

Galatians 1:10
Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

"Israel and the present conflict" - This worldly conflict is better represented by another worldly idol, since the Word of God is ignored and idols are like bread and butter on this forum :

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It is of a beastly nature and nothing that attains to Spiritual-Truth.

I watched the first 30 minutes of the video, which is enough to cover his Biblical interpretations.
What a joke! Do people really accept this sort rubbish as Biblical theology.
He jumps straight to modern Israel in search for the fulfillment of every old prophesy, including the psalms.
It is as if it is blasphemous to look anywhere else.
When he sees no possibility of fulfillment in modern Israel he concludes that we should expect some sort of miraculous transformation event there first.

I notice that you have associated modern Israel with "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.".(Revelations 17:5)
Well I was trying to be politically correct and break it to them gently, but I guess cat's out of the bag now.
It is not uncharacteristic in the Bible for apostate Israel to be referred to as a harlot.
Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel all name her that way, in reference to her spiritual condition before the Babylonian captivity.

Another pre-captivity prophesy that Zionists project into the future is Zechariah 13:8.
It is predicted here that two thirds of the people of Israel are to be killed.
That means if there are to be 9 million at the time, 6 million will be killed.
So this is the true nature of their "love" when they tell Jews to go to "Israel".
No wonder they don't often talk about this verse.

So I guess that you and I are to be diagnosed with LMNOPXYZ spiritual condition.
Praise God for that!