Does Jesus delegate like Moses did? Jethro's Advice (Ex. 18)

[SilverBigBack]

Hello all.

I was reading Exodus chapter 18 and a question formed in my mind.

After learning that Moses was taking care of Israel's problems alone, his father-in-law Jethro, a righteous man, instructed Moses to delegate the people by tens, hundreds, thousands etc. to righteous men (who will act as judges or civil officials) while Moses will represent the people before God. Moses was a finite man like us and could not do everything alone.

My question is this: is this a picture of the kingdom of Heaven under Jesus, right now?

I know Jesus is God and God is infinite, unlike Moses, and doesn't need to worry about burning himself out. But he is also a man...

Maybe this is why Catholics believe in praying to saints?

Any thoughts or opinions? Seems like there could be some interesting discussion here.

 

[Albert]

Jesus Greater Than Moses
3 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest. 2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house. 3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5 “Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house,”[a] bearing witness to what would be spoken by God in the future. 6 But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.

 

[Albert]

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The New testament contrasted the old way in which is called mans way was to please God (the law) and The New Way in which the Only way to please God is faith in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ shows us all the awesome revelations of his Kingdom in which is unfathomable by human understanding with us being born again. Jesus leads us to Holiness in which men are not the vision of individuals anymore or are the center of our cares anymore but one man ( Jesus Christ ) who leads us to serving Father God by His Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:9 ►

However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived” — the things God has prepared for those who love him—​

 

[Dino246]

I know Jesus is God and God is infinite, unlike Moses, and doesn't need to worry about burning himself out. But he is also a man...

Jesus is fully God, and the limitations He endured while robed in flesh don't limit Him now, so there is no need for Him to delegate as Moses did.

However...

He does choose to involve His people in the work of the kingdom, and He does extend His authority to us, so we are His delegates to the unbelievers and ungodly.

Maybe this is why Catholics believe in praying to saints?

They have some goofy reasons, none of which stand up to Scripture-based examination.

 

[homwardbound]

Hello all.

I was reading Exodus chapter 18 and a question formed in my mind.

After learning that Moses was taking care of Israel's problems alone, his father-in-law Jethro, a righteous man, instructed Moses to delegate the people by tens, hundreds, thousands etc. to righteous men (who will act as judges or civil officials) while Moses will represent the people before God. Moses was a finite man like us and could not do everything alone.

My question is this: is this a picture of the kingdom of Heaven under Jesus, right now?

I know Jesus is God and God is infinite, unlike Moses, and doesn't need to worry about burning himself out. But he is also a man...

Maybe this is why Catholics believe in praying to saints?

Any thoughts or opinions? Seems like there could be some interesting discussion here.

Interesting Moses

Living Bible

Deuteronomy 18:17-22

17 “‘All right,’ the Lord said to me, ‘I will do as they have requested. 18 I will raise up from among them a prophet, an Israeli like you. I will tell him what to say, and he shall be my spokesman to the people. 19 I will personally deal with anyone who will not listen to him and heed his messages from me. 20 But any prophet who falsely claims that his message is from me shall die. And any prophet who claims to give a message from other gods must die.’ 21 If you wonder, ‘How shall we know whether the prophecy is from the Lord or not?’ 22 this is the way to know:
If the thing he prophesies doesn’t happen, it is not the Lord who has given him the message; he has made it up himself. You have nothing to fear from him.

Everything Jesus said, has come true, No lies ever came out of his Mouth. The exact representation of God, in flesh for us the people that are not perfect. He was and is for us to be saved by Father forever in trust to Father by Son for us all

The people did request as savior
Read when they got sore afraid at Mt Horeb, when God spoke to them from the Thunder and Lightening, they said they wanted Moses, for God to tell Moses and they would listen to Moses. Moses said listen to the one coming after him.

God said at Jesus's water Baptism, this is my Son whom I am pleased in, listen to him. Jesus, did not ever sin once, and that was for us to be adopted into his love and mercy for us. Proven in being risen from the dead, where, more than 500 witnesses saw him as risen as true and is reported to us all in the messages written by them to us all. see 1 Corinthians 15
Love overcame and overcomes evil forever. All Evil has got left after the death, burial, resurrection is: Fear, quilt and Pride to try to instill into anyone it can through doubts, and that brings out evil in through them.
There is no fear in God's love of 1 Cor 13:4-7 none
Disciples reported we now love because God loved us first
Tell me, how can anyone not love, once see this from God for them? All as called, yes even those that have done you wrong. Have you not done wrong? God went to that cross for us all 2 Cor 5:16-20, that is done John 19:30 John 1:29 fulfilled, Matthew 5:17 fulfilled.
God loves us so much God willingly sent Son and Son came to earth willingly though Mary of the tribe of Judah, to reconcile us all to Father in himself. to give new life in his risen Life for us to love also, the same as God loved us all first in Son's willing death one time for us all. Once believe then new life is received and God abides in you to love even those that do you wrong or others as well.
Love overcomes evil, Love of God through Son overcame evil, defeated evil, God is the leader for us to love all in the same mercy and love given to us by Son first. Who willingly going to death in our place for us all.
Therefore reckon self dead to sin, dead to first birth and be alive in the second birth, having received the Spirit and Truth of God for you too, thank you

At least me I see this after a long walk off a short pier daily

 

[Magenta]

Maybe this is why Catholics believe in praying to saints?

Their main person to pray to has been Mary, and it is only very recently that the RCC has backed off its
adherence to calling Mary a co-mediatrix along with Christ. But they do still believe Mary is alive in
heaven having never died here on earth and been bodily assumed, which has zero Scriptural support.
Neither of the RCC's ex cathedra dogmas have Scriptural support, though they are mandated for the
Catholic to accept as true and to believe. Both ex cathedra dogmas have to do with Mary. You might
think that if the RCC was going to make anything mandatory to accept and believe, it would have to
do with God and/or Jesus Christ, but no, they have historically paid way too much attention to Mary,
given her many names and honorifics and elevated her above other women instead of acknowledging
that she was blessed among women.

 

[SilverBigBack]

Their main person to pray to has been Mary, and it is only very recently that the RCC has backed off its
adherence to calling Mary a co-mediatrix along with Christ. But they do still believe Mary is alive in
heaven having never died here on earth and been bodily assumed, which has zero Scriptural support.
Neither of the RCC's ex cathedra dogmas have Scriptural support, though they are mandated for the
Catholic to accept as true and to believe. Both ex cathedra dogmas have to do with Mary. You might
think that if the RCC was going to make anything mandatory to accept and believe, it would have to
do with God and/or Jesus Christ, but no, they have historically paid way too much attention to Mary,
given her many names and honorifics and elevated her above other women instead of acknowledging
that she was blessed among women.

Very interesting, thank you! For some reason I was under the belief that the RCC also prayed to minor saints. I was not aware it was only Mary that they threw in with God.

 

[Magenta]

Very interesting, thank you! For some reason I was under the belief that the RCC also prayed to minor saints. I was not aware it was only Mary that they threw in with God.

Eh? I did not say they did not pray to others. My post -which you responded to- opened with:

Their main person to pray to has been Mary.

 

[SilverBigBack]

Jesus is fully God, and the limitations He endured while robed in flesh don't limit Him now, so there is no need for Him to delegate as Moses did.

However...

He does choose to involve His people in the work of the kingdom, and He does extend His authority to us, so we are His delegates to the unbelievers and ungodly.


They have some goofy reasons, none of which stand up to Scripture-based examination.

Thank you, your view makes a lot of sense to me. Especially the point "as Moses did."

 

[SilverBigBack]

Eh? I did not say they did not pray to others. My post -which you responded to- opened with:

Their main person to pray to has been Mary.

My bad. The ending of the post led me to that conclusion.
If I knew any Catholics I would have asked them myself but they are almost devoid in my area.