Tell me...
Do you have any idea what I said?
I think not.
I do not think you really want to get it right.
For you take too much pleasure in elevating yourself while pretending I said something wrong.
I see what you do.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Do you have any idea what I said?
I think not.
I do not think you really want to get it right.
For you take too much pleasure in elevating yourself while pretending I said something wrong.
I see what you do.
It may not look as if you are to you. But really the only reason why anyone is paying them attention is to correct them.
All there doing is projecting false images onto everyone all the time.
They will never repent either.
The bible calls them a law unto themselves
again ... it goes both ways ... if you don't see it, you don't see it ...
James 3:2-10
2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
3 Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
hope/pray all is well with you Jordon ... I'm off to celebrate my daughter's birthday ...
ttfn.
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Blue155
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@Magenta, it’s ok if you laugh or think I’m more superior than others. And you’re entitled to believe that I’m a heretic, as you have that freedom and right to do such, and everyone has a right to express their belief and opinion. Nevertheless, I still love you. Peace and good will blessings to you and your family.
I don't believe you. You talk like I am unsaved and that is not love, you act superior
and now pretend you don't? That just makes you dishonest as well. Pelagiansim
is heretical, free will beliefs are born from that, thinking the flesh can please God.
It's like B_H going on and on about only wanting to discuss Scripture while he honed
in on his repeated personal attacks and never stopped falsely accusing me.
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Blue155
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You’re entitled to believe that I’m a heretic, as you have that freedom and right to do such, and everyone has a right to express their belief and opinion. Nevertheless, I still love you. Peace and good will blessings to you and your family.
Pelagianism is not the same as free will people.
Free will people recognize we have a sin nature, and that we require God's power of grace to make free, so the soul to make a choice.
Here is what you are probably missing.
It makes you look bad when you start condemning those who believe God can grant freedom (by grace) to use one's will as being duped by Pelagiansim. We do not believe we are born with that freedom to choose.
Here is what you keep failing to see is the difference.
Pelagianism rejects original sin, arguing that humans are not born inherently sinful.
That is huge difference!
If you do not want to be accused for false accusations?
It is time you learned that factor and stop making your accusation erroneously.
grace and peace ..........
So, Romans 3:10-11 does not apply universally to “all” people.
Should these Calvinists first of all rightly understand this passage, it would then be mercifully relieved of their persistent horrifically abusive tormenting of it.
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Blue155
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@cv5, is it possible to please God in the flesh all while not walking after the flesh?
“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh” (Rom. 8:3)
“And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Mt. 3:17)
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously (1 Peter 2:21-23)
If “in the flesh” (physical body) automatically means “cannot please God,” then Jesus could not have pleased God.
That alone proves Paul means something different by “flesh” in Romans 8:8.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” (Gal. 2:20)
But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. (1 Thess. 2:4)
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. (Tim. 4:7-8)
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. (1 Cor. 9:27)
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (Rom. 6:12-13)
“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh” (Rom. 8:3)
“And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Mt. 3:17)
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously (1 Peter 2:21-23)
If “in the flesh” (physical body) automatically means “cannot please God,” then Jesus could not have pleased God.
That alone proves Paul means something different by “flesh” in Romans 8:8.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” (Gal. 2:20)
But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. (1 Thess. 2:4)
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. (Tim. 4:7-8)
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. (1 Cor. 9:27)
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (Rom. 6:12-13)
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Blue155
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And you know why that didn't happen? It didn't because God's thoughts and ways are infinitely higher than ours and HE obviously thought that by raising up Pharaoh the Creator-Redeemer would be glorified by the king -- all far God's glory and the greater good for Israel.
And no, why would I want God to harden my heart? Unless it was also for my good -- perhaps to teach me a valuable spiritual lesson.
What about all the evil that God ordained for Joseph through his sinful brothers? God's hand was in all that and He decreed (permitted) all that evil to occur also for a greater good. And once again, that greater good was so that God would keep all his messianic prophecies.
But be of good cheer! This fallen world will one day come to a crashing end and God will no longer have to work through the many evils of humanity to achieve his plans and purposes. In the eternal New Order, I kinda doubt there will be any hardened hearts -- either decreed by God or self-induced by man's own wickedness and deceitfulness.
So why all the empathy or sympathy for a king who was a type of Satan on several different levels? Your whole theology is MAN-centered, so naturally it never entered your mind that God does ALL things first and foremost for HIS own GLORY! As difficult as this might be for you to understand -- the pots are not greater than the Potter.
Sir.... I have determined a while back, that I have no reason to explain to you what you have proven to have no capacity for.
It is like you call evil good. And, good evil.
Please refrain trying to discuss with me.
If you can...