At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

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Me_Clay said:
I'm not very sure - i see more of a child of devil by her fruit

Ofcourse, I will give an account to God.
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Stop following this man who preach the gospel of God. You're like the python demon that Paul cast out

Go see a physician
 
Me_Clay said:
I'm not very sure - i see more of a child of devil by her fruit

Ofcourse, I will give an account to God.
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You can tell by her fruits
Any tree not planted by my Father will be uprooted

You guys treat Christianity like a country club

Membership has it's privileged- absolutely BS

Stop playing with fire 🔥

What shall I says, let grace be abound? So you can sin more and in peace?

Instead of obeying God's commandments, you rather worship her even thought she's wrong?
 
Me_Clay said:
You can tell by her fruits
Any tree not planted by my Father will be uprooted

You guys treat Christianity like a country club

Membership has it's privileged- absolutely BS

Stop playing with fire 🔥

What shall I says, let grace be abound? So you can sin more and in peace?

Instead of obeying God's commandments, you rather worship her even thought she's wrong?
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I can see she has many followers, her witchcraft and enchantment is quite highly skilled

You can't stop them, they're everywhere like what Jesus tells us.

The goat and sheep, the tare and wheat

So you think club membership can take you to heaven?
 

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Blue155 said:
I do not believe there are two baptisms today. I do not believe there are two baptisms for the remission of sins. I do not believe there are two baptisms that is universal for every person to submit to. So, quit saying that about me, as it’s not true. I have never believed that from our entire conversation. What I have always believed in this convo is there is one baptism that remains (Eph. 4:4-5). And I have said it is the baptism for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38). I explained the purpose of Holy Spirit baptism and how it was to the apostles and how it is no longer available. I also explained how it was not universal—limited to the apostles, thus making it obsolete and not the one baptism Paul wrote about. I also explained why the Gentiles spoke in tongues, and why Peter said what he did. By the time Paul wrote Ephesians, there was one baptism that was, is, and always has and always will be binding onto all by the authority of Jesus until He returns (2 Thess. 1:7-9) and the world ends (2 Peter 3:10-13). I explained how that baptism that is binding on all is the one Jesus commanded after His resurrection throughout the world (Mk. 16:15-16) and explained when it began. The baptism of the Holy Spirit was not for the remission of sins (I explained why earlier), it was not universal for all (pretty sure I explained why earlier), it was not the baptism that people are baptized into Christ Jesus and into His death (Rom. 6:3-4), it was not the baptism Christ commanded the apostles/disciples to administer throughout the world by the authority of God (also explained earlier, Mk. 16:15-16; Mt. 28:18-20) it was not the baptism that saves by/through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Peter 3:21), it was not the baptism that Ananias told Saul to have his sins washed away (Acts 22:16), it was not the baptism that puts one into the body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:13; Acts 2:47–which would mean every believer had to have experienced the one baptism that can and does put one into the body, thus ruling out Holy Spirit baptism), it was not the baptism that puts one into Christ (Gal. 3:26-27), it was not the one baptism that the apostles and disciples taught to submit to (Mt. 28:19-20) and it was not the one baptism that all Christians experienced (Acts 2:38-47; Rom. 6:3; Col. 2:12; Gal. 3:26-27; 1 Cor. 12:13; Mark 16:16; Acts 8:36-38 etc). So, which one is left? Water baptism. For what reason? The remission of sins. Period. And no, I’m not a Baptist. I’m a Christian who is a member of the church of Christ —the body of Christ.
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You are spot in so many ways, thank you.

Strange you say,

You said,
"I explained the purpose of Holy Spirit baptism and how it was to the apostles and how it is no longer available."

Which is strange, not sure about 10 plus years back JESUS filled me with HIS spirit and I spoke in tongues it changed my life.

I'm and hands on guy, like Thomas was and was thinking how else do we know JESUS is alive?

JESUS said in,
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

He said in,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Peter said in,
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

We SHALL received the gift and it's for ALL.

I've seen other filled with the Holy Ghost and it changed their life also, HE'S ALIVE.

So why don't you believe it?
 
Ouch said:
You are spot in so many ways, thank you.

Strange you say,

You said,
"I explained the purpose of Holy Spirit baptism and how it was to the apostles and how it is no longer available."

Which is strange, not sure about 10 plus years back JESUS filled me with HIS spirit and I spoke in tongues it changed my life.

I'm and hands on guy, like Thomas was and was thinking how else do we know JESUS is alive?

JESUS said in,
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

He said in,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Peter said in,
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

We SHALL received the gift and it's for ALL.

I've seen other filled with the Holy Ghost and it changed their life also, HE'S ALIVE.

So why don't you believe it?
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I do believe those verses. I believe Mark 16:17 was for a purpose that the early church needed, and I believe in the other passages you listed as well. John 3:5 and Acts 2:38-39 are forever binding until the Lord returns. So I do believe. I believe there is one baptism. Not two. If HSB still happened then that would be two baptisms, but Paul says there’s one baptism.
 
Me_Clay said:
You can tell by her fruits
Any tree not planted by my Father will be uprooted

You guys treat Christianity like a country club

Membership has it's privileged- absolutely BS

Stop playing with fire 🔥

What shall I says, let grace be abound? So you can sin more and in peace?

Instead of obeying God's commandments, you rather worship her even thought she's wrong?
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@Me_Clay : Are you serious?
 
Blue155 said:
I do not believe there are two baptisms today. I do not believe there are two baptisms for the remission of sins. I do not believe there are two baptisms that is universal for every person to submit to. So, quit saying that about me, as it’s not true.
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Then, tell us.

What is the one baptism for today?

One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:5-6​

Surely it is Spirit that is through all, and in us all!

OT saints did not receive the indwelling Holy Spirit!

Grace and knowledge = growth.
 
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