The Teachings of Jesus (TOJ)
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God's will is stated in 1Tim. 2:3-4 & John 3:16, but souls must choose to cooperate in order to be saved,
and those who choose to disregard GW/reject God's Messiah are justly condemned (John 3:18, Rom. 1:20).
TOJ #26: You should not divorce. [Matt. 5:31-32a//Mark 10:11//Luke 16:18a] Jesus said that the only permissible reason for legal divorce is marital unfaithfulness or when the sin of spiritual divorce signified by adultery has already occurred. {Matt. 19:6-9//Mark 10:6-9} See TOJ #104 on the meaning of marriage.
The divine viewpoint, which all humans need to acquire, is that sexual intimacy should mean marriage, that divorce is a spiritual disaster before it leads to a legal dissolution, and that neither divorce nor a miserable marriage are moral options. This leaves only celibacy or a happy marriage as permissible alternatives.
>>>TOJ #104: Marriage is a spiritual union until death. [MT 19:4-6] The phrase about leaving one’s father and mother means that a man—and a woman—should be ready for marriage by attaining a sufficient degree of independence from their parents, both financial and psychological. They should be prepared to become parents themselves, even if they hope not to have a child for awhile, which means they should be rather spiritually mature, having the same love for each other as Christ has for His bride, the church.
The marital commitment is (or should be, cf. TOJ #109) signified by sexual union or becoming “one flesh” (GN 2:24), although it may be proper to fulfill legal and traditional expectations such as licenses and ceremonies for the purpose of avoiding being “a stumbling block to the weak” (1CR 8:9), who do not understand the essence of marriage. Obviously, that which must not be separated is the spiritual unity, so the sin of divorce also is a spiritual event and reality before it becomes a legal one. This realization should motivate spouses to work on the quality of their communication before serious problems develop in their relationship. (See TOJ #26.)
>>>TOJ #109: Do not commit adultery. [MT 19:18] Certainly, this teaching could be viewed as part of TOJ #24, but our society stresses (idolizes?) sexuality so much that it is needful to reiterate that sexual intercourse is the act of marriage in the eyes of God (TOJ #104), so that anyone who has sex with a second partner commits both fornication (extra-marital sex) and adultery.
Much of secular society (music, movies, etc.) normalizes (and almost requires via peer pressure) sexual sins (“playboys”, “responsible sex”, “alternative lifestyles”, etc.). Such morally weak people should hope someone invents a pill (called “Cold Shower”?) that diminishes their libido and temptation to be promiscuous! {MK 10:19, LK 18:20}
>>>TOP #90: Marriage is the right relationship for sexual intimacy. [1Cor. 7:1-5, 25-28 & 36-39] Jesus taught this truth in Matt. 19:4-6.
>>>TOP #91: Marriage is optional for those having the gift of celibacy. [1Cor. 7:6-9] Jesus affirmed the option of celibacy in Matt. 19:11-12.
>>>TOP #92: Believers must not divorce, although unbelievers cannot be forced to stay. [1Cor. 7:10-15] Jesus forbade divorce except for marital unfaithfulness in Matt. 19:8-9.
>>>TOP #123: Do not be yoked with unbelievers. [2Cor. 6:14] This applies not only to marriage but also to friendships as mentioned in TOP #112.
>>>TOP #174: Marriage is a man and woman leaving their parents and becoming one flesh. [Eph. 5:31] Paul compares the marital relationship to that of Christ and the church. Jesus taught this concept of marriage in Matt. 19:4-6, citing Gen. 2:24.
>>>TOP #233: Overseers and deacons of churches along with their wives must be mature Christians. [1Tim. 3:1-13, Tit. 1:5-9] The parameters cited by Paul include: monogamy, temperate, self-controlled, able to teach, hospitable, sober, peaceable, not a lover of money, able to manage his own family, not a recent convert and having a good reputation with nonbelievers.
>>>TOP #235: False teachings include forbidding marriage and abstaining from good food. [1Tim. 4:2-5, cf. TOP #227] The issue regarding food sacrificed to idols is TOP #96, but perhaps this teaching includes dietary restrictions Moses gave the Israelites, which Paul called “godless myths and old wives’ tales” (v.7).
When you get married you make a vow, because you may sin against your partner. Not that you want to, but you could.
And the vow you make for living with your partner is living with here through thick and thin for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer
Which means you can be married to a sinner.
Before hand if two people become one before marriage, them two people must become one, but they have become one as sinners.
Don't like putting a spanner in your works, but these are more understandings to being not equally yoked in sin
And it is interesting to note that Scripture refers to becoming one flesh as the act of marriage rather than having a ceremony.
Thus, the first time should mean marriage, otherwise it is fornication and then adultery in God's eyes.
That probably means becoming soul mates
Well, the ideal is to fall in love and mate with your soulmate.
I prayed for that to happen, and God granted my prayer. PTL!
My marriage followed in my parents' footsteps.
My prayer has been for my kids to find soulmates, but they have not and remain single.
I am torn between wishing them marital happiness and being grateful they are not divorced and single parents like so many.
Understood brother, what would do if your children never never asked your permission to sanction there marriage
Do you know about Isaac and Rebecca
Well, I never asked my parents for their permission to marry, but I dated so many years it was obvious they would approve.
As a chaplain I was asked to perform weddings without having the opportunity for premarital counselling, so I hoped for the best.
I guess I would have the same prayer if my kids eloped.
Its common practice here for children to have there parents bless there wedding, I guess when two people fall in love, it a hard choice not to say no.
Of course it was even the case that the parents should choose a wedding partner in marriage in Jewish tradition, how do you feel about that.
But what if you find something out, and at the wedding before there married the church leader says does anyone have any reason why these two should not be wed in holy matrimony
But isn't this how it shoukd be should you check to see if the marriage is lawful or valid
Again, ideally a young man will leave his parents and become employed with a wage that will support a wife and kids,
then he will wed a young soulmate with his parents' approval. When that does not happen, perhaps Acts 5:29 applies.
lol is that when you have to live in hope
The idea checking to see if the marriage is lawful or valid is to see if already married, the main reason or if there's something they've not told there partner.
As a parent you should have that right to check I believe.
Because you want your children to not get stuck in a a marriage that's going to ruin them.
So if we live by moral free will in this case and dont check this is where you could sanction your daughter to ruin
This is where living in his moral will is better
Not sure what J just said, so I will present another comparison of the TOJ with the TOP.
TOJ #27: Do not remarry except for godly reasons. [Matt. 5:32b//Mark 10:12//Luke 16:18b] Jesus probably prohibits remarriage in hope that reconciliation will occur, but understanding this statement as a blanket command that admits no exceptions is very problematic, because it would contradict other biblical teachings. Discerning whether spiritual remarriage is psychologically possible and legal remarriage morally permissible requires harmonizing several biblical passages:
We must assume God gives the gift of celibacy to such a person long enough to accomplish this goal, because He does not let people be tempted beyond what they can resist (1Cor. 10:13). However, if a second try is barely permissible, then serial “marriages” border on legalized lust, which is an abomination that mocks this sacred union. The serial sinner would do well to obey TOJ #24 & #26 or pray for the gift of permanent celibacy.
>>>TOP #90: Marriage is the right relationship for sexual intimacy. [1Cor. 7:1-5, 25-28 & 36-39] Jesus taught this truth in Matt. 19:4-6.
>>>TOP #91: Marriage is optional for those having the gift of celibacy. [1Cor. 7:6-9] Jesus affirmed the option of celibacy in Matt. 19:11-12.
>>>TOP #92: Believers must not divorce, although unbelievers cannot be forced to stay. [1Cor. 7:10-15] Jesus forbade divorce except for marital unfaithfulness in Matt. 19:8-9. Paul implies it is permissible to divorce a spouse who forsakes the marriage.
>>>TOP #95: This earthly existence is short and passing away, so unmarried believers are freer from concerns that might prevent undivided devotion to ministry for the Lord in the time remaining. [1Cor. 7:29-40] However, marriage and remarriage are not necessarily sinful. Paul did not address the question about whether a second marriage is permissible when reconciliation with the estranged spouse does not occur.
TOJ #27: Do not remarry except for godly reasons. [Matt. 5:32b//Mark 10:12//Luke 16:18b] Jesus probably prohibits remarriage in hope that reconciliation will occur, but understanding this statement as a blanket command that admits no exceptions is very problematic, because it would contradict other biblical teachings. Discerning whether spiritual remarriage is psychologically possible and legal remarriage morally permissible requires harmonizing several biblical passages:
- Divorce and even adultery are not unforgivable (Matt. 12:31-32),
- Not everyone has the gift of celibacy, the ability to live happily very long without a sexual partner (Matt.19:11-12, 1Cor. 7:9).
- We know that God desires reconciliation (1Cor. 7:10-11, 2Cor. 5:18-19),
- Paul indicated (in 1Cor. 7:15) that it is permissible for a Christian divorcee (unjustly so) to remarry if an unbelieving spouse was the divorcer (and, presumably, if reconciliation attempts have failed, because the “ex” has remarried or committed adultery/fornication).
- We also know that many sins including divorce are committed before a person believes the gospel and becomes a mature Believer by LGW and the TOJ. When people repent of Sin and confess their sins, then God forgives them (1John 1:9) and views them as sharing the perfection of Christ (Phil. 3:9).
We must assume God gives the gift of celibacy to such a person long enough to accomplish this goal, because He does not let people be tempted beyond what they can resist (1Cor. 10:13). However, if a second try is barely permissible, then serial “marriages” border on legalized lust, which is an abomination that mocks this sacred union. The serial sinner would do well to obey TOJ #24 & #26 or pray for the gift of permanent celibacy.
>>>TOP #90: Marriage is the right relationship for sexual intimacy. [1Cor. 7:1-5, 25-28 & 36-39] Jesus taught this truth in Matt. 19:4-6.
>>>TOP #91: Marriage is optional for those having the gift of celibacy. [1Cor. 7:6-9] Jesus affirmed the option of celibacy in Matt. 19:11-12.
>>>TOP #92: Believers must not divorce, although unbelievers cannot be forced to stay. [1Cor. 7:10-15] Jesus forbade divorce except for marital unfaithfulness in Matt. 19:8-9. Paul implies it is permissible to divorce a spouse who forsakes the marriage.
>>>TOP #95: This earthly existence is short and passing away, so unmarried believers are freer from concerns that might prevent undivided devotion to ministry for the Lord in the time remaining. [1Cor. 7:29-40] However, marriage and remarriage are not necessarily sinful. Paul did not address the question about whether a second marriage is permissible when reconciliation with the estranged spouse does not occur.
TOJ #28: Be trustworthy. [Matt. 5:33-37] This TOJ against swearing concerns a person’s reputation for integrity. Oaths should not be necessary to bind a promise. {Matt. 23:16-22, cf. Nathanael in John 1:47}
>>>The only statement by Paul that seems related to this TOJ is when Paul wrote, "I assure you before God that what I am writing
is no lie" (Gal. 1:20). Beyond that perhaps TOP on lying such as #158 & 161 could be cited:
>>>TOP #158: Spiritual maturity is manifested by speaking the truth in love. [Eph. 4:14-16] This is contrasted with the sinful lifestyles of many Gentiles (4:17&19).
>>>TOP #161: Christians must speak the truth. [Eph. 4:25a] The reason Paul gives for this teaching is because they are members of one body (v.25b). This is a nuance akin to TOP #158.
>>>The only statement by Paul that seems related to this TOJ is when Paul wrote, "I assure you before God that what I am writing
is no lie" (Gal. 1:20). Beyond that perhaps TOP on lying such as #158 & 161 could be cited:
>>>TOP #158: Spiritual maturity is manifested by speaking the truth in love. [Eph. 4:14-16] This is contrasted with the sinful lifestyles of many Gentiles (4:17&19).
>>>TOP #161: Christians must speak the truth. [Eph. 4:25a] The reason Paul gives for this teaching is because they are members of one body (v.25b). This is a nuance akin to TOP #158.