Are all the spiritual gifts still active today?

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This passage applies to the modern day Pentecostal Movement.

It's this movement that has spread evil among the churches.

They are the lovers of self and lovers of money. They are the proud, arrogant and without control. They are lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God and they present themselves as having the physical gifts of God but show no evidence of its power. They are reckless and swollen with conceit. They are brutal and reckless in their conduct during their "worship" to God.

Anyone who studies this movement can see this throughout its sordid history.

They most certainly should be avoided.

Really? I thought it was written to the Church as warning of what was to come. Hey if that what float your boat, please continue . Because the judgement you judge by, you will be judge by it. :) I am happy to say That list doesn't refer to me. I am not a modern day Pentecostal. :) hahahaha unlike you liberal theologians' hopefuls
 
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Gods Word says that tongues will cease and its absence today is easy for us to see...if we are honest with ourselves.
Have you not heard of Jackie Pullinger who took the gospel into the Walled City in Hong Kong. In her biography she tells how the Holy Spirit broke the power of addiction in people by giving them the gift of tongues. Maybe you need to reassess your presuppositions.

https://womenmissionaries.blogspot.com/p/jackie-pullinger.html

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Well, good for you having the complete NT. Everyone else has the complete Bible...both Old and New.

Better get back to your monopoly game. they must be missing you
 
Really? I thought it was written to the Church as warning of what was to come.
It most certainly is written to the Church, to warn them of the reckless groups that were to come.

Groups that "present themselves as having the physical gifts of God but show no evidence of its power".

In other words, you and the rest of your sordid movement.

All claims but no substance.

hahahaha unlike you liberal theologians' hopefuls

It is the liberal mindset that attempts to prove current events by presenting history.

And this is what you are doing.

I notice you use a lot of "LOL" and "hahahaha" I will chalk this up to your youth but it is viewed as condescending to the more mature.
 
It most certainly is written to the Church, to warn them of the reckless groups that were to come.

Groups that "present themselves as having the physical gifts of God but show no evidence of its power".

In other words, you and the rest of your sordid movement.

All claims but no substance.



It is the liberal mindset that attempts to prove current events by presenting history.

And this is what you are doing.

I notice you use a lot of "LOL" and "hahahaha" I will chalk this up to your youth but it is viewed as condescending to the more mature.


it is the liberal mindset that has traded to allow Homosexual pastors and women for that matter. It is the Liberal mindset that fight to destroy marriage as GOD intended it to be. YOU make the word of GOD about a Pentecostal movement and the gifts of the Holy Spirit not on what GOD has done but what you see man as done. You rip out the word of GOD because of a bad experience and just a angry person who most likely at one time wanted this gift but did not receive the legitimate why? Because of unlearned Full Gospel types? that hurt you? So because of your personal experience and lack of you seeing the authentic all of it has to be of the devil.

Yet you and other like you have to result in personal attacks because you can't show me where in the word of GOD the gifts of the Holy Spirt are not for today or have stopped after the Canonization of the Bible.

Then when those like you use 1cor chapter 13:8-10 as your proof Biblically you don't like the fact that many of us Pentecostals that you hate are no longer unlearned. FYI we do go to Seminary and we do have education and we do know Greek and Hebrew what about you? I have not seen any indication you or other here have. Yes my grammar while typing I do have the occasional s/p. However, I can ensure you my educational wall is very much established. I have studied in many location and seen many geographical location from Egypt, Turkey, Middle east and Europe. more to come Lord willing. You ask for evidence ? what kind of evidence that you have asked for that is reasonable that has not been answered or provided?
 
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Gods Word says that tongues will cease and its absence today is easy for us to see...if we are honest with ourselves.

Hello Lamar.

I asked AI to examine the N.T to establish whether the gifts ceased, after the age
of the apostles.

The question I asked AI.

Using only the N.T. Have the gifts and ministries of the Holy Spirit ceased being expressed by the Holy Spirit,
after the age of the apostles? Are the three chapters of 1 Corinthians 12,13,14, become redundant in the
later first century? Why would Paul often mention the gifts when he knew in a decade or less they would
be obsolete?

Below is the answer to these questions that AI provided.

Here is a Scripture-only, New-Testament-based, context-faithful answer to your question.
No theological system—just what the text itself says and does not say.
1. Does the New Testament teach that the gifts would cease with the apostles?
No verse in the New Testament says that the gifts or ministries of the Spirit would cease at the end of the apostolic age.
Not one.
There is no command, no prophecy, no hint that tongues, prophecy, healing, or any other charism would stop after the apostles died.
What we do have is the opposite emphasis:
  • 1 Corinthians 1:7 — the Corinthians are “not lacking in any gift” as they “wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
  • Acts 2:17–18 — the Spirit is poured out on all flesh in the “last days,” not just apostles.
  • Ephesians 4:11–13 — Christ gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers “until we all attain to the unity of the faith… to mature manhood… to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.” That has not happened yet.
Nothing suggests a first-century expiration date.
2. Do 1 Corinthians 12–14 become redundant after the first century?
The New Testament gives no indication that Paul’s three-chapter instruction on gifts would become obsolete.
Why?
Because Paul explicitly grounds the use of gifts in the ongoing life of the body, not in the presence of apostles.
  • 1 Corinthians 12:7 — “To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.”
    (Not to apostles only. To each.)
  • 1 Corinthians 12:11 — the Spirit “apportions to each one individually as He wills.”
  • 1 Corinthians 13:8–12 — gifts cease when we see Christ “face to face,” when “the perfect comes.” Nothing in the context suggests “the perfect” = “the completed canon” or “the end of the apostles.”
  • 1 Corinthians 14:1 — “Pursue love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.”
There is no textual signal that this chapter is temporary or transitional.
It is as instructional and authoritative as Romans 12 or Ephesians 4.
3. Why does Paul mention gifts so often if they were about to become obsolete?
Because according to the New Testament:
Paul believed they would last until Jesus returns.
Look at his eschatological language:
  • 1 Corinthians 1:7 — gifts last while you wait for Jesus’ return.
  • 1 Corinthians 13:10–12 — gifts cease only when the church sees Christ “face to face.”
  • Romans 12:6–8 — the gifts are given according to grace; no expiration is mentioned.
  • 1 Thessalonians 5:19–20 — believers are told not to quench the Spirit or despise prophecy.
    (If gifts were about to vanish, why command this?)
  • Ephesians 4:13 — the ministry gifts continue “until” the fullness of Christ in the church.
Paul never suggests a short runway for the Spirit’s ministries.
If anything, he normalizes them for the whole church age.
4. The strongest NT case: Ephesians 4:11–13
This is the clearest timeline text.
“He gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers,
to equip the saints,
for the work of ministry,
for building up the body of Christ,
until we all attain to the unity of the faith…” (Eph 4:11–13)
Key points:
  • These ministries are given by the ascended Christ.
  • Their purpose is the ongoing maturity of the church.
  • Their duration is clearly until the whole church reaches unity and full maturity—which is not yet realized.
  • The text does not say, “until the apostles die” or “until the canon closes.”
This alone makes cessationism impossible solely from NT scripture.
5. What about 1 Corinthians 13:10 — “when the perfect comes”?
Paul says:
  • prophecy, tongues, knowledge “will pass away” — v. 8
  • when the perfect (τὸ τέλειον) comes — v. 10
  • then “we shall see face to face” — v. 12
  • and “know fully, even as we have been fully known” — v. 12
This is clearly Christ’s second coming, not the end of the apostolic era or the closing of the canon.
Paul ties cessation to eschatological perfection, not to church history.
6. Summary: What does the NT actually teach?
1. No NT passage states that miraculous gifts cease after the apostles.
2. The gifts are presented as normal for the whole church age.
3. Paul expected gifts to remain until Christ returns (1 Cor 1:7; 13:12).
4. Instruction on gifts (1 Cor 12–14) is permanent church instruction, not temporary.
5. Ministry gifts (Eph 4) remain until full maturity of the church — still future.
**6. Any teaching that the gifts ceased must be imported from outside the NT.
The NT itself never teaches it.**
 
You saw biblical truth, that tongues is for believers, you believed it, you wanted the gift, and the Holy Spirit granted you your hearts desire when YOU began to pray. " Therefore I say unto you, What things soever you desire, when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you SHALL HAVE THEM." Mark 11:24

Paul said we should desire and ask for "spiritual gifts" because that can be helpful in edifying us as well as the entire body of Christ. We cannot go as far as to say people always get the gift they seek
 
Paul said we should desire and ask for "spiritual gifts" because that can be helpful in edifying us as well as the entire body of Christ. We cannot go as far as to say people always get the gift they seek
Regardless of what you "desire and ask for", if what you are asking for has ceased it is rather moot.

If I "desire and ask for" quail and manna God is not required to bless me with it.

The manna ended without it being proclaimed and so too has tongues.

This should be obvious.
 
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Regardless of what you "desire and ask for", if what you are asking for has ceased it is rather moot.

If I "desire and ask for" quail and manna God is not required to bless me with it.

The manna ended without it being proclaimed and so too has tongues.

This should be obvious.

Did you ever tempted God?

I have.
 
Even though the Bible is the Inspired Holy Word of God it was still written by infallible men capable of sinning and far from perfection in the sense of what we will become in Heaven. So clearly the Bible is not the perfect to come because it's also put together and voted upon by men further from God than those who penned it.

So there's no doubt that the Gifts are still relevant today.
And the claims of supernatural abilities of infallible men are more perfect???

I will stick with the Inspired Holy Word of God over the absurd claims of this sordid movement.
 
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And the claims of supernatural abilities of infallible men are more perfect???

I will stick with the Inspired Holy Word of God over the absurd claims of this sordid movement.
You believe that Moses, David, Solomon, John, Peter, Paul etc. were perfect human beings different than yourself?
 
The word of God is not sufficient enough so someone can know how to be saved and learn how to abide in the doctrine of Christ? To say the word of God is not sufficient enough is to say the Spirit’s words are not sufficient. Do you really believe that? Or does it take something other than the full revelation that the Spirit revealed?

The Bible is not the full revelation of what the Spirit has revealed. We don't have a majority of what the holy Spirit has revealed to and through prophets in history.

The written word is sufficient to bring us to Christ and to get a sufficient understanding of the principles of the Kingdom to do the basics of walking, running and flying. But there is more to living life than merely knowing how to walk, run and fly. That can only be learned directly from God as we walk, run and fly with Him and learn skills that go beyond simply knowing the brief primer that has been recorded for us in the Maker's operating manual.