The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Soyeong]

The 10 commandments is the covenant which are spiritual laws not physical laws.

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

The Bible notably doesn't say anything about any of God's laws being spiritual laws rather than physical laws. Changing the medium upon which the Law of God is written from on stone to our hearts does not change the content of what they instruct us to do. For example, the law to honor our parents written on stone has the same content as the law to honor our parents written on our hearts.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of God while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

If a person is led of the Spirit the law is written on their heart so they would obey the spiritual laws of God.

Which the 10 commandments are spiritual laws for they are moral laws, laws of love.

And love is the fulfilling of the law.

It has always been about obeying the spiritual laws and without that there is no salvation.

Which Paul said we do not void out law through faith but we establish the law.

Which means we live up to the law.

And Paul said the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good which are the moral laws, laws of love.

And love is the fulfilling of the law.

Which the 10 commandments are moral laws, laws of love.

All of the laws of God are moral laws of love, not just ten of them.

There was physical laws because it was a physical covenant with physical blessings.

In the New Testament it is a spiritual covenant which we obey the spiritual laws and not the physical laws.

In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting His law in our mins and writing it on our hearts and it doesn't specify anything about just the spiritual and not the physical laws.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus took the physical ordinances away nailing them to His cross for they had no bearing on spiritual salvation.

But He did not take away the moral laws, laws of love.

In Matthew 27:37, they nailed a handwritten ordinance to Christ's cross that announced the charge that was against him that he was the King of the Jews. This fits perfect with the concept of the list of the charges that were against us being nailed to Christ's cross instead and with him dying our our place to pay the penalty for our sins but has nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross. In Titus 2:14, it doesn't say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the physical laws but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

We can receive the Spirit which gives us the power to obey the moral laws, laws of love.

Love is the fulfilling of the law which means all moral laws, laws of love have to be obeyed.

They cannot be ignored for then you do not love.

Which the 10 commandments are laws of love to not offend God and not offend people.

Again, 1 John 5:2-3 does not specify that it is only speaking about spiritual commandments, but rather all of God's commandments were graciously given in order to teach us how to love Him.

 

[Soyeong]

Paul called the 10 Commandments glorious, but a ministry of death and condemnation.

Why? Because he understood NO ONE could keep those Laws. That is the ENTIRE reason Christ had to come and die for us.

Are WE better than the Jews that couldn't keep those Laws for thousands of years? Sounds pretty arrogant to me.


2 Corinthians 3:7-10

New King James Version

Glory of the New Covenant
7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.

The Law of God is a ministry to death and condemnation for those who refuse to submit to it. In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to the righteousness that is by faith proclaiming that the Law of God is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that no one could keep. Moreover, there are many examples of people in the Bible who did keep the Law of God such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.

 

[soulprobe]

The answer to your question seems very obvious to you and me but I would not expect a yes or no answer from these folks. They are too slippery.

They all should be asked this question. If they can't give a simple yes or no answer then they shouldn't be teaching Christians to do this.

 

[Soyeong]

All those examples are correct and a beautiful display of Elohim's law. All fulfilled by HOSHUA Mashiach. We are under grace but if you prefer to step outside the covenant of 'grace' and place yourself under the Law. Fair well.

In Romans 6-8, Paul said that the Law of God is good, that he wanted to do good, that he delighted in obeying it, and that he served it with his mind in contrast with the law of isn, which was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which he served with his flesh, which held him captive, and which the Law of the Spirit has freed us from. The Law of God leads us to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5). Verses that refer to something that would be absurd to delight in doing should not be interpreted as referring to the Law of God while verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin. For example, in Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over him and to would be absurd for Paul to delight in sin having dominion over him, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful but how we know what sin is, so we are still under the Law of God. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 contrasts these two directions by speaking in favor of obedience to the Law of God and against sin.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone and this is why those who are under grace are not permitted to sin.

 

[PennEd]

The Law of God is a ministry to death and condemnation for those who refuse to submit to it.

NO ONE can follow it perfectly. Those that say they can are liars.

The rich young ruler claimed he did. And we know how that worked out for him.

It’s always a case where the perfect standard of God is lowered with the sinless perfectionists.

 

[GWH]

The whole argument against the fourth commandment begins with a misunderstanding. Jesus never fought the Sabbath. He corrected the Pharisees because they had added heavy rules that God never gave. This is the meaning of His words in Matthew 5:17–20. He did not come to destroy the Law. He came to fulfill it and to restore its true meaning. The Pharisees held the Levitical traditions, but Jesus returned the people to the heart of God’s commandments, which includes the Sabbath that God blessed from the beginning. The problem was never the Sabbath. The problem was the way the Pharisees twisted it.

Every story where Jesus healed on the Sabbath shows the same truth. He never broke the commandment. He broke the man-made additions that stole mercy from the people. When He defended His disciples in Matthew 12:1–8, He was not removing the Sabbath. He was showing that the Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. When He healed the man in Matthew 12:12–14 and the man in Mark 3:4–6, He showed that doing good is lawful on the Sabbath. The Pharisees were angry because their traditions were exposed. They hated the mercy of God, not the Sabbath itself.

The same happened in Luke 13:10–17 when Jesus healed the crippled woman, and in Luke 14:1–6 when He healed another man. He asked simple questions that revealed their own hypocrisy, because they themselves worked on the Sabbath to rescue an animal but condemned mercy toward a suffering person. In John 5:1–18 and John 9:1–34 the leaders again accused Him of breaking the Sabbath, but Jesus explained that His Father was working and He was working, meaning that the Sabbath is a day filled with God’s compassion. They hated this mercy, and this is why they sought to kill Him. They did not kill Him for breaking the fourth commandment. They killed Him because His goodness uncovered their sin.

The claim that Jesus never taught the Sabbath or that the fourth commandment is not eternal ignores His own example. He kept the Sabbath, taught its meaning, called Himself Lord of the Sabbath, and corrected the false traditions that had blinded the people. The idea that the Sabbath was only a Levitical law does not stand, because the Sabbath was given before Levi was even born. It was blessed at creation. It was written by God’s own hand. It was given as a gift for all people, not as a temporary shadow. Jesus’ new command to love one another stands with the Sabbath because love fulfills all commandments, not replaces them.

I told you before, even the disciples honored the Sabbath after the resurrection. And none of their writings ever say that Jesus removed the fourth commandment. When Paul is quoted to deny the commandment, his words are taken outside the teaching of Jesus. Jesus is the highest authority. Jesus kept the Sabbath. Jesus taught the Sabbath. Jesus said it was made for mankind. No apostle ever changed His words.

Now here are the verses that give the clear proof. In Genesis 2:2–3 God blessed the seventh day and made it holy. In Exodus 20:8–11 God commanded the Sabbath, saying to remember it and keep it holy, because He rested on that day and blessed it. Before Sinai, in Exodus 16:4 and in verses 22–30, God said the Sabbath was a test of faithfulness. Jesus then kept the Sabbath in Luke 4:16. He taught its true meaning in Matthew 12:1–12, Mark 2:27–28, Luke 6:5–9, and John 7:22–24. He healed on the Sabbath in John 5:1–18 and John 9:1–34 as works of mercy that honor the commandment rather than break it. In all these verses Jesus protects the fourth commandment and shows that it is still holy. It is also the only commandment spoken with a blessing inside it, because God Himself blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.

The claim tyou made that Jesus never taught anyone to keep the fourth commandment falls apart as soon as we look at His own life and words. He kept the Sabbath, taught the Sabbath, explained the Sabbath, and called Himself Lord of the Sabbath. He showed people how to honor it by doing good and removing human traditions, not by canceling God’s command. Saying it is not an eternal moral law ignores that God blessed it at creation before Israel existed and wrote it with His own finger. And using Paul against Jesus is a grave mistake, because Paul never had the authority to cancel what the Lord established. The truth is simple. Jesus honored His Father’s Sabbath, taught its meaning, and lived it without sin, and no argument that denies this can stand.

Actually it is rather a simple Commandment to follow, the prophet Isaiah gave proper instructions to follow the sabbath, Jesus magnified it to add acts of kindness and Mercy.

Isaiah 58:13–14, NKJV

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
from doing your pleasure on My holy day,
and call the Sabbath a delight,
the holy day of the Lord honorable,
and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
nor finding your own pleasure,
nor speaking your own words,
then you shall delight yourself in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”​

I see it is hard for you to kick against the goads of GW.
Yes, Jesus fulfilled the spirit of Sabbath and taught that God desires mercy/love, not sacrifice/Levitical law.
God created the Sabbath and other Levitical laws for the purpose of creating the Jews through whom Messiah
would bless everyone who accepts Him as Lord.
Thus, OT pronouncements regarding the Sabbath must be amended with what Jesus did and inspired Paul to write in Col. 2:16.
Paul (probably) cited the spiritual significance of the Sabbath in Heb. 4:1-11: rest from seeking salvation via obeying the law
and instead believe the Gospel.
Actually, the Sabbath law is a simple law to enforce by execution of those who break it (Exo. 31:14-15).
However, the purpose of the Sabbath, worshipping/serving the Lord (Rom. 12:1), should be done every day of the week.
Have a blessed day--every day!

"The former regulation [Levitical law per Heb. 7:11] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."
(Hebrews 7:18a & 22b, cf. Matt. 22:37-40 & John 13:34-35).

 

[vassal]

So you are teaching that Christ the Judge will throw all Christians who do not rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset into the lake of fire? Yes or no.

you and only you are saying this I never said anything like this

 

[PennEd]

you and only you are saying this I never said anything like this

Anything like what?

He asked you a question.

Will those who neglect to keep the Sabbath be tossed into hell?

 

[mailmandan]

The cerimonial law was given and added to at different times to the 10 commandments.. they are different laws. The 10 commandments are not the same as the cerimonial laws. The cerimonial laws contained the burnt offerings but the 10 commandments did not contain burnt offerings

SDA's who teach "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" also make that same argument which raises a red flag. Burnt offerings were a required part of keeping the sabbath day holy, as commanded by God to the Israelites under the old covenant of law.

Numbers 28:9 - “On the Sabbath day, two male lambs a year old without blemish, and two tenths of an ephah of fine flour for a grain offering, mixed with oil, and its drink offering: 10 this is the burnt offering of every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering and its drink offering.

Ezekial 46:4 - The burnt offering that the prince offers to the Lord on the Sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish... 12 Now when the prince makes a voluntary burnt offering or voluntary peace offering to the Lord, the gate that faces toward the east shall then be opened for him; and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings as he did on the Sabbath day. Then he shall go out, and after he goes out the gate shall be shut.

One describes sin = the 10...
One is the process to deal with sin.

The Mosaic law is presented as a single, unified legal system given to the nation of Israel.

Don't put them in the same category...

Don't slice and dice the Mosaic law.

There were sabbaths in the cerimonial laws but they are not the seventh day sabbath in the 4th commandment.

There were ceremonial laws that were a part of keeping the sabbath day. Trying to dissect them from the Mosaic law does not change this fact. Also, burnt offerings for the sabbaths include the weekly sabbath day.

Firstly what God makes holy and sanctified is not for man to change...
Where did the holy sanctified blessing put on the seventh day sabbath get removed in the bible?

The blessing and sanctification of the seventh day has not been removed but instead have been preserved as a perpetual sign of God's rest and completion. (Genesis 2:2-3)

When are we told in the new Testament or in the new covenant not to obey the 4th commandment.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Now show me where the Church, the body of Christ is specifically commanded to keep the sabbath day under the new covenant.

esus said that He is the Lord of the sabbath, and that the sabbath was made for man... all mankind.

Mar 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus said, "the Sabbath was made for man," not all mankind. When Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind, He clearly offers it to all. Yet the Israelites are of mankind. Again, the disciples had not broken God’s law, they merely violated the Pharisees’ own legalistic, interpretation of the law. Jesus reminded the Pharisees of the original intent of the Sabbath rest.

The Sabbath was not given to all the nations. It was given to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - "Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses." Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The Word of God makes it clear that Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: "The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested." (Exodus 31:16-17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath.

When did Jesus stop being the Lord of the sabbath and when did the bible say it was not made for man??

Jesus is Lord of all and made for man does not mean ALL mankind but for the Israelites who are of mankind.

Read the follow verse honestly please...

Heb 4:3-11 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The context is talking about the seventh day rest. The rest in Jesus is entered every day, but this is talking about a specific day and gives the example of creation sabbath.

Hebrews 4:9 - There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Everyone should take note that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible. I often hear SDA's suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

Although for centuries the Jews had found their physical rest in a day, the New Covenant takes the focus off the shadows of the Old Testament signs and rituals and reveals their spiritual substance -- the fulfillment/reality—in the person of Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) Christians find complete "sabbatismos" rest in Jesus Christ and not in law keeping.

 

[vassal]

I see it is hard for you to kick against the goads of GW.
Yes, Jesus fulfilled the spirit of Sabbath and taught that God desires mercy/love, not sacrifice/Levitical law.
God created the Sabbath and other Levitical laws for the purpose of creating the Jews through whom Messiah
would bless everyone who accepts Him as Lord.
Thus, OT pronouncements regarding the Sabbath must be amended with what Jesus did and inspired Paul to write in Col. 2:16.
Paul (probably) cited the spiritual significance of the Sabbath in Heb. 4:1-11: rest from seeking salvation via obeying the law
and instead believe the Gospel.
Actually, the Sabbath law is a simple law to enforce by execution of those who break it (Exo. 31:14-15).
However, the purpose of the Sabbath, worshipping/serving the Lord (Rom. 12:1), should be done every day of the week.
Have a blessed day--every day!

"The former regulation [Levitical law per Heb. 7:11] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."
(Hebrews 7:18a & 22b, cf. Matt. 22:37-40 & John 13:34-35).

so in essence, from what you write here you place Paul's words before Jesus and the priginal discilples. The fourth as I mentioned is NOT a levetical Law, it is you how decide do place it there Not GOD.

How conveniently you missed Exodus 31 verse 16 saying" ;
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant."

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

All this in exodus about the sabbath if part of the ten commandments and are the covenant.

the others sabbath like I explained to you that were added were the ones I gave you the list before are part of the levetical laws it is not the same as the weekly sabbath part of the ten commandments

what you forget is that Revelation shows that in the last days God’s true people will keep the commandments of God, and the Sabbath stands inside those commandments written by God’s own finger. Revelation 14:12 says the saints keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and Revelation 12:17 says the dragon makes war against the people who keep God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Revelation 11:19 shows the ark of the covenant in heaven, which holds the commandments including the Sabbath command, and this is a sign that God’s covenant still stands. Revelation 22:14 says that those who do His commandments have the right to the tree of life. Since the Sabbath is one of the covenant commandments, Revelation shows that God’s faithful people in the last days will honor the Sabbath as part of keeping His commandments.

God never lies, GOD does not change. the covenant, that are the Ten Commandment is a perpetual covenant.

 

[GWH]

so in essence, from what you write here you place Paul's words before Jesus and the priginal discilples. The fourth as I mentioned is NOT a levetical Law, it is you how decide do place it there Not GOD.

How conveniently you missed Exodus 31 verse 16 saying" ;
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant."

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

All this in exodus about the sabbath if part of the ten commandments and are the covenant.

the others sabbath like I explained to you that were added were the ones I gave you the list before are part of the levetical laws it is not the same as the weekly sabbath part of the ten commandments

what you forget is that Revelation shows that in the last days God’s true people will keep the commandments of God, and the Sabbath stands inside those commandments written by God’s own finger. Revelation 14:12 says the saints keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and Revelation 12:17 says the dragon makes war against the people who keep God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Revelation 11:19 shows the ark of the covenant in heaven, which holds the commandments including the Sabbath command, and this is a sign that God’s covenant still stands. Revelation 22:14 says that those who do His commandments have the right to the tree of life. Since the Sabbath is one of the covenant commandments, Revelation shows that God’s faithful people in the last days will honor the Sabbath as part of keeping His commandments.

God never lies, GOD does not change. the covenant, that are the Ten Commandment is a perpetual covenant.

I agree with mail's post #189, and I believe Paul was inspired by Jesus, which apparently you do not.
Neither do you believe the NT ended/amended the "perpetual" OC with the Gospel of salvation via faith, not obeying OC laws.
I believe Jesus inspired Paul to warn you against reverting to OC legalism (Gal. 1:6-9).
The command/work of God is to believe in Messiah (John 6:29, cf. Deut. 18:18-19).
There you have it from Jesus himself; now go in peace!

 

[vassal]

I agree with mail's post #189, and I believe Paul was inspired by Jesus, which apparently you do not.
Neither do you believe the NT ended/amended the "perpetual" OC with the Gospel of salvation via faith, not obeying OC laws.
I believe Jesus inspired Paul to warn you against reverting to OC legalism (Gal. 1:6-9).
The command/work of God is to believe in Messiah (John 6:29, cf. Deut. 18:18-19).
There you have it from Jesus himself; now go in peace!

Again you insuniate wrongly i did say paul is not inspired, yes he was inspired I know. I did prove to you Paul was sepeaking of these extra sabbaths part of the levetical laws not the sabbath command part of the covenant.

It is for you who go against scripture to prove to me the sabbath command was annulled . Your previous attempts only show your lack of knowledge concerning scripture, READ MORE!

it will be an impossible task because they all followed the sabbath command, Paul and Jesus did, it is fully documented.

when you speak against the sabbath Command, you speak against the Covenant, the Ten Commandments and it also means you do not believe what Jesus says clearly;

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15)
if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.(mat 19:17)

Luke 6:46
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?”[/QUOTE]

 

[Soyeong]

NO ONE can follow it perfectly. Those that say they can are liars.

The rich young ruler claimed he did. And we know how that worked out for him.

It’s always a case where the perfect standard of God is lowered with the sinless perfectionists.

There is a huge difference between the claim that no one can keep the Law of God and the claim that no one can keep it perfectly and the rich young ruler did not claim to have kept it perfectly. The Law of God came with instructions for what to do when someone has sinned, so someone can continue to keep the law blamelessly even after they have not had perfect obedience, which is something that Paul claimed to have done (Philippians 3). Repentance doesn’t change the fact that we have not had perfect obedience, so if we needed to have perfect obedience for some strange reason, then repentance wouldn’t do us any good, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience. We can’t earn our righteousness, justification, salvation, or eternal life as a wage even as the result of perfect obedience, so the only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.

 

[vassal]

Anything like what?

He asked you a question.

Will those who neglect to keep the Sabbath be tossed into hell?

anything like what he wrote and I quote "So you are teaching that Christ the Judge will throw all Christians who do not rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset into the lake of fire? "
and yes I did reply to this false accusation.

 

[vassal]

There is a huge difference between the claim that no one can keep the Law of God and the claim that no one can keep it perfectly and the rich young ruler did not claim to have kept it perfectly. The Law of God came with instructions for what to do when someone has sinned, so someone can continue to keep the law blamelessly even after they have not had perfect obedience, which is something that Paul claimed to have done (Philippians 3). Repentance doesn’t change the fact that we have not had perfect obedience, so if we needed to have perfect obedience for some strange reason, then repentance wouldn’t do us any good, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that we are not required to have perfect obedience. We can’t earn our righteousness, justification, salvation, or eternal life as a wage even as the result of perfect obedience, so the only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.

perfect answer, I wish I could write like you.

Blessings

 

[PennEd]

the rich young ruler did not claim to have kept it perfectly.

Oh no?

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Since ONLY Jesus kept the Law in the fullest, ALWAYS, why didn't the rich young ruler tell Him to move over, there needs to be ANOTHER Throne next to yours?

Really quite sad that Judaizers, cannot see that Jesus said it wasn't about keeping the Law, He was talking was about the heart.
This lesson from Jesus SHREDS the "I no longer sin" nonsense.

Sinless perfectionists never like to talk about their sins of omission. How many have sold everything they own and given to the poor? Are they offering their dwelling to homeless and strangers? Do they do these type things perfectly, all day, EVERY day?

They sicken me by dragging God down to their level!

 

[PennEd]

anything like what he wrote and I quote "So you are teaching that Christ the Judge will throw all Christians who do not rest from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset into the lake of fire? "
and yes I did reply to this false accusation.

That wasn't an accusation. That was a question that you, VERY TELLINGLY, refuse to answer.

Will God toss into hell those that do not keep the Sabbath?

 

[Soyeong]

Oh no?

20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Since ONLY Jesus kept the Law in the fullest, ALWAYS, why didn't the rich young ruler tell Him to move over, there needs to be ANOTHER Throne next to yours?

Really quite sad that Judaizers, cannot see that Jesus said it wasn't about keeping the Law, He was talking was about the heart.
This lesson from Jesus SHREDS the "I no longer sin" nonsense.

Sinless perfectionists never like to talk about their sins of omission. How many have sold everything they own and given to the poor? Are they offering their dwelling to homeless and strangers? Do they do these type things perfectly, all day, EVERY day?

They sicken me by dragging God down to their level!

If someone has already committed at least one sin, then they can no longer become perfect in the sense of becoming someone who has never sinned, so you are equivocating. In Matthew 5:43-48. there would be no point in Jesus telling a group of people who have already sinned that they need to be perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect in the sense that they need to be sinless, but rather he was speaking about being perfect in the sense of being whole, full, complete, or refined where they didn’t just love those who loved them but also loved their enemies. Jesus was not saying that if only the rich young ruler had given away what he owned, then he would have been qualified to give himself to pay for the sins of the world, but rather Jesus was telling him what more he could do to be more refined.

The position of the Judaizers was that Gentiles need to become circumcised in order to become saved and I am incomplete agreement with Paul against that position, so I am na Judaizer. In Exodus 20:6, God wanted His children love him and obey His commandments, so obedience to God’s commandments has always been a matter of the heart.

 

[Soyeong]

That wasn't an accusation. That was a question that you, VERY TELLINGLY, refuse to answer.

Will God toss into hell those that do not keep the Sabbath?

There Bible doesn’t start whether refusing to obey one of God’s commands is sufficient to send someone to Hell and I am not the judge of what God will do, but I do know that we will be much better off if we obey God’s commands.

 

[GWH]

Again you insuniate wrongly i did say paul is not inspired, yes he was inspired I know. I did prove to you Paul was sepeaking of these extra sabbaths part of the levetical laws not the sabbath command part of the covenant.

It is for you who go against scripture to prove to me the sabbath command was annulled . Your previous attempts only show your lack of knowledge concerning scripture, READ MORE!

it will be an impossible task because they all followed the sabbath command, Paul and Jesus did, it is fully documented.

when you speak against the sabbath Command, you speak against the Covenant, the Ten Commandments and it also means you do not believe what Jesus says clearly;

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (john 14:15)
if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.(mat 19:17)

Luke 6:46
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?”

[/QUOTE]

At this point in discussions, vassal, in order for them not to become endless arguments I say that I bet
my understanding is closer to correct than yours and will see you in heaven to collect, so happy trails until then!

P.S. "The former regulation [Levitical law per Heb. 7:11] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."
(Hebrews 7:18a & 22b, cf. Matt. 22:37-40 & John 13:34-35).