Loss of salvation???

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That’s what I thought. So, you and a handful of others are the only ones who are able to understand the Bible correctly, while for hundreds or thousands of years, people did not. Got it.

Goodbye.

Not a very grown-up way to respond to Scripture that revealed the trouble with Greek would you not say...of course if you just read in the goofed-up Greek, it is clear as mud what Christ was saying about doing what the Pharisee said to do right?

Mathew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

In the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts this verse says "to do whatever Moses says to do"

Greek lens = me centric
Hebrew lens = Christ centric
 
Who's AI here?

Clear winner here!!

Mathew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

In the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts this verse says "to do whatever Moses says to do"

You get a skewed wrong idea from the Greek here would you not say? AND you get what Christ actually said in the Hebrew.

Salvation from the abstract me centric Greek NT lens is based on your response, your (continued) faithfulness, Belief and loyalty...the New Covenant was provided because we are faithless...He is Faithfull.

The Hebraic NT lens has the onus on our Kinsman Redeemer who ALONE provided Atonement for ungodly men, so they now stand Justified by the works of Christ on the cross and His free gift of Atonement (Justification). If your salvation depends on you at any time you are screwed...BUT the Good News it's Not; it hinges on the Finished work of Christ and His righteousness imputed to us.

Those He Justified He Will Glorify...

Our Eternal Salvation:

Greek lens = me centric
Hebrew lens = Christ centric
 
Clear winner here!!

Mathew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

In the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts this verse says "to do whatever Moses says to do"

You get a skewed wrong idea from the Greek here would you not say? AND you get what Christ actually said in the Hebrew.

Salvation from the abstract me centric Greek NT lens is based on your response, your (continued) faithfulness, Belief and loyalty...the New Covenant was provided because we are faithless...He is Faithfull.

The Hebraic NT lens has the onus on our Kinsman Redeemer who ALONE provided Atonement for ungodly men, so they now stand Justified by the works of Christ on the cross and His free gift of Atonement (Justification). If your salvation depends on you at any time you are screwed...BUT the Good News it's Not; it hinges on the Finished work of Christ and His righteousness imputed to us.

Those He Justified He Will Glorify...

Our Eternal Salvation:

Greek lens = me centric
Hebrew lens = Christ centric

What's the topic?
 
The original Hebrew predates the LXX, but that doesn't exist anymore. The earliest Hebrew manuscript we have dates to 1000-1100 AD

We know Josephus wrote the History of the Jews 1,000 yrs before the first surviving book was found. The same with the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts...they are the first surviving manuscripts of the original Hebrew NT which the Greek NT translation was written.

I think one thing is too often conflated and jumbled all up in the understanding of Salvation. From a Greek lens things get somewhat skewed.

Hebraic vs Greek mindset...a lot of misunderstanding and misinterpretation could be avoided if we viewed the NT via the Hebraic lens....not the Greek lens.

Hebraic worldview: Concrete, relational, covenantal.
Greek worldview: Abstract, juridical, metaphysical.

Anytime there is a translation from the original, by necessity there is a loss of information; and additional info is added that wasn't in the original manuscript.

The Greek for instance in John 1 says the Word, the Word, the Word (abstract), whereas the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts say the Son, the Son, the Son (Covenantal).

Greek is abstract and emphasizes my faith, my covenantal loyalty and so that my Salvation hinges on my faithfulness...whereas the Hebraic view is the opposite...(Relational, Covenantal) it emphasizes God's faithfulness, His Covenantal loyalty who acted on our behalf (ALONE) as our Kinsman Redeemer.

Western Greekyness just loves having "you" be the qualifier to receive "your Salvation" whereas the Hebraic view has "our Salvation" guaranteed by the qualified Life of Messiah. Rest in what He Alone has accomplished at the cross...Atonement for ungodly men (Justified) with the Promise of a God Who CAN NOT lie..."those HE justified He will glorify"...no Greeky meism qualifiers that people love so much!

HebrewGospel.com will elucidate a better understanding that the NT was originally written in Hebrew and then translated into Greek.

There are many scholars who hold this view because the NT is rife with Hebraisms and chiasms and idioms ect...yes there are many thousands of more Greek manuscripts (that because they were needed once the number of gentiles grew), but that doesn't equate to being original; it's just the mainstream scholarly consensus...and as Everyone Knows...they are never wrong! Ha!

one example...

Mathew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

In the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts this verse says "to do whatever Moses says to do"

You get a skewed wrong idea from the Greek here would you not say? AND you get what Christ actually said in the Hebrew.

Salvation from the abstract me centric Greek NT lens is based on your response, your (continued) faithfulness, Belief and loyalty...the New Covenant was provided because we are faithless...He is Faithfull.

The Hebraic NT lens has the onus on our Kinsman Redeemer who ALONE provided Atonement for ungodly men, so they now stand Justified by the works of Christ on the cross and His free gift of Atonement (Justification). If your salvation depends on you at any time you are screwed...BUT the Good News it's Not; it hinges on the Finished work of Christ and His righteousness imputed to us.

Those He Justified He Will Glorify...

Our Eternal Salvation:

Greek lens = me centric
Hebrew lens = Christ centric
 
What's the topic?

Response to this:

Round ???

Caveman vs Blue155

Topic:?
Winner: None
Loser: All
The Truth: we shall see

Clear winner here!!

Mathew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

In the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts this verse says "to do whatever Moses says to do"

You get a skewed wrong idea from the Greek here would you not say? AND you get what Christ actually said in the Hebrew.

Salvation from the abstract me centric Greek NT lens is based on your response, your (continued) faithfulness, Belief and loyalty...the New Covenant was provided because we are faithless...He is Faithfull.

The Hebraic NT lens has the onus on our Kinsman Redeemer who ALONE provided Atonement for ungodly men, so they now stand Justified by the works of Christ on the cross and His free gift of Atonement (Justification). If your salvation depends on you at any time you are screwed...BUT the Good News it's Not; it hinges on the Finished work of Christ and His righteousness imputed to us.

Those He Justified He Will Glorify...

Our Eternal Salvation:

Greek lens = me centric
Hebrew lens = Christ centric
 
Here's a video that will give you a great visual of what God has done for us in Christ from Paleo Hebrew. It's about 5 minuets long..

Bing Videos

About 35 years or so ago, the Messianic movement was beginning to gain ground. Now it seems the Paleo Hebrew group is upon us.

What you're proposing is that reading from the Greek Text we cannot know what, exactly? And you're saying that all Greek texts are translations of Hebrew texts now lost? And specifically Paleo or? And you're saying that without the Hebrew mind we cannot know the Truth?

Are you learning from anyone specific (I have noted the website you've listed)? Are there factions within the Paleo groups? How does Jeff Benner fit into what you're involved in?
 
Acts 21:20 “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Torah.”


Galatians 1:6–9 there is but one Gospel — the Good News of God’s kingdom and salvation through Messiah.

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!”

First century Jewish Believers continued to follow Torah not as a means of righteousness because Messiah had already accomplished this; but as a covenantal lifestyle that had been now illuminated by Messiah.

Gentiles knew they were not required to subject themselves to observe the Torah because of the freedom they now had in Christ. Gentile Believers could have observed Torah had they wished, but they saw no point in doing so. Jewish believers choose to observe not as a means of attaining righteousness but as a covenantal lifestyle.

Both Jews and Gentiles were never mandated to follow the Torah, but both Jews and Gentiles were free to do so if they choose...the Jewish Believers choose to and the Gentile Believers choose not to, and both were free and in right standing with the Lord if they did or didn't.

One Gospel but two distinct groups that together make the one "New Man" the NT speaks about.

Both groups are under the Law of Messiah now. Some Mosaic Laws carried over to the Law of Messiah and some did not. Where it was said to "love your neighbor as yourself "it had been upgraded into the higher Law of Messiah which says you shall "love your neighbor as I have loved you". This higher Law also provides greater Grace for those who fall short...because God is interested in our transformation into His likeness.

The disciples were Jewish believers who were also observing Torah, Shabbat and the Feast of the Lord ect. Paul and Peter both had been instructed that the Gentiles were now included into this New Covenant and that they would not be required to follow Torah; nor were the Jewish Believers, they simply chose too.

One Gospel, two groups and the freedom for both groups to observe Torah or not; Messiah is Torah manifested.

Yes, both we of Israel and Gentiles are all under the one Gospel of Grace that is relevant to us all today, but that other gospel that Paul stated was not a gospel (good news), given that the Kingdom Gospel was still rooted in the Law as preached by Peter in Acts 2 after Pentacost, it was placed on hold while Israel remains in its fallen state.

MM
 
So how EXACTLY, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, are we supposed to be able to lose our SALVATION?

Nobody loses their salvation. There is no such thing as becoming unsealed and there is no possibility the Father will ever forfeit His Holy Spirit by relinquishing what He gave in earnest.

MM
 
I do not believe you can “lose” salvation as in like “whoops! I lost it..where’d it go?”

But I do believe in the same way we can choose life (Deut. 30:19; cf. Mt. 11:28; Rev. 22:17; Acts 2:37-40, etc), one who chooses to become a child of God can also choose to walk away and abandon God (1 Jn. 1:6; Gal. 5:3-4; Heb. 3:14, 6:4-6, 10:26-29; Jn. 15:6; 2 Peter 2:1-2, 22, etc etc).

When one turns from the truth, the brethren should try to turn one back for the saving of his soul (Jms. 5:19-20), and the individual would need to repent from his sin (Acts 8:22).

I do believe in the eternal security of the believer for those who follow Jesus (Jn. 10:27). But not the impossibility of apostasy.

Peace.

Not even going i to unbelief is the loss of salvation:

2 Timothy 2:13 — If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

The idea that retention of salvation is based upon our efforts of will and strength, that's still works-based salvation. It is the Lord who is always faithful, even when we are not.

MM
 
Not even going i to unbelief is the loss of salvation:

2 Timothy 2:13 — If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

The idea that retention of salvation is based upon our efforts of will and strength, that's still works-based salvation. It is the Lord who is always faithful, even when we are not.

MM

No idea where works based salvation comes from?

Unless you're referring to trying to get saved without being saved like building a church and preaching your own wisdom in it every day or week.

Question,

Matthew 3:13-16
King James Version
13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

My question, who was doing the work and who was being obedient TO HIS WORD?
 
comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

My question, who was doing the work and who was being obedient TO HIS WORD?

I just noticed something about that event. Jesus didn't command John to baptize him; he requested that he do it. As the greatest Aaronic priest who ever lived (because he was called to serve the true temple oF God, not the earthly temple) it was in John's authority to allow or deny baptism. Jesus submitted to his priestly authority to perform that work of God, and in so doing he fulfilled the righteousness of the law, and was then declared to be the son of God.
 
About 35 years or so ago, the Messianic movement was beginning to gain ground. Now it seems the Paleo Hebrew group is upon us.

What you're proposing is that reading from the Greek Text we cannot know what, exactly? And you're saying that all Greek texts are translations of Hebrew texts now lost? And specifically Paleo or? And you're saying that without the Hebrew mind we cannot know the Truth?

Are you learning from anyone specific (I have noted the website you've listed)? Are there factions within the Paleo groups? How does Jeff Benner fit into what you're involved in?

The Paleo Video speaks for itself...as a great visual of what God has done in His Aleph-Bet the Torah was originally written in.

HebrewGospel.com shows the NT was originally written in Hebrew against the mainstream scholarly (heavily biased) view and then translated into Greek for the gentile converts to Christianity.

I'm saying the closer you get to the original written language the less information (by necessity) is lost or added in translating from one language to another (period); and yes the Greek NT is not the original language the NT was written in...it is the scholarly consensus view but HebrewGospel.com definitively debunks this for anyone that can be objective and follow the evidence.

I am not saying you can't get God's Truth from reading the Greek NT; but when my boys were very young, I would read to them from a children's picture Bible and it still conveyed the Word of God, but it was heavily redacted to say the least. The same effect with the Greek NT as evidenced by the Greek focus vs the Hebraic focus.

I am not a Messianic, but I do want to understand the Word of God as best I can from the original Hebraic writings because of the afore mentioned systemic problems that come from any translation. Benner has helped me change my Biblical lens from a Greek western mindset to a Hebraic one; seeing this is the mindset of the people the Bible was written to. If I try to understand purely from a western mindset I am sure to misinterpret much and likely build my belief on a faulty foundation of skewed assumptions and doctrinal dogma.
 
This is one of the many problems reading the NT through a western Greek mindset...it does not mean eternal damnation.

Hebraic worldview: Concrete, relational, covenantal. Being remembered = life and blessing; being blotted out = exclusion from God’s people.
Greek worldview: Abstract, juridical, metaphysical. Being written = eternal salvation; being blotted out = eternal condemnation.


The north American mindset is a problem for sure, but I do think this is interesting.
 
I said anyone who was trying to attain salvation or righteousness via observance of the Mosaic Law...and Severed is a Greek view meant to mean as in permanently separated...that's not what Paul is saying.

That's the western Greek view. Which is wrong. Severed here is the same as when Paul said to excommunicate the fella sleeping with his stepmom. Noticed the kid was restored back into fella-ship once he got his mind right.

Hebraic vs Greek mindset...a lot of misunderstanding and misinterpretation could be avoided if we viewed the NT via the Hebreic lens....not the Greeky lens

Thank you Cavemen, this has been very helpful.
 
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The Paleo Video speaks for itself...as a great visual of what God has done in His Aleph-Bet the Torah was originally written in.

HebrewGospel.com shows the NT was originally written in Hebrew against the mainstream scholarly (heavily biased) view and then translated into Greek for the gentile converts to Christianity.

I'm saying the closer you get to the original written language the less information (by necessity) is lost or added in translating from one language to another (period); and yes the Greek NT is not the original language the NT was written in...it is the scholarly consensus view but HebrewGospel.com definitively debunks this for anyone that can be objective and follow the evidence.

I am not saying you can't get God's Truth from reading the Greek NT; but when my boys were very young, I would read to them from a children's picture Bible and it still conveyed the Word of God, but it was heavily redacted to say the least. The same effect with the Greek NT as evidenced by the Greek focus vs the Hebraic focus.

I am not a Messianic, but I do want to understand the Word of God as best I can from the original Hebraic writings because of the afore mentioned systemic problems that come from any translation. Benner has helped me change my Biblical lens from a Greek western mindset to a Hebraic one; seeing this is the mindset of the people the Bible was written to. If I try to understand purely from a western mindset I am sure to misinterpret much and likely build my belief on a faulty foundation of skewed assumptions and doctrinal dogma.

The Paleo video was so-so IMO.

Would you like to quote me from HebrewGospel.com ("HG") where it says the NT was originally written in Hebrew. At quick glance it looks to be saying Matthew was originally written in Hebrew & Greek. A Hebrew Matthew has been discussed for quite some time as can be seen from some of the references HG quotes.

I paid quite a bit of attention to the Messianic movement in the 1990's through the early 2000 era and attended a Messianic Jewish Temple for a few years with a converted Rabbi pastoring it. Wonderful experience. But the Messianic movement grew to have opinions kind of like yours and IMO largely became just another denomination with similar views of being the one closest to the truth held by most denominations.

I've read a couple of Benner's books. They were interesting. I've read a lot of Messianic material. I've studied chiastic structures from the simplest to some that are so complex I still don't know if I truly can follow them. There's a Christian in Korea as I recall who is doing what looks like quite intense studies on chiastic structures in the Text. IMO at this point it's all a matter of what we interpret the Scripture to say and mean and why.

As for Greek and Hebrew mindsets, my view was similar to yours re: getting closer to the mindset of the writers of Scripture. But IMO Paul was a genius, well-versed in Hebrew and Greek culture, and tasked to merge 2 very different cultures including the Philosophy of the Greeks. And he was not writing only to Jews. A lot of work has been going on in the past few decades looking more into his work and use of rhetoric for example.

So, Matthew is one thing. But IMO there is more going on in the NT overall than may be understood from just Paleo-Hebrew. Anything that's helpful is good. I don't know that too narrow a focus is the answer.
 
Thank you Cavemen, this has been very helpful.

I'm glad anything I said was helpful...

Atonement = Justification

What do we do with "those He Justified He Also Glorified"?

This is His eternal plan of Salvation to redeem ALL His children (image of God) that the enemy corrupted...eternal destruction/damnation is a Greek construct...the Hebraic view is that eternity is beyond 'our view" (not His) and that God punishes and exiles with the ultimate view of reconciliation..."those He Justified He Also Glorified" God guarantees it!

Also,
We often conflate the commandments given by Moses (so confusion is the result) but we are now under the Law of Messiah (LOM) which is a higher law than the Mosaic Law which says "you must love your neighbor as yourself" whereas LOM says "you shall love your neighbor as I have loved you" = higher law and greater Grace...God is interested in our growth in the Spirit, so when we break His Law, we confess our sin, and He Graciously forgives us so we can realign with His Spirit to enable us to walk in His Ways; AND once hid in Christ there is no eternal separation of Covenantal status but we can experience loss of intimacy until we confess our sin and are realigned with the Spirit.

Here's a video that will give you a great visual of what God has done for us in Christ from Paleo Hebrew. It's about 5 minuets long..

Bing Videos
 
I just noticed something about that event. Jesus didn't command John to baptize him; he requested that he do it. As the greatest Aaronic priest who ever lived (because he was called to serve the true temple oF God, not the earthly temple) it was in John's authority to allow or deny baptism. Jesus submitted to his priestly authority to perform that work of God, and in so doing he fulfilled the righteousness of the law, and was then declared to be the son of God.

I sure do understand your point, I don't think John would refuse ANYONE since that was his only mission.

Since JESUS had to be baptized to fulfil all righteousness, he went there for it knowing John would.

Matthew 3:13-16
King James Version
13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

Do you really think John would deny anyone?
 
The Paleo video was so-so IMO.

Would you like to quote me from HebrewGospel.com ("HG") where it says the NT was originally written in Hebrew. At quick glance it looks to be saying Matthew was originally written in Hebrew & Greek. A Hebrew Matthew has been discussed for quite some time as can be seen from some of the references HG quotes.

I paid quite a bit of attention to the Messianic movement in the 1990's through the early 2000 era and attended a Messianic Jewish Temple for a few years with a converted Rabbi pastoring it. Wonderful experience. But the Messianic movement grew to have opinions kind of like yours and IMO largely became just another denomination with similar views of being the one closest to the truth held by most denominations.

I've read a couple of Benner's books. They were interesting. I've read a lot of Messianic material. I've studied chiastic structures from the simplest to some that are so complex I still don't know if I truly can follow them. There's a Christian in Korea as I recall who is doing what looks like quite intense studies on chiastic structures in the Text. IMO at this point it's all a matter of what we interpret the Scripture to say and mean and why.

As for Greek and Hebrew mindsets, my view was similar to yours re: getting closer to the mindset of the writers of Scripture. But IMO Paul was a genius, well-versed in Hebrew and Greek culture, and tasked to merge 2 very different cultures including the Philosophy of the Greeks. And he was not writing only to Jews. A lot of work has been going on in the past few decades looking more into his work and use of rhetoric for example.

So, Matthew is one thing. But IMO there is more going on in the NT overall than may be understood from just Paleo-Hebrew. Anything that's helpful is good. I don't know that too narrow a focus is the answer.

"But IMO there is more going on in the NT overall than may be understood from just Paleo-Hebrew". (I agree)

HebrewGospel.com does point to Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts that include several (not all) NT books as originally written in Hebrew; also Paul heard Messiah speak to him in the Hebrew language on the road to Damascus (why not in Greek?).

This biased scholarly consensus view heavily weighs the dominate language at the time the NT was written and also the many thousands of NT Greek surviving manuscripts, while ignoring the NT is linguistically Hebraic in its construct. Thousands of surviving NT Greek manuscripts does not equate to original except that they want it so.

Scholars have tried very hard to obscure even the hint (maybe conceding Mathew) the NT was originally written in Hebrew and then translated into Greek. I accept the fact that God has always gone to the Jew first and then the gentiles. The OT and NT were written in Hebrew and as Hebrewgospel.com shows there were NT Hebrew manuscripts that would affirm this precept.

We know Josephus wrote the History of the Jews 1,000 yrs before the first surviving book was found. The same with the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts...they are the first surviving manuscripts of the original Hebrew NT from which the Greek NT translation was written.

The OT Greek translation took OT Hebrew and stylized it into a Greek linguistic construct, but not many fools would ever say the Greek Septuagint predates OT Hebrew...

The Greek NT is obviously a translation from the Hebrew...the evidence of its Hebraic originality is in its Hebraic chiasms, idioms and Covenantal imagery. The Hebrew NT is written in a Conventual relationship construct whereas the Greek is abstract in its concepts that shift the emphasis to our faith not His Faithfulness.

Hebraic vs Greek mindset...a lot of misunderstanding and misinterpretation could be avoided if we viewed the NT via the Hebraic lens....not the Greek lens.

Hebraic worldview: Concrete, relational, covenantal.
Greek worldview: Abstract, juridical, metaphysical.

The Greek for instance in John 1 says the Word, the Word, the Word (abstract), whereas the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts say the Son, the Son, the Son (Covenantal).

Greek emphasizes my faith, my covenantal loyalty and so that my Salvation hinges on my faithfulness...whereas the Hebraic view is the opposite...it emphasizes God's Faithfulness, His Covenantal loyalty who acted on our behalf (ALONE) as our Kinsman Redeemer.

Western Greekyness just loves having "you" be the qualifier to receive "your Salvation" whereas the Hebraic view has "our Salvation" guaranteed by the qualified Life of Messiah.

Rest in what He Alone has accomplished at the cross...Atonement for ungodly men (Justified) with the Promise of a God Who CAN NOT lie..."those HE justified He will glorify"...no Greeky meism qualifiers that people love so much...

Problems with NT Greek Translation:

Mathew 23:1-3

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

In the Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts this verse says "to do whatever Moses says to do" You get a skewed wrong idea from the Greek here wouldn't you say? AND you get what Christ actually said in the Hebrew.

Salvation from the abstract me centric Greek NT lens is based on your response, your (continued) faithfulness, Belief and loyalty...the New Covenant was provided because we are faithless...He is Faithfull.

The Hebraic NT lens has the onus on our Kinsman Redeemer who ALONE provided Atonement for ungodly men, so they now stand Justified by the works of Christ on the cross and His free gift of Atonement (Justification).

If your salvation depends on you at any time, you are screwed...BUT the Good News it's Not; it hinges on the Finished work of Christ and His righteousness imputed to us.

Those He Justified He Will Glorify…(ATONEMENT)

Our Eternal Salvation:

Greek lens = me centric
Hebrew lens = Christ centric