WHO IS REALLY BORN AGAIN?

[Me_Clay]

Hmm, my thoughts and approach?

Did I say to follow me to be born again?

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

Hmm, my thoughts and approach?

Your style is criptic, with little explanation. In written communications, this make it hard to understand what you are saying, and leaves it up to the imagination to fill in the blanks.

When I read your question, I filled in the blanks this way: You were thinking that preaching against sin using scriptures may be causing me to feel convicted by the Holy Spirit because of my sins. This reveals where you think you are (above sin) in relation to me and others (who are mired in sin). Since you did not provide color to your question, that is how I colored it.

You could add color now to straighten out the misconception if it was a misconception.

 

[Me_Clay]

Your style is criptic, with little explanation. In written communications, this make it hard to understand what you are saying, and leaves it up to the imagination to fill in the blanks.

When I read your question, I filled in the blanks this way: You were thinking that preaching against sin using scriptures may be causing me to feel convicted by the Holy Spirit because of my sins. This reveals where you think you are (above sin) in relation to me and others (who are mired in sin). Since you did not provide color to your question, that is how I colored it.

You could add color now to straighten out the misconception if it was a misconception.

I'm sorry my post wasn't as colourful to you. They're not intended to be positive speech. Is there any false teaching on my post?

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

I'm sorry my post wasn't as colourful to you. They're not intended to be positive speech. Is there any false teaching on my post?

Since you didn't correct me, I assume my reading was correct. Teaching others by example to be presumptuous is false teaching, isn't it? And if you would answer the question about moving the goalposts, we may find other examples.

 

[vassal]

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Being born again means a person has a new heart from God that desires to obey Him and turn away from sin. It is a real change inside, not just saying words or holding a title. 1 John 3:9 says, “Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” The seed of God—the Holy Spirit—lives in them and helps them obey God. Jesus said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). A born-again person keeps themselves from sin (1 John 5:18) because God gives them a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 36:26). In simple terms, someone who is truly born again loves God, wants to obey His commandments, and no longer lives in sin as their normal way of life.

If you do not like my answers simply tell me and I will stop I am not certain you do.

 

[Me_Clay]

Since you didn't correct me, I assume my reading was correct. Teaching others by example to be presumptuous is false teaching, isn't it? And if you would answer the question about moving the goalposts, we may find other examples.

I'm not here to be the greatest among everyone. If you want to justified as righteous over me? You probably have to go to Jesus.

Dont bother replying anymore.

 

[Me_Clay]

Being born again means a person has a new heart from God that desires to obey Him and turn away from sin. It is a real change inside, not just saying words or holding a title. 1 John 3:9 says, “Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” The seed of God—the Holy Spirit—lives in them and helps them obey God. Jesus said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). A born-again person keeps themselves from sin (1 John 5:18) because God gives them a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 36:26). In simple terms, someone who is truly born again loves God, wants to obey His commandments, and no longer lives in sin as their normal way of life.

If you do not like my answers simply tell me and I will stop I am not certain you do.

Feel free to express, no one is righteous, none.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

I have encountered many "preachy" people in

I'm not here to be the greatest among everyone. If you want to justified as righteous over me? You probably have to go to Jesus.

Dont bother replying anymore.

Even if I wanted that, it wouldn't work. James and John proved that point when they asked for the best seats in heaven.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

One of the points you raise, which I highlighted in blue, trends into the point the article I linked deals with.

Some see 1John dealing with issues of gnostics who viewed their "enlightenment" as also having provided sinlessness. Thus several of the points of terminology John is dealing with are ones that these "heretics" had perverted.

1John1:8 for example is John dealing with what the heretics thought - that they had no sin. 1John3:9 is the same issue - the heretics said if born from God they don't sin and were not able to sin. Their view of sin was that it was ignorance and in their enlightened state they had no such ignorance. This is why John clarifies that sin is lawlessness 1John3:4. Christians and these heretics have a completely different view of even what sin is. As you've dealt with, we do sin, and it's part of our Spiritual Life in Christ to deal with it as instructed.

Anyway, interesting article IMO and I agree with the author that it removes some of the tensions left by the verb tense view(s). It also IMO is a better solution than some others I've heard and read over the years.

Sounds like an interesting article and useful .

I think also when we acknowledge our own sins before the lord it keeps us in these frames of thinking given To us by Jesus in the gospel to guide us through a dimly lit world

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭

See if I’m willing to acknowledge my own sin when I fall then these judgements become much greater in value

“Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I pretend that I’m perfect and have no sin or am beyond sin , this loses all value and motivation to offer grace and forgiveness to others who offend me . Why would I need this doctrine if I’m “ sinless “ or even if “ God no longer recognizes my sinful actions “ as some seem to suggest .

If you look closely at Jesus doctrine he knows there are going to be points that we sometimes fail and actually do commit sin . It’s a doctrine for sinners , calling them to repentance and obedience to his word rather than the words of Moses or anyone else.

throughout the gospel sinners responded to and flocked to him because is message was “ I’ve come to give my life as a ransom for sin I’m the promised Christ …. just believe in me and listen to my word and have eternal life “

but when he spoke he told for instance parables of two sons one who rebels and goes astray and does everything wrong wasting all his inheritance . And the other who stays home and honors his fathers Will and waits for his inheritance .

But the father still loves desperately the son who goes astray and makes all the wrong decisions. One day the son repents and comes to his senses remembering his father and so he begins coming home . But while he is still far from home the father sees him and comes running to meet him and the wayward son begins to explain how he’s realized he’s been wrong and is sorry and begs for a place as a servant again ….

but all the father is concerned with is that he has come back home . That son of his he’s lived always has come back home once far away as of he was dead no word home but now he’s alive again in his fathers arms . He sees his son is dirty but he hugs and kisses him anyways thrilled to see his face . He sees his sins ragged clothing and there’s nothing in his sin to identify that he is a sin and hier of the father so he demands the servants get the best robe available for him and get a family ring so he can quickly put it on . The whole time the only issue in thier reoatuonship was that the sons heart was in the world and all his imaginations of what was out there for him better than his fathers house

his father never disowned him when he was gone running amok wasting his inheritance in prostitutes and parties and wine and wild living and fun . He had for a time rejected his father and his heritage .

the point is the crowds listening were sinners and like the son ….he had done the wrong things made the wrong choices but ….his father was always watching and waiting for him to turn towards home . And when he did he was welcomed with open arms accepted and loved dearly just as the son who had never left .

whats sinner wouldn’t accept and live and be drawn to the message of the gospel ? That it’s never too late to repent and turn to the lord God through Christ and he will accept us just as we are when we do .

of course the wayward son doesn’t come home and bring prostitutes and throw wild parties and waste the rest of his fathers wealth but the sin has learned from his long hard road that his father is where his home is and his fathers ways are good and right and that all those things he did were sinful and wrong and they lead to nowhere and nothing and no one in the end . We just find ourselves wanting to eat the pig slop while we are wallowing in the mud

But in the fathers house are many mansions awaiting his family who turns toward home in repentance to the Lord.

His message truly is a call to all sinners to come home before the dawn

“I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

self righteous folks don’t like this message

“From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This bounces off of self righteous people “ repent ? I don’t need to repent “ but to sinners it’s a call to repent because the kingdom of God is near “

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬

The self righteous hear this totally contrary to how an acknowledged sinner hears it . To the sinner it’s Jesus saying I came for you . To the self righteous it says different.

it’s absolutely true that we have to repent and live upright lives but that’s a life long process decades over from faith to faith and from one glory to the next . He’s always refining and correcting us our part is to follow after the gospel

 

[studier]

it’s absolutely true that we have to repent and live upright lives but that’s a life long process decades over from faith to faith and from one glory to the next . He’s always refining and correcting us our part is to follow after the gospel

Nice work.

And it's all a part of what the Gospel is in its full scope - entrance, refining & completion - a process with goals and completions, which Jesus died for to put in place for us, and which He requires us to remain involved in, recognizing that overcoming sin to ever greater degrees is a part of it. Along the way we have the acknowledgment protocol and His advocacy for dealing with the sins we will struggle with.

Quite the process and system let alone the Godhead taking us through it and allowing and providing for us to responsively cooperate and endure in to the end...

Thanks for your comments. Encouraging.

 

[Dino246]

Your style is criptic, with little explanation. In written communications, this make it hard to understand what you are saying, and leaves it up to the imagination to fill in the blanks.

Your understatement is impressive.

 

[Dino246]

Little children marvel not what I said

I marvel not at what you said; I marvel at the profundity of its irrelevance.

 

[Caan]

God's world is more than you can imagine.

 

[Me_Clay]

Ignorance is lack of knowledge or information.

2 Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

 

[Me_Clay]

John 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

 

[Me_Clay]

 

[Me_Clay]

We worship you, Father

 

[Me_Clay]

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Nice work.

And it's all a part of what the Gospel is in its full scope - entrance, refining & completion - a process with goals and completions, which Jesus died for to put in place for us, and which He requires us to remain involved in, recognizing that overcoming sin to ever greater degrees is a part of it. Along the way we have the acknowledgment protocol and His advocacy for dealing with the sins we will struggle with.

Quite the process and system let alone the Godhead taking us through it and allowing and providing for us to responsively cooperate and endure in to the end...

Thanks for your comments. Encouraging.

Well said indeed

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[GWH]

Again, "born again" is just one way of saying "saved", so let us not be anal about it as though it were a fetish.
Synonyms include:

From Matthew

1. Repent (4:17, F)
2. Recognize one’s spiritual poverty (5:3, F)
3. Be righteous (5:20, W)
4. Love your enemies (5:44, W)
5. Forgive those who offend you (6:14, 18:35, W)
6. Serve God (6:24&33, W)
7. Enter the narrow gate (7:13, F)
8. Do God’s will (7:21 & 12:50, F&W)
9. Hear and act (7:24, F&W)
10. Confess Jesus (10:32, W)
11. Love Jesus (10:37, F)
12. Give life to Jesus (10:39& 16:24-25, F)
13. Have no doubt (11:6, F)
14. Come to Jesus (11:28, F)
15. Learn from Jesus (11:29, W)
16. Be for Jesus (12:30, F)
17. Understand (13:23, F)
18. Be good (5:48 & 13:38,43,49, W)
19. Value salvation (13:44-46, F)
20. Believe Jesus (16:16& 21:32, F)
21. Become humble (18:3-4 & 19:14, W)
22. Forgive others (18:35, W)
23. Give to the poor (19:21, W)
24. Follow Jesus (19:21&29, F)
25. Yield fruit (21:43, W)
26. Dress appropriately (22:11-14, cf. RV 16:15, W)
27. Love God, neighbor & self (22:37-40, W)
28. Hold out until the end (24:13, F)
29. Keep awake (24:42 & 25:13, F)
30. Be ready (24:44, F&W)
31. Be trustworthy and useful (25:21&30, F&W)
32. Help Jesus’ brothers (25:34-40, W)
33. Be righteous/do right (25:46, F&W)

More from Mark and Luke

34. Accept the kingdom (Mark 10:15, F)
35. Believe the Gospel (Mark 16:16, F)
36. Receive baptism (Mark 16:16, W)
37. Be hated (Luke 6:22-23, W)
38. Lend (Luke 6:35, W)
39. Judge not (Luke 6:37, W)
40. Invite the poor to your party (Luke 14:13-14, W)
41. Use wealth wisely (Luke 16:9, W)
42. Stand firm (Luke 21:19, F)

From John

43. Be born again (3:3&6, F)
44. Come to the light (3:21, F)
45. Drink living water (4:14, F)
46. Heed Jesus (5:24, W)
47. Do right (5:29, W)
48. Work for the food of life (6:27, W)
49. Believe in the one God has sent (F)
50. Partake of the bread of life (6:33-35&51, F)
51. Eat the flesh and drink the blood of X (6:54, F)
52. Dwell within the truth (8:31&35, W)
53. Obey the Son (8:51 & 14:15, F&W)
54. Hate self; serve Jesus (12:25-26, W)
55. Accept Jesus’ words (12:47, F)
56. Follow Jesus’ example (13:15-17, W)
57. Dwell in Jesus and in love (15:5-10, F&W)
58. Heed his command (15:10-12, F)
59. Know God and Jesus Christ (17:3, F)
60. Believe Jesus is Christ/Son (20:31, F)

GRFS per Peter and Paul

From Acts

61. Call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21)
62. Repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38, cf. 3:19)
63. Believe in Jesus (Acts 10:43, cf. 13:39&48)
64. Believe in the Lord Jesus (Acts 16:31, cf. 18:8)
65. Repent and turn to God (Acts 26:20)

From Romans

66. Have faith (Rom. 1:17)
67. Persist in doing good (Rom. 2:7&10, cf. 3:12)
68. Obey the law (Rom. 2:13, cf. 3:20)
69. Have faith in Jesus Christ (Rom. 3:22, 26&28, 5:1)
70. Confess Jesus as resurrected Lord (Rom. 10:9)
71. Call on the name of the Lord (Rom. 10:13)

From 1 & 2 Corinthians

72. Believe (1Cor. 1:21)
73. Hold firmly to the gospel (1Cor. 15:2)
74. Repent (2Cor. 7:10)
75. Examine yourself (2Cor. 13:5)
76. Aim for perfection. (2Cor. 13:11)

From Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians

77. Do not pervert the Gospel (Gal. 1:6-7)
78. Know that we are justified by faith in JC (Gal. 2:16)
79. Through faith be baptized into Christ and clothed with Christ (Gal. 3:27)
80. Stand firm in Christ’s freedom (Gal. 5:1)
81. Do not trust in circumcision (Gal. 5:2-3)
82. Do not try to be justified by law (Gal. 5:4)
83. Live by the Spirit (Gal. 5:16)
84. Sow to please the Spirit (Gal. 6:8)
85. Hope in Christ (Eph. 1″12)
86. Believe/have faith in the Lord Jesus (Eph. 1:13-15)
87. Be saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8)
88. Put off your old sinful self (Eph. 4:22)
89. Be imitators of God (Eph. 5:1)
90. Strive for moral perfection (Eph. 5:3-7)
91. Live as children of light (Eph. 5:8)
92. Be wise by doing the Lord’s will (Eph. 5:15-17)
93. Put on the full armor of God (Eph. 6:11-13)
94. Stand firm for the faith of the Gospel (Phil. 1:27)
95. Continue to cooperate with God’s good purpose (Phil. 2:12-13)
96. Stand firm in the Lord (Phil. 4:1)
97. Have faith in the Gospel of JC (Col. 1:4-6&23)
98. Receive CJ as Lord (Col. 2:6)
99. Stop sinning and start loving (Col. 3:5-14)

From Thessalonians, Timothy & Titus

100. Have faith that produces good works (1Thes. 1:3&13)
101. Have faith and love that perseveres (1Thes. 3:5-10)
102. Put on faith, love and hope of salvation (1Thes. 5:8-9)
103. Persevere despite enduring persecution (2Thes. 1:3-5)
104. Believe on CJ who came to save sinners (1Tim. 1:15-16)
105. Do not pervert or abandon the true faith (1Tim. 4:1-3)
106. Do not quarrel or wander from the faith (1Tim. 6:3-5&20-21)
107. Have sincere faith that suffers for the Gospel (2Tim. 1:4-12)
108. Do not disown CJ (2Tim. 2:10-12)
109. Confess the name of the Lord and turn from sin (2Tim. 2:19)
110. Fight the good fight and finish the race of faith (2Tim. 4:7)
111. Have faith in the truth that gives hope of heaven (Tit. 1:2)
112. Teach the grace of God that offers salvation to all men (Tit. 2:11-15)