Are you temporary saved or saved?

[OLDBUTNEW]

For me, serving and honouring Him in all ways, study to show thyself approved, search the scriptures, keep learning, walking with Him, praying and communicating with Him, having enough oil for your lamp, always wait upon the Holy Spirit for direction. Be sensitive and alert to the Holy Spirit. Keep his commandments. Flee from temptation, etc., etc.

@Me_Clay : Excellent, Brother! Thank you for this.

 

[Caveman]

if Christ died for the ungodly at the Atonement....then God has promised to Glorify those He Justified...so Salvation is guaranteed by God...not dependent on us...entering into a spirit reborn relationship (Sanctification) is dependent on our responding to the grace we have been given at the atonement. But the Atonement was a gift of His Grace to all ungodly men, so Justification is His doing and so is the rest...if we resist His Grace we will see punishment but once we respond the His Kindness at the Atonement (Justification) then His Spirit enters us and we begin the Sanctifying process of being transformed into the image of Christ and then one day Glorified

 

[Caveman]

Here's a different perspective...Salvation is a three-phase process that is initiated by God alone via the Atonement. What was accomplished at the Atonement was universal Justification for all ungodly men (without merit or contrition of any kind by the sinner man). This was an unmerited gift from God. Messiah's Death, Blood and Life was accepted by the Father and in so doing Christ redeemed all men from the slavery of sin and death (making our Peace with God) and made it possible by trusting in His Faithfulness for us to enter into a living relationship with the Father that begins the New Birth at our Sanctification. This is where we are given His Spirit and are cooperatively transformed into the image of Christ; these are the works He has given us to walk in. He works in us by His Spirit that we have now indwelling in us; this is how we overcome..by His Blood and the word of our testimony. God at the Judgement will then purge us completely of all sin and present us as though we have never sinned; and we will be like the sinless Son of God. Those of mankind who are Justified by His Atonement but choose to resist God's offer of Covenant relationship by willingly being transformed into His image (Sanctification) will be punished in Hell for a time but after (God knows) they have been humbled and purged by the cleansing of the fiery punishment will eventually call on God as we all have who are Sanctified now into covenant relationship; so eventually they too will be Glorified and made to be like the sinless Son of God. How do we know this...? God has sworn that those He Justified "HE" will Glorify. It's not dependent on man (we would screw it up), but He has promised those He Justified He Will Glorify; you can't get any plainer than that! Evidenced by the fact that we all were made in His image; and God had a failsafe from before the Beginning...Christ crucified! When Adam sinned and his first-born son killed his youngest son...in both cases though both Adam and Cain had direct warning from God…they sinned anyway, but what did God do...He cursed the ground not Adam and He put a sign on Cain forehead to protect him. This is parental Love of a Father...His unconditional Covenants are His to accomplish...the one conditional Mosaic Covenant exposed just how sinful we are, and it became a Covenant of death to us! SO, the Father of Mercy and Justice paid the price for our freedom and wholeness because we could never meet His righteousness on our own, so as our Kinsman Redeemer He took our place and became victorious over death and He hid us in Christ, so we have perfect Peace now with God. The thing we need to remember is that though God does allow temporal punishment, that is only meant to humble us for our good; and even physical death like what happened to Pharaoh because of hard heartedness was only temporal. He intends to bring all His children (image of God) home that the enemy has corrupted. See Hebrewgospeldotcom to learn that the NT was originally written to the church in Hebrew and then translated into Greek later. There are only 4 surviving NT Sephardic Hebrew manuscripts. Scholars would have you believe that because there are tons and tons of Greek NT manuscripts (compared to the Sephardic Hebrew) and that they are the oldest…that this = "original" NT writtings.... that is flimsy at best and purposely biased. God always goes to the Jew first and then the Gentile..this is the model Jesus also followed. The first century Believers were mostly Jewish and all the Disciples who wrote the NT were Jewish eyewitnesses of Christ. The reason the Hebrew NT manuscripts are so rare is because very quickly many more Gentiles became believers and fewer and fewer Jews were continuing to convert to Christianity, so the need for Greek translations was practical. The OT Greek translation took OT Hebrew and stylized it into a Greek linguistic construct, but no one ever says the Greek Septuagint predates the OT Hebrew! The Greek NT is obviously a translation from the Hebrew...the evidence of its Hebraic originality is the chiasms, idioms and Covenantal imagery. The Hebrew NT is written in a Conventual relationship construct whereas the Greek is abstract in its concepts and emphasizes our faith not His Faithfulness; as an example, Greek says in John 1 "The Word","The Word","The Word" and the Sephardic Hebrew manuscripts say "The Son", "The Son", "The Son".

 

[Ouch]

You need God, Jesus, Holy Spirt + your belief = Eternal life

You cannot have any missing part in one of them, including your belief

All three play a crucial role in our salvation program

Without God: you never know his word

The Holy Spirit brings the word into your heart.

Jesus pays for your sins

Everyone is given the chance from God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit to receive salvation.

But a person must believe in Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who pay for your sins.

Jesus took the wrath of God on our behalf

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Matthew 26:44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

A Catholic can have God and Jesus + his/her belief.

The missing part is the Holy Spirit.

Or any Christian not just the Catholic

That salvation is only temporary, meaning you're temporary saved.

Until your name is blotted out from the book of life.

Your name must remained in the book of life to be saved.

There's another type of Christian who they think they're born again.

This is what they have: God +Jesus+Carnal spirit = Everlasting Contempt, Hypocrite.

Their carnal spirit or nature still trying to earn salvation.

You say, "are they saved or lost?" The answer would be God only know.

A person can change, just like the right cross thief

Both thieves were mocking at Jesus in the beginning

But the Holy Spirit brings God's word into their hearts. The left thief rejected it with anger, to pierce a stony heart would have resulted in anger and pain

The right cross thief have a different aspect, his heart accepted God's word and ask Jesus to remember him, he even acknowledged Jesus is God and they're sinners who deserved to be punished.

What are your thoughts?

Can you feel the Holy Spirit is trying to reach your heart ?

After we are reborn.

Believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS fills us with HIS spirit like in Acts 2:4 then we have to do HIS will. John 3:5, Acts 2:38

If we don't do HIS will why would someone think they are still saved?

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Can we just go back to our old self and think we are good?

If JESUS filled us with HIS spirit, do you think that JESUS will enter place we should not be at? Or watch things we should should not be watching?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

You need God, Jesus, Holy Spirt + your belief = Eternal life

You cannot have any missing part in one of them, including your belief

All three play a crucial role in our salvation program

Without God: you never know his word

The Holy Spirit brings the word into your heart.

Jesus pays for your sins

Everyone is given the chance from God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit to receive salvation.

But a person must believe in Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who pay for your sins.

Jesus took the wrath of God on our behalf

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Matthew 26:44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

A Catholic can have God and Jesus + his/her belief.

The missing part is the Holy Spirit.

Or any Christian not just the Catholic

That salvation is only temporary, meaning you're temporary saved.

Until your name is blotted out from the book of life.

Your name must remained in the book of life to be saved.

There's another type of Christian who they think they're born again.

This is what they have: God +Jesus+Carnal spirit = Everlasting Contempt, Hypocrite.

Their carnal spirit or nature still trying to earn salvation.

You say, "are they saved or lost?" The answer would be God only know.

A person can change, just like the right cross thief

Both thieves were mocking at Jesus in the beginning

But the Holy Spirit brings God's word into their hearts. The left thief rejected it with anger, to pierce a stony heart would have resulted in anger and pain

The right cross thief have a different aspect, his heart accepted God's word and ask Jesus to remember him, he even acknowledged Jesus is God and they're sinners who deserved to be punished.

What are your thoughts?

Can you feel the Holy Spirit is trying to reach your heart ?

You are correct that one must understand and believe in God as revealed by His Word.

Yes, Jesus took our wrath and purchased eternal life.
The word translated "eternal life" is the same word "everlasting life."

A believer in Jesus Christ has, present tense, everlasting life.
How long is everlasting?
Is it until the believer is carnal and then it's no longer a gift of everlasting life but must be earned by keeping the law?
Is that what you are saying or is this what Catholics teach?

 

[GWH]

It's easy to fall and harder to return to God. Especially ex Christians.

Yes, Heb. 6:4-6 indicates that a genuine Christian who commits apostasy will never repent again and be forgiven.
I guess they become like Satan's demonic angels.

 

[Me_Clay]

You are correct that one must understand and believe in God as revealed by His Word.

Yes, Jesus took our wrath and purchased eternal life.
The word translated "eternal life" is the same word "everlasting life."

A believer in Jesus Christ has, present tense, everlasting life.
How long is everlasting?
Is it until the believer is carnal and then it's no longer a gift of everlasting life but must be earned by keeping the law?
Is that what you are saying or is this what Catholics teach?

Generally is what the bible taught us, it's from His breath.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Generally is what the bible taught us, it's from His breath.

He gives us the choice to reject His grace and remain under the curse of the law.

10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2

 

[Me_Clay]

He gives us the choice to reject His grace and remain under the curse of the law.

10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2