Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Kroogz]

Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

Nothing about predestined to believe.

 

[Caveman]

We often conflate the commandments given by Moses (so confusion is the result) but we are now under the Law of Messiah (LOM) which is a higher law than the Mosaic Law which says "you must love your neighbor as yourself" whereas LOM says "you shall love your neighbor as I have loved you" = higher law and greater Grace...God is interested in our growth in the Spirit, so when we break His Law, we confess our sin, and He Graciously forgives us so we can realign with His Spirit to enable us to walk in His Ways; AND once hid in Christ there is no eternal separation of Covenantal status but we can experience loss of intimacy until we confess our sin and are realigned with the Spirit.

How the Atonement (Justification) Accomplished All

• Universal Justification (Atonement):
• • At the cross, Messiah’s death, blood, and life were accepted by the Father as the once-for-all payment.
  • This act was universal — gifted to all ungodly men without merit, contrition, or human effort.
  • By this, Christ redeemed all humanity from slavery to sin and death, securing peace with God.
  • This is the foundation: God alone initiated salvation through the Atonement.
• Invitation to Sanctification (New Birth):
• • Justification opens the door, but only those who accept God’s covenant invitation enter sanctification.
  • The New Birth is given only to those being sanctified — those who receive His Spirit.
  • In sanctification, the Spirit indwells us, transforming us into Christ’s image, and empowering us to walk in the works He prepared.
  • Our overcoming is by His blood and the word of our testimony, not by our own strength.
• Glorification Guaranteed by the Atonement:
• • God has sworn: those He justified, He will glorify.
  • At judgment, He will purge all sin and present us as though we had never sinned.
  • Even those who resist sanctification may face temporal punishment (Hell as purging fire), but ultimately they too will be humbled, purified, and glorified — because the Atonement was God’s unilateral act.
• God’s Covenant Faithfulness Displayed:
• • The Mosaic covenant exposed human sinfulness and became a covenant of death, but the Father of Mercy and Justice fulfilled His unconditional covenant through the Atonement.
  • Christ, as our Kinsman Redeemer, took our place, defeated death, and hid us in Himself.
  • The Atonement was the “failsafe” from before the beginning — Christ crucified was God’s eternal plan to ensure His children (made in His image) would be brought home.
  • Even temporal punishments (Adam, Cain, Pharaoh) reveal God’s parental love — judgment is corrective, not final separation.
• Textual Witness (Hebrew vs. Greek):
• • The Septuagint stylized Hebrew covenantal language into Greek constructs, but it never predated or displaced the Hebrew OT.
  • In the same way, the abundance of Greek NT manuscripts does not prove Greek originality.
  • The NT is saturated with Hebraic chiasms, idioms, and covenantal imagery, pointing to Hebrew primacy.
  • Greek manuscripts often abstract concepts into “faith” as human belief, while Hebrew manuscripts emphasize God’s faithfulness in the Atonement.
  • Example: John 1 in Sephardic Hebrew manuscripts says “The Son” rather than “The Word,” keeping the covenantal focus intact.
  • For manuscript evidence and study, see HebrewGospeldotcom, which highlights the surviving Sephardic Hebrew NT manuscripts and their covenantal constructs.

The Big Picture

• Justification (Atonement) is the fountainhead: universally accomplished, inviting all into sanctification.
• Sanctification (New Birth) is given only to those who accept the covenant invitation and receive His Spirit.
• Glorification is guaranteed for all who were justified, whether through sanctification now or eventual purging later.
• God’s covenant faithfulness ensures the plan cannot fail — Christ crucified was the eternal failsafe.
• Textual witness confirms the Hebraic foundation of both OT and NT, resisting the claim that Greek abundance equals originality.

Everything — sanctification, glorification, covenant faithfulness, even the textual witness of Scripture — flows from the Atonement.

NT Understanding: Hebraic Lens vs. Greek Lens
Theme
Hebraic Lens (Covenantal, Relational)
Greek Lens (Philosophical, Abstract)
Source of Salvation
Rooted in God’s covenant faithfulness. Salvation is His unilateral act through Messiah’s Atonement.
Rooted in human response of faith/belief. Salvation often framed as dependent on individual assent.
Justification
Universal gift accomplished at the Atonement for all ungodly men, without merit or contrition. God reconciles humanity to Himself.
Conditional acceptance based on personal belief or fidelity. Justification is often seen as applied only to those who “believe.”
Sanctification (New Birth)
Invitation into covenant relationship. Those who receive His Spirit are transformed into Messiah’s image. The Spirit indwells and empowers.
Emphasis on moral striving and intellectual assent. Transformation is often tied to human discipline or fidelity.
Glorification
Guaranteed by God’s promise: those He justified, He will glorify. Even temporal punishment is corrective, leading ultimately to restoration.
Often conditional: glorification is reserved for those who persist in belief or fidelity. Eternal separation is emphasized for those who fail.
Covenant Framework
God’s unconditional covenants (Abrahamic, Davidic, New Covenant) are fulfilled in Messiah. The Mosaic covenant exposed sin but was overcome by His mercy.
Focus on law, ethics, and philosophy. The Mosaic covenant is often interpreted as a moral system rather than a relational exposure of sin.
Language & Imagery
Rich in chiasms, idioms, covenantal imagery, parental love. Example: John 1 in Hebrew manuscripts says “The Son” — relational and covenantal.
Abstract concepts dominate: “The Word” in John 1 emphasizes logos (reason, principle) rather than relational Sonship.
Judgment & Punishment
Temporal, corrective, parental discipline. Even Hell is purging fire meant to humble and restore.
Eternal, retributive punishment. Judgment is final separation rather than corrective discipline.
Textual Witness
Hebrew manuscripts (Sephardic NT) preserve covenantal constructs. God always goes to the Jew first, then Gentile.
Abundance of Greek manuscripts seen as proof of originality, though they stylize Hebraic thought into Greek constructs.
Human Role
Humanity is invited to participate in sanctification, but the foundation is always God’s action.
Humanity is seen as the decisive factor: salvation hinges on personal belief/fidelity.
Key Takeaway

• Hebraic lens: Salvation is God’s covenantal act — initiated, sustained, and completed by Him. Justification is universal, sanctification is an invitation into covenant relationship, and glorification is guaranteed by His promise. Punishment is corrective, never final.
• Greek lens: Salvation is often human-centered — dependent on belief, fidelity, or intellectual assent. Justification and glorification are conditional, punishment is eternal, and the relational covenantal imagery is abstracted into philosophical categories.

This contrast shows why the Hebraic lens preserves the parental love, covenant faithfulness, and relational action of God, while the Greek lens shifts emphasis toward human belief and abstract philosophy.

Hey LifelongLearner did you know this..."God did not harden Pharoah's heart as in the Greek western view...He strengthen Pharoah's heart because he was beaten down and wanted to surrender; not in humility but just plain beaten down and he wanted out of the fight, but God gave him rest enough to recharge and strengthen his heart enough to continue the fight...this is the true meaning of the scripture that speaks to God "hardening Pharoah's heart". Pharoah hardened his own heart....Quite different than the Greek western view huh? See HebrewGospeldotcom to find out other interesting revelations".

 

[Blue155]

Hey Blue155 did you know this..."God did not harden Pharoah's heart as in the Greek western view...He strengthen Pharoah's heart because he was beaten down and wanted to surrender; not in humility but just plain beaten down and he wanted out of the fight, but God gave him rest enough to recharge and strengthen his heart enough to continue the fight...this is the true meaning of the scripture that speaks to God "hardening Pharoah's heart". Pharoah hardened his own heart....Quite different than the Greek western view huh? See HebrewGospeldotcom to find out other interesting revelations".

Interesting.




Goodbye









Just kidding

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It's extremely doubtful that any NT writing was written in Hebrew because the people of that time didn't speak Hebrew. They spoke Aramaic and Greek. So there would be no point to write anything in Hebrew. The only people who knew Hebrew were people with religious training like Paul. Targumists were used in Israel because the population did not understand Hebrew. At religious gatherings someone would read aloud a verse in Hebrew (or 3 verses from the prophets) and a Targumist would translate it into Aramaic.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/aramaic4.html
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Targum

 

[sawdust]

I could very well be. Although there are different views on omniscience to avoid the Calvinistic version of strict, grim determinism where we have no free will, as if everything is like a movie.

I'm pretty sure none of those here who hold to Reformed/Calvin/TULIP doctrine would say omniscience is anything other than God knowing all things. What deterministic viewpoint they may derive from His omniscience is another matter.

 

[sawdust]

How many people would be in the church if God's builders didnt go out and spread the word?

If it relied on God alone? Quite possibly a lot more.

 

[sawdust]

It's extremely doubtful that any NT writing was written in Hebrew because the people of that time didn't speak Hebrew. They spoke Aramaic and Greek. So there would be no point to write anything in Hebrew. The only people who knew Hebrew were people with religious training like Paul. Targumists were used in Israel because the population did not understand Hebrew. At religious gatherings someone would read aloud a verse in Hebrew (or 3 verses from the prophets) and a Targumist would translate it into Aramaic.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/aramaic4.html
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Targum

Outside of Judea many would have used the Septuagint as Greek was their spoken language.

 

[Jackson129]

Outside of Judea many would have used the Septuagint as Greek was their spoken language.

Is it weird for me to think how big a Bible must have been back then? Mine is over 2k pages of type. Hand written had to be massive.

 

[Caveman]

It's extremely doubtful that any NT writing was written in Hebrew because the people of that time didn't speak Hebrew. They spoke Aramaic and Greek. So there would be no point to write anything in Hebrew. The only people who knew Hebrew were people with religious training like Paul. Targumists were used in Israel because the population did not understand Hebrew. At religious gatherings someone would read aloud a verse in Hebrew (or 3 verses from the prophets) and a Targumist would translate it into Aramaic.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/aramaic4.html

This is the scholarly consensus...but as pointed out by HebrewGospeldotcom there are at least 4 Sephardic Hebrew manuscripts that prove otherwise. The Gentiles who mainly spoke Greek quickly became the majority of Believers and over time set the narrative you and the vast majority of scholars hold to.

The Sephardic Gospel manuscripts are consistent with the Hebraic linguistic construct of the NT; and the NT is rife with Hebraic chiasms, idioms and Hebraic thought. "Doubtful" if not proof against Hebrew NT primacy...nor is the consensus of scholarly opinion that oppose it.

Acts 26:14, Paul recounts his dramatic encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus. He says:

"And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, ‘Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.’"​

Besides HebrewGospeldotcom here's a list of scholars who agree the NT was originally written in Hebrew.


These scholars have argued (to varying degrees) that parts or all of the NT were first composed in Hebrew/Aramaic:

• Dr. Joseph Shulam (79) – Messianic Jewish scholar; strongly affirms Hebrew/Aramaic primacy, especially for Matthew.
• Dr. David Bivin (86) – Specialist in Hebrew/Aramaic background of the NT; argues that many sayings of Jesus and possibly Matthew originated in Hebrew.
• Dr. Roy B. Blizzard (~83) – Co-authored works with Bivin; advocates Hebrew origins of the Gospels.
• Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum (82) – Messianic Jewish theologian; supports Hebrew primacy in some NT texts.
• Dr. Randall Buth (~70s) – Linguist and NT scholar; explores Aramaic/Hebrew underpinnings of NT traditions.
• Dr. Tsvi Sadan (62) – Israeli scholar; affirms Hebrew roots of NT writings.
• Dr. Eitan Bar (41) – Messianic Jewish apologist; argues for Hebrew primacy in Matthew.
• Dr. Steven Notley (~70s) – Works on Hebrew/Aramaic background of the NT; sympathetic to Hebrew Gospel hypothesis.

Even this is grungily conceded...the NT is written by Jews to Jews (first Christian converts) and latter translated into Greek...at which point they skewed the Hebraic voice with its western Greekness "all about me and my faith, my loyalty" in a Greek contractual construct; not in a Hebraic Covenant Relational Construct with the emphasis on the Faithfulness of the Father and our Kinsman Redeemer. People like (Love) to have something to do with their salvation.

 

[Caveman]

Outside of Judea many would have used the Septuagint as Greek was their spoken language.

Check it out...the Septuagint also morphed the OT Hebrew that it was translated from; also no one will say the Septuagint has primacy over the OT Hebrew, like they do with the NT Greek bias.

 

[Jordon]

God did not harden Pharoah's heart as in the Greek western view...He strengthen Pharoah's heart because he was beaten down and wanted to surrender; not in humility but just plain beaten down and want out of the fight, but God gave him rest enough to recharge and strengthen his heart enough to continue the fight...this is the true meaning of the scripture that speaks to God "hardening Pharoah's heart". Quite different than the Greek western view huh? See HebrewGospeldotcom to find out other interesting revelations.

I am that I am, says God, and if the lord says to you from whomever, you have always been, what does this imply ?.

Was there life before sin, ?

The life did choose what will would be done, before there was no sin,.

The life chose that every knee will bow, That word was spoken in the bible, which was the life from that is eternal, and a clear authoritative will was spoken,

He spoke every knee will bow, and the Pharaoh did.

You sir give glory to the pharaoh,

And you sir shall not live by bread alone but I every word that proceeds out of the lord.

 

[Caveman]

I am that I am, says God, and if the lord says to you from whomever, you have always been, what does this imply ?.

Was there life before sin, ?

The life did choose what will would be done, before there was no sin,.

The life chose that every knee will bow, That word was spoken in the bible, which was the life from that is eternal, and a clear authoritative will was spoken,

He spoke every knee will bow, and the Pharaoh did.

You sir give glory to the pharaoh,

And you sir shall not live by bread alone but I every word that proceeds out of the lord.

sorry...this is the problem with the western Greek view...

Exodus 9:12 (one of the key places where God is said to “harden” Pharaoh’s heart):

Hebrew text:

וַיְחַזֵּק יְהוָה אֶת־לֵב פַּרְעֹה​

Transliteration:

Vayyĕḥazzēq YHWH ’et-lēv Par‘ōh​

Literal meaning:

“And the LORD strengthened the heart of Pharaoh.”​

Word Breakdown

• וַיְחַזֵּק (vayyĕḥazzēq)**
  • Root: חָזַק (ḥāzaq)**
  • Meaning: to be strong, to strengthen, to restore, to prevail, to encourage.
  • In this verse: “God strengthened” — i.e., He allowed Pharaoh to regain strength.
• לֵב (lēv)**
  • Meaning: heart, inner will, resolve.
  • Here: Pharaoh’s inner determination.

So the verse literally says: “The LORD strengthened Pharaoh’s heart.” God did not force Pharaoh into rebellion but rather allowed him to recover his strength to continue resisting.


Summary
The Hebrew word is חָזַק (ḥāzaq)**, meaning to strengthen, to make firm, to restore vigor. In Exodus 9:12, it shows that God strengthened Pharaoh’s heart — letting him regain his willpower to keep fighting, rather than collapsing under the plagues.

Also,

in John 1 it says the Son , the Son , the Son in the Hebraic Covenantal relationship linguistic construct...the Word the Word the Word is the Greeked up abstract...check out Hebrewgospeldotcom for a better understanding (Hebraic God centric covenantal construct vs Greeked me-ism center (My faith, my loyalty my belief) Its all about....His faithfulness and His loyalty and His Kinsman Redeemer Salvation...not our underperforming faithfulness.

We are His Sons made in His image that the enemy corrupted that He made total atonement for...those He Justified He glorified...Our destiny is guaranteed by the Father Himself...!!

 

[Caveman]

I am that I am, says God, and if the lord says to you from whomever, you have always been, what does this imply ?.

Was there life before sin, ?

The life did choose what will would be done, before there was no sin,.

The life chose that every knee will bow, That word was spoken in the bible, which was the life from that is eternal, and a clear authoritative will was spoken,

He spoke every knee will bow, and the Pharaoh did.

You sir give glory to the pharaoh,

And you sir shall not live by bread alone but I every word that proceeds out of the lord.

sorry...this is the problem with the western Greek view...

Exodus 9:12 (one of the key places where God is said to “harden” Pharaoh’s heart):

Hebrew text:

וַיְחַזֵּק יְהוָה אֶת־לֵב פַּרְעֹה​

Transliteration:

Vayyĕḥazzēq YHWH ’et-lēv Par‘ōh​

Literal meaning:

“And the LORD strengthened the heart of Pharaoh.”​

Word Breakdown

• וַיְחַזֵּק (vayyĕḥazzēq)**
  • Root: חָזַק (ḥāzaq)**
  • Meaning: to be strong, to strengthen, to restore, to prevail, to encourage.
  • In this verse: “God strengthened” — i.e., He allowed Pharaoh to regain strength.
• לֵב (lēv)**
  • Meaning: heart, inner will, resolve.
  • Here: Pharaoh’s inner determination.

So the verse literally says: “The LORD strengthened Pharaoh’s heart.” God did not force Pharaoh into rebellion but rather allowed him to recover his strength to continue resisting.


Summary
The Hebrew word is חָזַק (ḥāzaq)**, meaning to strengthen, to make firm, to restore vigor. In Exodus 9:12, it shows that God strengthened Pharaoh’s heart — letting him regain his willpower to keep fighting, rather than collapsing under the plagues.

Also,

in John 1 it says the Son , the Son , the Son in the Hebraic Covenantal relationship linguistic construct...the Word the Word the Word is the Greeked up abstract...check out Hebrewgospeldotcom for a better understanding (Hebraic God centric covenantal construct vs Greeked me-ism center (My faith, my loyalty my belief) Its all about....His faithfulness and His loyalty and His Kinsman Redeemer Salvation...not our underperforming faithfulness.

We are His Sons made in His image that the enemy corrupted that He made total atonement for...those He Justified He glorified...Our destiny is guaranteed by the Father Himself...!!

AND this does closely follow the Word of God, and it Does Give Him all the Glorify...because I told you rightly what God "hath" said...not the misinterpreted mess that says God hardened Pharaohs' heart...Greeked up mess...

 

[sawdust]

sorry...this is the problem with the western Greek view...

Exodus 9:12 (one of the key places where God is said to “harden” Pharaoh’s heart):

Hebrew text:

וַיְחַזֵּק יְהוָה אֶת־לֵב פַּרְעֹה​

Transliteration:

Vayyĕḥazzēq YHWH ’et-lēv Par‘ōh​

Literal meaning:

“And the LORD strengthened the heart of Pharaoh.”​

Word Breakdown

• וַיְחַזֵּק (vayyĕḥazzēq)**
  • Root: חָזַק (ḥāzaq)**
  • Meaning: to be strong, to strengthen, to restore, to prevail, to encourage.
  • In this verse: “God strengthened” — i.e., He allowed Pharaoh to regain strength.
• לֵב (lēv)**
  • Meaning: heart, inner will, resolve.
  • Here: Pharaoh’s inner determination.

So the verse literally says: “The LORD strengthened Pharaoh’s heart.” God did not force Pharaoh into rebellion but rather allowed him to recover his strength to continue resisting.


Summary
The Hebrew word is חָזַק (ḥāzaq)**, meaning to strengthen, to make firm, to restore vigor. In Exodus 9:12, it shows that God strengthened Pharaoh’s heart — letting him regain his willpower to keep fighting, rather than collapsing under the plagues.

Also,

in John 1 it says the Son , the Son , the Son in the Hebraic Covenantal relationship linguistic construct...the Word the Word the Word is the Greeked up abstract...check out Hebrewgospeldotcom for a better understanding (Hebraic God centric covenantal construct vs Greeked me-ism center (My faith, my loyalty my belief) Its all about....His faithfulness and His loyalty and His Kinsman Redeemer Salvation...not our underperforming faithfulness.

We are His Sons made in His image that the enemy corrupted that He made total atonement for...those He Justified He glorified...Our destiny is guaranteed by the Father Himself...!!

Do you understand this strengthening for the purpose of repentance? In other words, the Lord was giving him time to repent even though He knew he was never going to do it?

 

[Jordon]

sorry...this is the problem with the western Greek view...

Exodus 9:12 (one of the key places where God is said to “harden” Pharaoh’s heart):

Hebrew text:

וַיְחַזֵּק יְהוָה אֶת־לֵב פַּרְעֹה​

Transliteration:

Vayyĕḥazzēq YHWH ’et-lēv Par‘ōh​

Literal meaning:

“And the LORD strengthened the heart of Pharaoh.”​

Word Breakdown

• וַיְחַזֵּק (vayyĕḥazzēq)**
  • Root: חָזַק (ḥāzaq)**
  • Meaning: to be strong, to strengthen, to restore, to prevail, to encourage.
  • In this verse: “God strengthened” — i.e., He allowed Pharaoh to regain strength.
• לֵב (lēv)**
  • Meaning: heart, inner will, resolve.
  • Here: Pharaoh’s inner determination.

So the verse literally says: “The LORD strengthened Pharaoh’s heart.” God did not force Pharaoh into rebellion but rather allowed him to recover his strength to continue resisting.


Summary
The Hebrew word is חָזַק (ḥāzaq)**, meaning to strengthen, to make firm, to restore vigor. In Exodus 9:12, it shows that God strengthened Pharaoh’s heart — letting him regain his willpower to keep fighting, rather than collapsing under the plagues.

Also,

in John 1 it says the Son , the Son , the Son in the Hebraic Covenantal relationship linguistic construct...the Word the Word the Word is the Greeked up abstract...check out Hebrewgospeldotcom for a better understanding (Hebraic God centric covenantal construct vs Greeked me-ism center (My faith, my loyalty my belief) Its all about....His faithfulness and His loyalty and His Kinsman Redeemer Salvation...not our underperforming faithfulness.

We are His Sons made in His image that the enemy corrupted that He made total atonement for...those He Justified He glorified...Our destiny is guaranteed by the Father Himself...!!

I know who you are,

You are the The 5th Genez.

Goodbye I gave you the answer.


Life existed before sin

And if the lord says to you

from whomever, you have always been, you know straight away he's speaking to the life in you, then you realise the life in you has always been, The same life in Adam, the life and the word sir.

The same life That God decreed every knee shall bow.
Before there was no sin

And I'm not arguing with your computer sir.

The word was God and became Flesh, which was from the begining to..

The word from the beginning which was the same word spoken in the bible.

That word that was spoken from the life that's always been and always was, was that every knee shall bow, before there was no sin.

That word was decreed.

That word decreed all have fallen short of the glory.


You sir have fallen short given glory to pharaoh.

 

[Caveman]

I know who you are,

You are the The 5th Genez.

Goodbye I gave you the answer.


Life existed before sin

And if the lord says to you

from whomever, you have always been, you know straight away he's speaking to the life in you, then you realise the life in you has always been, The same life in Adam, the life and the word sir.

The same life That God decreed every knee shall bow.
Before there was no sin

And I'm not arguing with your computer sir.

The word was God and became Flesh, which was from the begining to..

The word from the beginning which was the same word spoken in the bible.

That word that was spoken from the life that's always been and always was, was that every knee shall bow, before there was no sin.

That word was decreed.

That word decreed all have fallen short of the glory.


You sir have fallen short given glory to pharaoh.

We have NT Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts that says John 1 is the Son...not the Word...HebrewGosepldotcom if you want to investigate for yourself...or keep your Greeked up mess that says God hardened Pharoahs heart...I'm 67 yrs old BTW.

 

[Caveman]

We have NT Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts that says John 1 is the Son...not the Word...HebrewGosepldotcom if you want to investigate for yourself...or keep your Greeked up mess that says God hardened Pharoahs heart...I'm 67 yrs old BTW.

The fact you think God hardened Pharaohs heart tells me you don't know much..because you didn't even know that.. sorry just sayin

 

[Jordon]

We have NT Hebrew Sephardic manuscripts that says John 1 is the Son...not the Word...HebrewGosepldotcom if you want to investigate for yourself...or keep your Greeked up mess that says God hardened Pharoahs heart...I'm 67 yrs old BTW.

Sir if your not the 5th genez I apologize but your sure acting like him.

I'll say one last time sir.

When life was breathed into Adam, so was his word.

Life and word are the same.

So you see sir the life is speaking to his word in you.

Every knee shall bow all tho spoken in the bible was spoken from the beginning to the life and word in you and in everyone. Before there was no sin

Every knee shall bow.

Theres no life in you without his word

 

[Caveman]

Do you understand this strengthening for the purpose of repentance? In other words, the Lord was giving him time to repent even though He knew he was never going to do it?

Sorry just saw this...Pharoah is representative of all sinners (stiff necked and rebellious). God is Love and even His Wrath IS meant to turn a rebellious heart around (repent) to respond to His call of Covenantal relationship that he provided by the Atonement; where He Justified the ungodly...this was already done in Gods mind before the foundation of the world...Christ crucified.

Pharoah died in the flesh but since Christ who made Atonement is our Kinsman Redeemer and the Atonement Justified the ungodly, even Pharoah will eventually call on God and be restored. How do I know this...Those He Justified He Also Glorified...our ultimate destiny is guaranteed by the Covenant Faithfulness of The Father Himself...not on the basis of our unreliable faith, belief or loyalty or deservedness. No one deserves His pardon!

The Greek western view skews the Gospel and says eternal punishment is an eternity...that is not the Hebraic view at all. The Hebraic view of eternity is a point beyond our view ...though God sees and knows.

Also,

in John 1 it says the Son , the Son , the Son in the Hebraic Covenantal relationship linguistic construct...the Word the Word the Word is the Greeked up abstract...check out Hebrewgospeldotcom for a better understanding (Hebraic God centric covenantal construct vs Greeked me-ism center (My faith, my loyalty my belief) Its all about....His faithfulness and His loyalty and His Kinsman Redeemer Salvation...not our underperforming faithfulness.

We are His Sons made in His image that the enemy corrupted that He made total atonement for...those He Justified He glorified...Our destiny is guaranteed by the Father Himself...!!

 

[Jordon]

Sorry just saw this...Pharoah is representative of all sinners (stiff necked and rebellious). God is Love and even His Wrath IS meant to turn a rebellious heart around (repent) to respond to His call of Covenantal relationship that he provided by the Atonement; where He Justified the ungodly...this was already done in Gods mind before the foundation of the world...Christ crucified.

Pharoah died in the flesh but since Christ who made Atonement is our Kinsman Redeemer and the Atonement Justified the ungodly, even Pharoah will eventually call on God and be restored. How do I know this...Those He Justified He Also Glorified...our ultimate destiny is guaranteed by the Covenant Faithfulness of The Father Himself...not on the basis of our unreliable faith, belief or loyalty or deservedness. No one deserves His pardon!

The Greek western view skews the Gospel and says eternal punishment is an eternity...that is not the Hebraic view at all. The Hebraic view of eternity is a point beyond our view ...though God sees and knows.

Also,

in John 1 it says the Son , the Son , the Son in the Hebraic Covenantal relationship linguistic construct...the Word the Word the Word is the Greeked up abstract...check out Hebrewgospeldotcom for a better understanding (Hebraic God centric covenantal construct vs Greeked me-ism center (My faith, my loyalty my belief) Its all about....His faithfulness and His loyalty and His Kinsman Redeemer Salvation...not our underperforming faithfulness.

We are His Sons made in His image that the enemy corrupted that He made total atonement for...those He Justified He glorified...Our destiny is guaranteed by the Father Himself...!!

The enemy is is you insulting Gods word with a western greek view .

Then your labelling it on me, huh


Then trying to over power his word blaming the enemy still after 3 attempts you haven't accepted every knee will bow, then your using more greek to be more authoritative with.

Which by the way was probably a language used to silence people with, when the lord divided languages.

But you have freedom of thought to express, anyway I spoke English, and I'm not about to start learning greek.

So find someone else to speak greek with, I'm not interested.