He didn't break his promise to Israel because he gave them the new covenant which transformed them into the holy nation of God born from above that will last forever.
Replacement Theology
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He didn't break his promise to Israel because he gave them the new covenant which transformed them into the holy nation of God born from above that will last forever.
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Israel was 100% about the tribes/Joseph.
100%
Maybe reread romans.
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1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Also, The Jews are vividly depicted in Hosea.
PURCHASED BACK AT THE END.
Romans and Hosea destroy replacement theology.
I commented that only a remnant is saved, and then you responded with an lol and scripture that says only a remnant is saved. Can you make your point better than that?
Good point.
They tell us "No more ethnic jews"...so the Jews of today are fake.
Tell that to the Aztecs, or the Navajo.
Sorry
Yes a remnant will be saved.
I see members here with replacement theology taught by men.
My bible does not teach any such thing.
When you look realistically, the bloodlines that Israel and Judah are supposedly so proud of are missing. It's not been proven by genealogical records that any man or woman can go back that far. After all, it's been 2,000 years and they refer to the Dispersion quite often .
At least with the American Indians, there are some records scattered about. That's to be expected in a 200 years period+/-.
Since the Dispersion, 2,000 years is 10X that.
I wouldn't be surprised if we all have a little Semite DNA in us.
The Bible says to not even give heed to genealogies. There's a lot of Pastors who insist on doing just the opposite.
A couple of my local friends follow big name pastors who have really driven into them the physical bloodline of the Non-Jew Abraham while teaching a DIFFERENT FAITH than that which Abraham had.
Do you see what I mean?
Tim. 1:4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
I'm glad we can discuss those things and still be friends. It is an emotional issue for some though.
Exodus 19:5-6 calls Israel his chosen people IF they keep His covenant. Deuteronomy 7:6 says the same thing without a condition, but only because after 40 years only the faithful remained alive (Deut. 4:4).
Christians, who are Jews or Gentiles, are Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:7)
Christians and believing Jews are one people. Romans 11 indeed says all Israel will be saved when Jesus comes--yes, they will believe too and be part of the church. Being grafted in means they are one olive tree. The remant of Israel are elect = chosen (Rom. 11:7), the rest are not chosen.
John 10:16 says there will be one flock and one shepherd. They will live in the New Jerusalem which has the names of the Apostles and twelve tribes in Revelation 21.
The 144,000 are ethnic Israelites who are part of the great multitude from all nations in Revelation 7.
Still God will bless those who bless Jacob and curse those who curse him (Gen. 27:29). So don't be anti-Semitic.
Christians, who are Jews or Gentiles, are Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:7)
Christians and believing Jews are one people. Romans 11 indeed says all Israel will be saved when Jesus comes--yes, they will believe too and be part of the church. Being grafted in means they are one olive tree. The remant of Israel are elect = chosen (Rom. 11:7), the rest are not chosen.
John 10:16 says there will be one flock and one shepherd. They will live in the New Jerusalem which has the names of the Apostles and twelve tribes in Revelation 21.
The 144,000 are ethnic Israelites who are part of the great multitude from all nations in Revelation 7.
Still God will bless those who bless Jacob and curse those who curse him (Gen. 27:29). So don't be anti-Semitic.
Hey Greenonion, how many Jewish nations do we have?
"The 144,000 are ethnic Israelites who are part of the great multitude from all nations in Revelation 7."
144000 are in Rev. 7:4-8. Rev. 7:9-17 describes a multitude from all nations. Israel will just be one of those nations.Hey Greenonion, how many Jewish nations do we have?
"The 144,000 are ethnic Israelites who are part of the great multitude from all nations in Revelation 7."
Read again ple
Not sure why do you lumped Revelation 7:4-8 with Revelation:9-17?
Revelation 7:4-8, these are the 12 tribes chosen.
Revelation 7:9-17, these are saved saints after the great tribulation.
Revelation 7:9 has ALL nations, so Israel should be included. I lumped them together because they are in the same chapter. I guess it is more of my interpretation than hard evidence that the 144,000 are part of the great multitude, so more explaining my point of view rather than using it as evidence of some sort.
God did not replace Israel, He continued it under Jesus.
People replaced Israel with modern "Israel" without His command.
Psalm,
I see in those verses a strong defense for the free offer of the gospel to the usaved Israelites.
I also see here as in many other parts of the Bible strong evidence of God's regard for the children of His faithful people.
God's regard for the children of believers continues into the NT too, ie Acts 2:39-42.
The matter that Paul is concerned about (and indeed hopeful about) regarding his relatives is all about salvation.
He wants them to become Christians, and believes that a remnant of them will.
Nowhere in Rom 9-11 have I found any instruction to build a new political entity under the name of Israel.
Nowhere are we told to support this "Israel" over Palestine.
The 144000 were sealed first.
I have always thought that they are the first fruits of old Israel.
Why do so many people seem confident that they come from a future nation?
It is a big subject, hard to do justice to it on a forum like this. I will try to keep it short.
God made a covenant with Abraham before there was ever a nation and people of Israel. God's covenant with Abraham included the land then known as Caanan. God's covenant with Abraham was everlasting and unconditional.
God reaffirmed His covenant many times. Israel was offered and accepted the covenant of laws. They broke that covenant. They suffered the penalties that God established for disobedience. At no time did God rescind His covenant with Abraham. When will that covenant end?
Jeremiah 31:35-37
"Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the LORD of Hosts is His name:
“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence, declares the LORD, would Israel’s descendants ever cease to be a nation before Me.” This is what the LORD says: “Only if the heavens above could be measured and the foundations of the earth below searched out
would I reject all of Israel’s descendants because of all they have done...”
The sun came out today, the moon and stars are out and the surf is pounding the shores. God's covenant with Israel stands.
There will be a new heavens and a new earth. There will be no light because Jesus is the Light. And that is when God's covenant with Israel expires. The church comes out of Israel - salvation is of the Jews. Christians are grafted in. You do not cut down the tree after the graft is inserted. Both tree and graft die.
Read all of Jeremiah 31 and Romans 9-11.
You are chosen? Good, so am I. Who dares fault God for His choices? I do wonder at times, "Why me?" God chose Israel, the least of the nations. Why? For His glory. 8 million Jews are staring down 400+ million hostile Arabs and other Muslims. They've been doing this for 77 years. So much for Allah Akbar.
None so blind...............
Have you heard of the first testament? It's also wrongly called the old testament. It's the only scriptures the early church had.
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." 2 Timothy 3:16
It is unwise to argue from silence. The first 40 books of the Bible include all that you need to know about Israel the nation and the people.
You don't even know that there has never been a Palestine as an independent nation or people. They are Arabs, descendants of Ishmael and so Israel's bitter enemy. The so-called Palestinian people is a construct out of thin air, courtesy of the terrorist Yasser Arafat.
Have you ever wondered why so-called Palestinians are refused entry into any other Muslim nation? Other Muslims are not that stupid. You have to be an ignorant Westerner to take them in. And even more ignorant to fund those terrorists.
The god of this world blinds the eyes of those who are perishing. What is even more tragic is the blindness of believers who refuse to accept God's word on the issue.
What needs to be on the table is what romans 11 says.
You added some non applicable stuff in there.
If you read it without spin, omissions, additives and doctrine, it is beyond clear.
Isreal regathered, purchased at the end.
The 144k ETHNIC JEWS IN REVELATION, are exactly what they are depicted as.
Replacement theology is 100% against romans 11.
You have demonstrated that.
That is the new talking point of the replacement theology.
We have a new and better covenant.
The Jews regathered , are gathered via Jesus.
Nobody gets in outside Jesus.
The 144k Jews are ETHNIC MESSIANIC JEWS.
IT CLEARLY CLEARLY SAYS WHAT THEY ARE.
Your doctrine is way off.
That is why , under your doctrine you have no knowledge of Ruth, or Hosea.
Under your doctrine, God's message in Ruth and Hosea is MEANINGLESS.
Try and fit your doctrine in those 2 books.
They test fit those books OUTSIDE replacement theology.
You need so much changed.
1) Ruth
2) Hosea
3) the 144k
4) "firstfruits "
5) Rev 14
NONE OF THAT FITS REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY.
ALL of must be changed.
All of it.