Are you temporary saved or saved?

[Me_Clay]

You need God, Jesus, Holy Spirt + your belief = Eternal life

You cannot have any missing part in one of them, including your belief

All three play a crucial role in our salvation program

Without God: you never know his word

The Holy Spirit brings the word into your heart.

Jesus pays for your sins

Everyone is given the chance from God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit to receive salvation.

But a person must believe in Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who pay for your sins.

Jesus took the wrath of God on our behalf

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Matthew 26:44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

A Catholic can have God and Jesus + his/her belief.

The missing part is the Holy Spirit.

Or any Christian not just the Catholic

That salvation is only temporary, meaning you're temporary saved.

Until your name is blotted out from the book of life.

Your name must remained in the book of life to be saved.

There's another type of Christian who they think they're born again.

This is what they have: God +Jesus+Carnal spirit = Everlasting Contempt, Hypocrite.

Their carnal spirit or nature still trying to earn salvation.

You say, "are they saved or lost?" The answer would be God only know.

A person can change, just like the right cross thief

Both thieves were mocking at Jesus in the beginning

But the Holy Spirit brings God's word into their hearts. The left thief rejected it with anger, to pierce a stony heart would have resulted in anger and pain

The right cross thief have a different aspect, his heart accepted God's word and ask Jesus to remember him, he even acknowledged Jesus is God and they're sinners who deserved to be punished.

What are your thoughts?

Can you feel the Holy Spirit is trying to reach your heart ?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Obey the words of Jesus and follow what his servants wrote in scripture and you will see Jesus grow within you

 

[studentoftheword]

Thread Title

Are you temporary saved or saved?

These are my thoughts on your post -------

There is no such thing as being Temporally saved -----your either Saved or your not Saved ----your salvation is secure once your Saved -----unless you personally Totally and completely renounce your Saving Faith -----which will not likely happen once you have Tasted the Goodness and the Blessings that comes from receiving Jesus as your Lord ans Saviour and having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ----

There is ONE GOD ONLY -----3 Persons with different functions ------


You have to have the right Faith inbirthed in you to be saved ----and that Saving Faith comes from Hearing the WORD ---- not the Holy Spirit -------The Holy Spirit comes after you receive Jesus in your heart

Without God: you never know his word[/QUOTE]

I say -----Unbelievers can read the LOGOS (written ) Word ------but cannot understand the Spiritual Meaning behind the Written Word ------which is called the (Spoken )Rhema Word ======

A Catholic can have God and Jesus + his/her belief.

The missing part is the Holy Spirit.

Or any Christian not just the Catholic

That salvation is only temporary, meaning you're temporary saved

I say -----------This is totally False Doctrine here FOLKS ------

First ---being saved has nothing to do with any Catholic or any other denomination-----being saved is a personal choice that each person has to make for themselves ---and they have to get the right Faith inbirthed in them from hearing God's word -----

If God the Father has changed your Hardened Heart to a flesh heart that can accept the Gospel ---then you will have the right Faith inbirthed in you to Receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and immediately after you accept Jesus the Holy Spirit comes to live in you ------and you are forever Saved ----

So the Holy Spirit cannot be Missing if you receive Jesus ------
So I have no idea where this person gets this from -----

Until your name is blotted out from the book of life.

I say ------Your name is blotted out of the Book of life if you do not Receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----by the end of the 7 year Tribulation -----

Your name must remained in the book of life to be saved.

I say --------WELL -----If the person has Received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour ---their Name remains in the Book of Life ------

There's another type of Christian who they think they're born again.

I say -------No the Carnal Christian is Born Again ---they are a Babe In Christ ====they have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and are 100% SAVED ----But their MIND is still in the World's way of Thinking ----they have to RENEW their MIND to Christ's way of thinking ---this starts when you start to mature and get from the Milk of the Scripture to the Meat of the Scripture -----


-YOUR QUOTE ----This is what they have: God +Jesus+Carnal spirit = Everlasting Contempt, Hypocrite.

I say -----it is a Carnal Mind ---Not a Carnal Spirit -----we have a Human Tainted Corrupt Spirit ---

I say -----So-This is a False Statement ------they have have Received Jesus by and through His Faith and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit -----so their Spirit is HOLY and they are Heaven bound but they think like the World thinks so their MINDS are still Carnal --They need a MIND CHANGE ---so they do not have Everlasting Contempt but I do agree they can be A Hypocrite at times -----like most True Christians can as well ---we can all fall into the Hypocrite status at times ----

YOUR QUOTE ------Their carnal spirit or nature still trying to earn salvation.

I say -----There is no such thing in Scripture as a Carnal Spirit ----it is a Carnal Mind ----and a HUMAN tainted SPIRIT ----

I say ---------they already have been Saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit ----so they are NOT Trying to EARN their Salvation -------their old Sin Nature is no longer -----they are not a Sinner any longer they are a Saint ------their Nature has been changed ---from corrupt to Holy

YOUR QUOTE ------You say, "are they saved or lost?" The answer would be God only know.

I SAY -------I believe you can tell if a person is Saved or Not by the Fruit they bear -or Write on a post here on this sight ----

A person can change, just like the right cross thief

I say ----The thief on the Cross who was Saved had the right Faith and believed Jesus was the sent Messiah -----so he was saved -----the other thief was not saved ------

Both thieves were mocking at Jesus in the beginning

I say -----No -----only ONE Thief mocked Jesus ---the other thief Believed ---

But the Holy Spirit brings God's word into their hearts.

I SAY _---Well ---the Holy Spirit gives the True Believer the Spoken Word of God --the Rhema Word -that is He illuminates the meaning of those words to our hearts and minds as we read them, pray over them, and dwell on them.

The right cross thief have a different aspect, his heart accepted God's word and ask Jesus to remember him, he even acknowledged Jesus is God

I say ----You are right here -----this Thief accepted God the Father's Drawing and had his Hardened heart changed to an acceptable Heart ----and He Believed who Jesus was and Professed his Faith by admitting that Jesus was God -----and this is what saved him ------

 

[p_rehbein]

There are so many weird concepts in the OP, I'm not sure what the Author is saying/or understands about salvation.

I agree there is no such thing as temporary salvation. Those who are saved know they are saved. Does not mean they are perfect, or can not sin, simply means that from their salvation the chains of sin are forever broken, and they are a new creature with a new heart.

Regarding the Holy Trinity:

God the Father: God OF man. God desired a personal relationship with His children so He created His salvation plan.

God the Son: God AS man. The precious blood of Jesus paid the price for the sins of man which made it possible for those who believe to be worthy of being called the children of God.

God the Holy Ghost: God WITHIN man. The Holy Ghost is the comforter promised by Jesus that would be the Teacher and Protector of Gods children.

Regarding salvation: Please read and understand John 3:16!

Again: Those of us who are saved KNOW we are saved. The indwelling presence of the Holy Ghose is our sanctification!

SALVATION IS BY BELIEF IN JESUS THE CHRIST!

 

[Karlon]

there's no such thing as temporary saved. we either are or aren't saved.

 

[mailmandan]

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

 

[Dino246]

Ephesians 1:13-14 "you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession"

 

[Me_Clay]

Thank you everyone who responded and contributed.

Stay tuned for Part 2: Are you temporary saved or saved?

1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[Dino246]

Stay tuned for Part 2

Please don't start a new thread on the same subject.

 

[Me_Clay]

Dear Dino246

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Thanks and kind regards
Clay

 

[Ceph]

Anyone who truly beleives that Jesus is the Christ who saves them is eternally saved, and no one can pluck them out of Gods hand.
If this were not the case, the prayer of Jesus in John 17 would be void.
Many rise & fall in the faith, as the sayings are written;
Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary, his mother, “Behold, this child is appointed for the falling and the rising of many in Israel, and for a sign which is spoken against. Yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.” (Luke 2:34)
“Everyone serves the good wine first, and when the guests have drunk freely, then that which is worse. You have kept the good wine until now!” This beginning of his signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him. (John 2:10)

As many who beleive would be steadfast theroughout their whole life as soon as they first beleive, there are still those who must undergo a gradual conversion before they're ready to be harvested.
Remember the prodigal son, and the teachings of paul.

 

[HeIsHere]

Thank you @mailmandan while we have a few different interpretations.... I appreciate your tireless defense of the clear, true, complete Gospel of Christ Jesus and you should know it.

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

Amen!

 

[Dino246]

Dear Dino246

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Thanks and kind regards
Clay

Your point?

 

[GWH]

Matt. 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

Rom. 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”

1Cor. 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”

Gal. 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”

Col. 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”

2Thes. 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”

2Tim. 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”

Heb. 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”

Heb. 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.” This passage indicates that apostasy may be viewed as total depravity or blasphemy against the HS (MT 12:31).

Heb. 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”

Jam. 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”

2Pet. 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

2Pet. 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”

1John 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”

Jude 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”

Rev. 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”

 

[Weered84]

You are only saved by Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross, that is the whole point we all are sinners who "fall short of the glory of God" we are saved"through faith, so noone can boast" there is nothing we can do to be saved other than truly hand ourselves over to the Lord Jesus Christ, to lead us, cleanse us trusting in him and accepting his forgiveness to make us 'clean' there is only ONE way too be saved, by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY through him xx

 

[Me_Clay]

You are only saved by Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross, that is the whole point we all are sinners who "fall short of the glory of God" we are saved"through faith, so noone can boast" there is nothing we can do to be saved other than truly hand ourselves over to the Lord Jesus Christ, to lead us, cleanse us trusting in him and accepting his forgiveness to make us 'clean' there is only ONE way too be saved, by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, ONLY through him xx

The Catholic and Calvinist and Lutheran and Orthodox and Others claimed the same thing. Does it means they're saved by the will of God?

 

[Weered84]

The Catholic and Calvinist and Lutheran and Orthodox and Others claimed the same thing. Does it means they're saved by the will of God?

We're saved by the 'GRACE' of God through FAITH , his will is that we choose too accept that we cannot save ourselves, only he can, repent and accept him into our hearts as Lord and Saviour.

 

[HeIsHere]

We're saved by the 'GRACE' of God through FAITH , his will is that we choose too accept that we cannot save ourselves, only he can, repent and accept him into our hearts as Lord and Saviour.

We first receive his gift of salvation and because of this He resides in our hearts.
Salvation is about receiving, it is a gift.

 

[Me_Clay]

We first receive his gift of salvation and because of this He resides in our hearts.
Salvation is about receiving, it is a gift.

How do we receive this salvation?

 

[HeIsHere]

How do we receive this salvation?

Being persuaded it is true.... and believing in/ placing your faith in Christ Jesus to receive it.