Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View
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And if another verse says baptism or anything else is necessary then to say it's not because it's not mentioned in a specific verse, this too is argument from silence - the fallacy of exclusion (cherry-picking) - the lack of mention does not prove exclusion.
Watch the claims of fallacy that are only used one way.
Isn't faith required and not a work?
Then so too is obedience as faith is the obedient response to the Gospel, so faith/obedience.
Come on, man.
He did not say "obedience matters".
He said "Obedience to God's voice is the pre-eminent theme of the entire bible".
I will also add that obedience to God is the source of all blessings throughout the Bible.
Just different than your faith + non-meritorious works classifying obedience as meritorious work and shifting the entire concept of genuine faith.
Obeying God's voice in faith is a work for these two.
Usually when someone self declares that they have
"cornered you logically" they are simply presenting a false front.
The key words here are "self declares".
That’s fine — sarcasm doesn’t change truth.
Grace is still unearned favor, not a metaphysical energy or substance.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.” — Ephesians 2:8 KJV
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Haha that post by TruthDefender is a classic baptismal-regeneration prooftext chain — he is linking Mark 16:16 KJV, John 3:5 KJV, and Acts 2:38 KJV to argue that salvation is conditional on baptism.
Each of those verses has to be read in context, not fused into a formula.
Mark 16:16 JHV says, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned.” Notice the condemnation is for unbelief — not the absence of baptism. Belief is the dividing line.
John 3:5 KJV speaks of being born “of water and Spirit.” In Scripture, water consistently symbolizes cleansing by the Word and the Spirit’s renewing (Ephesians 5:26 KJV; Titus 3:5 KJV) — not ritual immersion.
Acts 2:38 KJV describes Peter’s call to repent and be baptized because their sins had been remitted through faith in the crucified Christ they had just believed on (Acts 2:37 KJV). Baptism followed belief; it didn’t cause forgiveness.
Salvation rests on the finished work of Christ, received by faith — and the fruit of that faith is obedience, not the foundation of grace.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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That line perfectly captures what’s happening in the thread: they’re trying to merge grace with works (specifically baptism and obedience) so that salvation becomes something earned or completed by us, rather than something freely given by God through faith.
In other words:
- They’re not denying “grace” outright — they’re redefining it as a process dependent on human response.
- That effectively removes the work of grace as Scripture defines it (Romans 4:4-5 KJV; Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV).
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
Acts2:38 does not say "because" making baptism after forgiveness.
Acts2:38 puts forgiveness of sins and receipt of the Holy Spirit at or after baptism.
This has been repeatedly explained and proven by more than one poster and is continually ignored and the error reposted.
Standard faith-alone theology that empties faith of its biblical substance and labels every obedient response God commands for salvation as a work - including the command to believe.
Complete misrepresentation of most non-faith-alone theology views of grace.
That’s not a misrepresentation at all — it’s exactly the distinction Paul makes.
Faith receives what God has done; works try to earn what He offers.
Romans 4:5 KJV couldn’t be clearer: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
When you turn belief itself into a meritorious act or prerequisite performance, you’ve crossed from grace that saves into grace that waits for you to finish saving yourself.
Grace doesn’t need our cooperation to be real — it needs our trust to be received.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
Haha that post by TruthDefender is a classic baptismal-regeneration prooftext chain — he is linking Mark 16:16 KJV, John 3:5 KJV, and Acts 2:38 KJV to argue that salvation is conditional on baptism.
Each of those verses has to be read in context, not fused into a formula.
Mark 16:16 JHV says, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned.” Notice the condemnation is for unbelief — not the absence of baptism. Belief is the dividing line.
John 3:5 KJV speaks of being born “of water and Spirit.” In Scripture, water consistently symbolizes cleansing by the Word and the Spirit’s renewing (Ephesians 5:26 KJV; Titus 3:5 KJV) — not ritual immersion.
Acts 2:38 KJV describes Peter’s call to repent and be baptized because their sins had been remitted through faith in the crucified Christ they had just believed on (Acts 2:37 KJV). Baptism followed belief; it didn’t cause forgiveness.
Salvation rests on the finished work of Christ, received by faith — and the fruit of that faith is obedience, not the foundation of grace.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
You’re ignorant of God’s word! You believe in a man made creed which wrests Scripture.
Fully geared up for ignore. Preferred, actually.
Genuine faith actively and obediently receives what God has done and provided.
Agree re: works.
"saving yourself" is misrepresentation of what most non-faith-alone are saying and sounds very much like the claim Calvinists make against those who disagree with determinism.
Believing/Trusting Obedience is cooperation - required cooperation properly defined as I've previously done.
Haha that post by TruthDefender is a classic baptismal-regeneration prooftext chain — he is linking Mark 16:16 KJV, John 3:5 KJV, and Acts 2:38 KJV to argue that salvation is conditional on baptism.
Each of those verses has to be read in context, not fused into a formula.
Mark 16:16 JHV says, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned.” Notice the condemnation is for unbelief — not the absence of baptism. Belief is the dividing line.
John 3:5 KJV speaks of being born “of water and Spirit.” In Scripture, water consistently symbolizes cleansing by the Word and the Spirit’s renewing (Ephesians 5:26 KJV; Titus 3:5 KJV) — not ritual immersion.
Acts 2:38 KJV describes Peter’s call to repent and be baptized because their sins had been remitted through faith in the crucified Christ they had just believed on (Acts 2:37 KJV). Baptism followed belief; it didn’t cause forgiveness.
Salvation rests on the finished work of Christ, received by faith — and the fruit of that faith is obedience, not the foundation of grace.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
You’re ignorant of God’s word! You believe in a man made creed which wrests Scripture. You can’t even comprehend the following verse correctly!!
You stated: [Mark 16:16 JHV says, “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned.” Notice the condemnation is for unbelief — not the absence of baptism. Belief is the dividing line.]
Any 2nd grader can tell you its Belief and Baptism that will save you, as the verse states. Anybody that says otherwise is wresting Scripture to fit their distorted creed.