God did not make me a sinner when He created me.
The claim God made everyone to be a sinner and it's His fault that man lives in sin - no, I'll pass on that false doctrine
Loss of salvation???
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God did not make me a sinner when He created me.
The claim God made everyone to be a sinner and it's His fault that man lives in sin - no, I'll pass on that false doctrine
Water was about our natural first birth...
The mother "breaking water."
We must be naturally born first (water), and then spiritually born.
Born again!
Otherwise, we do not receive regeneration in the moment of water baptism.
We are to get born again first and then water baptized as we see the Apostles doing in the Book of Acts.
If baptism was not required as part of salvation, then the Apostles in the Book of Acts must have been being led by the devil eh?
They never taught anybody that water baptism was option but it was in fact something they did after people got born again.
You are conflating Pentecost's type of Spirit baptism for the baptism of the Holy Spirit that all believers receive.
We all receive different gifts from the Holy Spirit.
At Pentecost, they received a special gift needed for evangelizing the world.
1 Corinthians 12:4-9
There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them.
There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.
There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone
it is the same God at work.
Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
To one there is given through the Spirit
a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same
Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit.
That's the ploy.
Play dumb when you have no good answer, and repeat your same mistake after being shown it is a mistake.
I did not claim he made you a sinner.
He planned for you to be born after Adam made you a sinner.
The disciples for three years were Jews who did not have the permanent indwelling Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth.
The needed to start learning many things after Pentecost that they could not understand previously.
Paul was a genius. The disciples were not.
Paul was given many things directly from God that he would be able to learn quickly because he started off having the indwelling Holy Spirit.
The disciples often struggled to understand Jesus' teachings and predictions, such as his foretelling of his death and resurrection, which they found difficult to grasp. This lack of understanding was highlighted in various instances throughout the Gospels, where they failed to comprehend the significance of his words and actions.
It is what it is....
Look what Jesus said!
He mentioned physical birth and spiritual birth as two different kinds of birth.
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water
and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at
my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ John 3:5-7
When flesh gives birth to flesh, the woman first breaks water.
I sat next to a woman once who suddenly broke water.
It is a major part of the flesh birth Jesus spoke about!
When a woman is about to give birth, her water breaking, or the rupture of the amniotic sac, often occurs, signaling that labor may begin soon. This can happen either during labor or before it starts, and it typically involves a trickle or gush of fluid.
Are you saying that without water baptism, you can have no forgiveness of sins?
Is that what you think?
In my mind I think that's what scripture states. So many verses come together when viewed from that vantage point. However, I'm not seeing the same thing in my heart for some reason. This is a new revelation for me, so maybe it takes time to sink in. Totally contrary to what I've believed my whole Christian life. Dunno...
Try reading 1 John 1:9.....
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
If your way were the right way?
It would mean we would all need to be water baptized after every time we sinned.
Again, Peter was mandating water baptisms only before the time he recalled the words of Jesus in Acts 1:5, about water being replaced by Spirit baptism.
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
You think I am trying to trick you?
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No, because we die in baptism. Acknowledging unrighteousness after that is sufficient to be cleansed and continue walking in the light
Where did I say the saved can become unsealed from the Holy Spirit and experience replaces scripture?
