No that was YOU and your friend studier that got busted using AI and here is the proof.
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It certainly does contradict that we are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) The apostle Paul clearly states in Romans 5:1-2 that we are justified by faith and that we have access by faith into grace. Not faith and baptism.
Oxymoron. If baptism is a condition for salvation, then salvation through faith, not works is a lie and we merit salvation (at least in part) for being water baptized. You can't have it both ways.
Cleansed from leprosy. Not cleansed from his sins. In Luke 5:12, we read about another man with leprosy who simply asked, “Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean.” 13 Then He put out His hand and touched him, saying, “I am willing; be cleansed.” Immediately the leprosy left him. No water is found here.
Now at first Naaman was offended by the command and turned away in anger. He exclaims, "Are not Abanah and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Could I not wash in them and be cleansed?" (2 Kings 5:12). Naaman's servants, however, intervene and urge him to reconsider: "My father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more then, when he tells you, 'Wash and be cleansed'?" (2 Kings 5:13). Convinced by their reasoning, Naaman finally obeys the prophet's command. He immerses himself in the Jordan River seven times, and he is healed from leprosy. This miraculous healing not only cleanses Naaman physically but also led him to acknowledge the God of Israel: "Now I know that there is no God in all the earth except in Israel" and vowed to worship Him only. (2 Kings 5:15-17
Neither man received remission of sins in water so there was no salvation to boast about. They were healed from leprosy and blindness by the grace of God. Through your flawed logic you are teaching salvation by faith plus your own personal definition of non-meritorious works.
Exactly!
A cure for leprosy and blindness in these cases yet a cure for sin requires believing in/faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..).
Flawed logic/smoke and mirrors. You are absolutely obsessed with water baptism. By refusing to place your faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, you are then forced to turn to supplements.
Their healing is still not an example of salvation by water and works.
Amen! (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; Revelation 1:5)
False. At the moment we repent (change our mind) -- new direction of this change of mind -- believe in/place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 20:21; 26:18) When only repentance is mentioned, faith is implied or assumed. When only belief/faith is mentioned, repentance is implied or assumed because they are two sides to the same coin.
I believe you were the one teaching “Union by water” in your post # 56. When you posted “Union with Christ is by faith, not by water.“. I was simply using the wording in your illustration. I’m not the one reducing Romans 6 to Union by water. I was very clear in my post # 53 that the Union you were talking about takes place in baptism. That’s what Roman’s 6:3-5 says. It just so happens that baptism in that verse where it says we are UNITED TOGETHER with Him is by water. This is not talking about “spirit” baptism. This is talking about “water” baptism. That makes my statement true—and your statement false.
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@Beckworth, people who reject the words found in Acts 2:38; Mk. 16:16; Acts 22:16; and all the other passages in Acts that teach water baptism for the remission of sins are rejecting how to be saved by the blood of Christ that remits sins. They also are showing their unbelief, as they don’t understand why one must be water baptized for the remission of sins, thinking there’s another way, a better way, but that’s exactly what Naaman had thought when he was told how to be healed from his leprosy, and so many people are trying to establish their own righteousness instead of submitting to God’s.
@Blue155, you post repeats the same error — confusing water baptism (the outward act) with the inward reality of being cleansed by Christ’s blood through faith. No one here rejects what Acts 2:38 or Acts 22:16 KJV actually say — we reject the way you’re misreading them.
In Acts 22:16, Ananias tells Paul, “arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” The cleansing happens as he calls on Christ, not by the water itself. The water is symbolic; the appeal to Christ’s name is the saving act (Romans 10:13 KJV).
Peter clarifies the same thing in 1 Peter 3:21 KJV — “not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God.” That’s faith, not physical water, that unites us with Christ’s blood.
Naaman’s story actually proves the opposite of your point — the power was never in the Jordan’s water but in believing God’s word. Faith obeys, but obedience doesn’t replace faith.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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@Beckworth, you’re confusing the symbol with the substance.
Romans 6 isn’t about water creating union with Christ — it’s describing what that union represents. Paul is explaining that when a believer trusts Christ, he’s spiritually baptized into His death and resurrection (compare 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV).
If you turn that into water, you make the act the cause of what only the Spirit accomplishes. That’s why Paul can say, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26 KJV).
Faith unites us to Christ; baptism testifies to that union. Mixing the two only confuses grace with ritual.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Amen! Well said. These folks are trying to turn a symbol into a savior.@Beckworth, you’re confusing the symbol with the substance.
Romans 6 isn’t about water creating union with Christ — it’s describing what that union represents. Paul is explaining that when a believer trusts Christ, he’s spiritually baptized into His death and resurrection (compare 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV).
If you turn that into water, you make the act the cause of what only the Spirit accomplishes. That’s why Paul can say, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26 KJV).
Faith unites us to Christ; baptism testifies to that union. Mixing the two only confuses grace with ritual.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
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Yes. You are right and I had not thought of Naaman’s first rejection of God’s word as being parallel to people of today and how they also reject God’s word for a different way that they think is better. Exactly the same. If Naaman had continued in his refusal to obey God’s instructions, he would have died a leper. Likewise, if people today refuse to get forgiveness of their sins the way God instructs in Acts 2:38, and other passages on baptism, they may die having never been forgiven of their sins. Matthew 7:22-23 comes to mind.
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You got it. And if someone doesn’t believe in what Acts 2:38 clearly and plainly says, then they aren’t gonna believe all the other passages about baptism.
This exchange reflects the baptismal regeneration error—the belief that forgiveness of sins is granted only after baptism, rather than through faith in Christ alone. It misreads Acts 2:38 by isolating it from the broader New Testament witness, where salvation is consistently shown to come by grace through faith (Eph 2:8–9 KJV), not by any outward act. You have become so dependent Blue155 on Ai to create content to post that you are now making serious theological errors when attempting to write your own material.
Acts 2:38 KJV must be read in light of the entire New Testament, not in isolation.
The people in Acts 2 already believed the gospel (v. 37). Peter told them to repent and then be baptized because of the forgiveness they were receiving through faith in Christ.
Baptism never saves by water — it identifies those who have been saved by Christ’s blood (Eph 1:7 KJV; Acts 10:43-48 KJV).
Naaman’s washing didn’t cause his healing — God’s power did when he believed and obeyed. In the same way, salvation’s power is in Christ’s finished work, not in the water that symbolizes it.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
"In the same way" means the power of Christ's finished work is what saves when we believe and obey, as Naaman did, The way you worded the last sentience is either due to an inability to reason correctly or to practiced deception.
You just restated my point — God’s power saves when one believes. That’s exactly what I said.
Naaman’s obedience didn’t create God’s power; it simply demonstrated his faith in what God had already promised. The same pattern holds in salvation:
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV) — “In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.”
Acts 10:43 (KJV) — “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
The saving power is always in Christ’s finished work, not in the act that symbolizes it. Faith obeys — but it’s Christ who saves.
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
All of your deceitful and clever uses of words doesn't change the fact that Naaman was healed because he obeyed. He wouldn't have been healed otherwise. Simple
That’s the point — Naaman’s obedience didn’t cause the healing, it connected him to what God had already promised to do.
The power wasn’t in the water or the act; it was in God’s word, received by faith.
Hebrews 11:30 (KJV) — “By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.”
2 Kings 5:14 (KJV) doesn’t say the water healed him — it says, “his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child.” God did that. Naaman’s obedience proved his faith, just as saving faith today results in obedience — but it’s still God who saves, not the work itself (Ephesians 2:8–9 KJV).
Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
https://ergonis.com/typinator
Highly Recommended - great for often cited scripture verses!
I'm convinced work-phobia is a form of mental illness. The state of denial is just unbelievable
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Blue155
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It is. The people would never argue and squabble about other real life situations when the same is applied to receive something, but will with God.
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When someone has to use jargon to get their point across, then you know it’s not adding up.
Col. 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Mt. 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.