Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jordon said:
Do you think it's normal to ask me a question on scripture to see if my views pass your anti Calvinist test ?
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Yes, it is very normal. Because if the Calvinist belief were true, it would be able to stand in light of all verses in the Bible.
So, the ball is back in your court. What do you do with 2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV? Do you just ignore it or hope we will forget about it?
What about Jonah chapter 3? Jonah told the Ninevites that in 40 days the city of Nineveh shall be overthrown. However, when the King of Nineveh told his people to cry mightily unto God and forsake their evil ways, they actually repented and turned from their wickedness. When this happened, God turned from the evil He said that He would do unto the them. Read the chapter. There is no way to insert Calvinism into this story. The Ninevites repented which then in turn led God changing what He said He was going to do unto them. It's that simple of a story. Inserting Calvinism into Jonah 3 would be eisegesis and not exegesis.




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Bible_Highlighter said:
Yes, it is very normal. Because if the Calvinist belief were true, it would be able to stand in light of all verses in the Bible.
So, the ball is back in your court. What do you do with 2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV? Do you just ignore it or hope we will forget about it?
What about Jonah chapter 3? Jonah told the Ninevites that in 40 days the city of Nineveh shall be overthrown. However, when the King of Nineveh told his people to cry mightily unto God and forsake their evil ways, they actually repented and turned from their wickedness. When this happened, God turned from the evil He said that He would do unto the them. Read the chapter. There is no way to insert Calvinism into this story. The Ninevites repented which then in turn led God changing what He said He was going to do unto them. It's that simple of a story. Inserting Calvinism into this story would be eisegesis and not exegesis.




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i asked if you think it's normal to ask me a question to see if i pass your anti Calvinist test, baring in mind I've told you I'm .not one on many occasions
 
Rufus said:
Yet, there He was for 3-1/2 years making the Galilee of the Dogs his home base. Do you know what a paradox is?

And did not Jesus know that the Canaanite woman with whom he was speaking had a heart full of faith? Have you considered that Jesus' remarks to her were designed to draw the very expression of faith out of her that she made to him?
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Yes, I understand what a paradox is, but this is not one. Jesus’ earthly ministry was clearly to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24). His exchange with the Canaanite woman was not a contradiction of that mission. It was an exception that ultimately confirmed the rule. Her faith provided a prophetic glimpse of the later inclusion of the Gentiles after Israel’s rejection of their Messiah.

Jesus tested her faith with His words, and His statement about not casting the children’s bread to dogs (Matthew 15:26) still reflects the Jewish and Gentile distinction in that time period. The woman’s persistence and humility showed she was willing to take her place under Israel’s covenantal order, and that is why Jesus commended her faith.

Regarding Galilee, the phrase “Galilee of the Gentiles” (Isaiah 9:1–2; Matthew 4:15) does not mean it was Gentile territory in the sense of His mission’s target audience. It was still part of Israel. His ministry there fulfilled prophecy that light would shine in that region of Israel first.

So no, Jesus was not ministering primarily to Gentiles or quoting from any supposed pre-Christian Septuagint. The context, history, and Scripture all show that His earthly ministry was focused on Israel first, and then the Gentiles after His resurrection (Romans 1:16; Acts 13:46).




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sawdust said:
No-one said people save themselves. How many unsaved people has God elected?
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All who become saved were unsaved at the time of their salvation, but because of (their) election by God from before the foundation of the world unto salvation, He will/must save them. The non-elect can never become saved; conversely, all of the elect must become saved. Election occurred first, salvation as a result of that.
 
Blue155 said:
You cannot prove damnable heresy to be of God. Can you try to ask a different question that way I won’t feel like a broken record?
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still no answer

You said that verse doesn't prove calvinism

I'm asking does it need to
 
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rogerg said:
All who become saved were unsaved at the time of their salvation, but because of (their) election by God from before the foundation of the world unto salvation, He will save them. The non-elect can never become saved; conversely, all of the elect must become saved. Election occurred first, salvation as a result of that.
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You make about as much sense as someone who wants to play a round of putt putt golf in the midst of a severe thunderstorm.
 
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