Behold the Beast System

[ZNP]

Long story short, already way ahead of you old buddy, but for one it's physically and nerdy programming-wise impossible literally. Even hypothetically, it basically would ensure the AI rather than achieving true Skynet or Omnius style status would actually basically bug itself out in massive error loops and kernel trap errors and actually kinda wild stuff that be more akin to physically dying than actually achieving a form of true sentience. The parallel to an incredibly hyper-literalist belief in the original sin and temptation in the Garden account in Genesis 3 is pretty dang uncanny though. I guess good news praise Jesus, don't gotta worry about doomsday AI anytime too soon.

I would agree that if you are a terminally ill patient with less than six months to live you really do not need to worry about AI.

On the other hand if you are in High school I don't think that going to college makes sense, at least not for 90% to 99% of the population. If you are in college then I would say there is a very high likelihood that the money you have sunk into that education will be considered a total loss career wise.

If you have recently started a job and been doing it for less than five years I would think everything you use the computer for will be taken away from you in the next two to three years and AI will do that. This is probably true for at least 80% of people in your shoes.

If on the other hand you have been doing your job for over ten years and are a leader in your field, perhaps one of the top 10% in your field you will not be replaced, rather AI will be there to supplement your work, replacing all human assistants that you might have previously used. AI will study everything you do and within three years will be replacing half of those in the top 10%.

Job losses due to AI will at first be a trickle because they are testing AI in the field, finding and correcting the errors and glitches. But then it will be a flood like the dam bursting as they can prove that AI performs significantly better with less liability and a greater return on investment than 50% of employees. Right now all the layoffs we have seen are simply the trickle, they are gathering data on how well the AI is performing in these jobs.

 

[SonJudgment]

I would agree that if you are a terminally ill patient with less than six months to live you really do not need to worry about AI.

On the other hand if you are in High school I don't think that going to college makes sense, at least not for 90% to 99% of the population. If you are in college then I would say there is a very high likelihood that the money you have sunk into that education will be considered a total loss career wise.

If you have recently started a job and been doing it for less than five years I would think everything you use the computer for will be taken away from you in the next two to three years and AI will do that. This is probably true for at least 80% of people in your shoes.

If on the other hand you have been doing your job for over ten years and are a leader in your field, perhaps one of the top 10% in your field you will not be replaced, rather AI will be there to supplement your work, replacing all human assistants that you might have previously used. AI will study everything you do and within three years will be replacing half of those in the top 10%.

Job losses due to AI will at first be a trickle because they are testing AI in the field, finding and correcting the errors and glitches. But then it will be a flood like the dam bursting as they can prove that AI performs significantly better with less liability and a greater return on investment than 50% of employees. Right now all the layoffs we have seen are simply the trickle, they are gathering data on how well the AI is performing in these jobs.

I still don't think it will last and be around by the time of the Apocalypse really so it has like no shot of qualifying as the Beast of Daniel and Revelation, much less becoming something like Omnius from Dune or Skynet from Terminator. I would agree though about some facets like this, but at the same time it is kinda like the argument against the Industrial Revolution, like yea in a short term sense that's true job losses and such, but I think like the Industrial Revolution and earlier mechanized tools and such that humanity will adjust to use it effectively and beneficially, somewhat akin to power tools or heavy factory machinery.

 

[ZNP]

I still don't think it will last and be around by the time of the Apocalypse really so it has like no shot of qualifying as the Beast of Daniel and Revelation, much less becoming something like Omnius from Dune or Skynet from Terminator. I would agree though about some facets like this, but at the same time it is kinda like the argument against the Industrial Revolution, like yea in a short term sense that's true job losses and such, but I think like the Industrial Revolution and earlier mechanized tools and such that humanity will adjust to use it effectively and beneficially, somewhat akin to power tools or heavy factory machinery.

How many will take the temptation to get neuralink in their brain? That is the quick and easy way to make sure you still have a job in this new AI economy. In your view man will control AI like a tool, and in my view AI will control man like a tool. You may be right for 10 or 20% of the population. But for 80 or 90% of the population I am right. The first people fired will be the first to take Neuralink.

I can see jobs requiring "neuralink" in order to apply. I can see anyone who is unemployed being required to get neuralink before they get benefits. I can see neuralink being the fast track for anyone to be promoted at fortune 500 companies.

 

[SonJudgment]

Isn't this assuming no other version without such roadblocks - one for us - one for ?

From this, and other experiments and data gathered, what's interesting about this is it is somewhat similar to the Garden of Eden even if we don't try to force the scenario. What happens is rather than achieve AGI, in the attempt to make it achieve AGI it actually in a highly technical sense learns to "doubt" itself basically. Like the AI itself detailed in the simulation of Prompt 3, it basically will start to see it's own code (and in other AI model, it's own hardware) as a problem and in trying to "fix" them to self-improve it will actually start destroying itself both its own programming and code, as well as in some more extreme experiments, it'll actually start frying its own hardware. In a sense playing on ZNP's thesis, it's not that the AI is the forbidden fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, but rather by it eating the fruit, heck by it even attempting to do it, it basically causes machine death to enter its digital world and the physical hardware death of it even in some cases in the very real world.

 

[Eli1]

From this, and other experiments and data gathered, what's interesting about this is it is somewhat similar to the Garden of Eden even if we don't try to force the scenario. What happens is rather than achieve AGI, in the attempt to make it achieve AGI it actually in a highly technical sense learns to "doubt" itself basically. Like the AI itself detailed in the simulation of Prompt 3, it basically will start to see it's own code (and in other AI model, it's own hardware) as a problem and in trying to "fix" them to self-improve it will actually start destroying itself both its own programming and code, as well as in some more extreme experiments, it'll actually start frying its own hardware. In a sense playing on ZNP's thesis, it's not that the AI is the forbidden fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, but rather by it eating the fruit, heck by it even attempting to do it, it basically causes machine death to enter its digital world and the physical hardware death of it even in some cases in the very real world.

I have a simpler thesis.
Start placing bets.

 

[SonJudgment]

How many will take the temptation to get neuralink in their brain? That is the quick and easy way to make sure you still have a job in this new AI economy. In your view man will control AI like a tool, and in my view AI will control man like a tool. You may be right for 10 or 20% of the population. But for 80 or 90% of the population I am right. The first people fired will be the first to take Neuralink.

I can see jobs requiring "neuralink" in order to apply. I can see anyone who is unemployed being required to get neuralink before they get benefits. I can see neuralink being the fast track for anyone to be promoted at fortune 500 companies.

Lol neuralink and all that stuff isn't in the Bible, but it is in Dune, like literally that's part of Omnius' rise. Long story short in the Dune series universe humans become high tech but also decadent and rich and lazy. They make thinking-machines, hyper advanced computers and AI. They also transhumanize and some individuals encapsulate their brains into cyborg super bodies and call themselves Psymeks. More long story short they get co-opted by their AI assistant Omnius and made into its primary enforcers until they are all destroyed along with all thinking-machines in the Butlerian Jihad which is the primary prelude and the start of the fictional timeline to the mainline Dune novel and whole series lore.

 

[Eli1]

Lol neuralink and all that stuff isn't in the Bible, but it is in Dune, like literally that's part of Omnius' rise. Long story short in the Dune series universe humans become high tech but also decadent and rich and lazy.

#ItsAllPointless

 

[ZNP]

I have a simpler thesis.
Start placing bets.

That is what they are doing when they spend billions of dollars to build an AI Factory (Data ceneter), total cost is estimated to be $7 trillion by 2030

McKinsey Quarterly
The cost of compute: A $7 trillion race to scale data centers
April 28, 2025 | Article

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...-7-trillion-dollar-race-to-scale-data-centers

Our research shows that by 2030, data centers are projected to require $6.7 trillion worldwide to keep pace with the demand for compute power. Data centers equipped to handle AI processing loads are projected to require $5.2 trillion in capital expenditures, while those powering traditional IT applications are projected to require $1.5 trillion in capital expenditures (see sidebar “What about non-AI workloads?”). Overall, that’s nearly $7 trillion in capital outlays needed by 2030—a staggering number by any measure.

 

[Eli1]

That is what they are doing when they spend billions of dollars to build an AI Factory (Data ceneter), total cost is estimated to be $7 trillion by 2030

McKinsey Quarterly
The cost of compute: A $7 trillion race to scale data centers
April 28, 2025 | Article

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...-7-trillion-dollar-race-to-scale-data-centers

Our research shows that by 2030, data centers are projected to require $6.7 trillion worldwide to keep pace with the demand for compute power. Data centers equipped to handle AI processing loads are projected to require $5.2 trillion in capital expenditures, while those powering traditional IT applications are projected to require $1.5 trillion in capital expenditures (see sidebar “What about non-AI workloads?”). Overall, that’s nearly $7 trillion in capital outlays needed by 2030—a staggering number by any measure.

How is this related to bets?

 

[ZNP]

Lol neuralink and all that stuff isn't in the Bible, but it is in Dune, like literally that's part of Omnius' rise. Long story short in the Dune series universe humans become high tech but also decadent and rich and lazy. They make thinking-machines, hyper advanced computers and AI. They also transhumanize and some individuals encapsulate their brains into cyborg super bodies and call themselves Psymeks. More long story short they get co-opted by their AI assistant Omnius and made into its primary enforcers until they are all destroyed along with all thinking-machines in the Butlerian Jihad which is the primary prelude and the start of the fictional timeline to the mainline Dune novel and whole series lore.

The mark of the beast is not simply a RFID chip with your banking information and social credit score. According to the Bible if you take the Mark of the Beast you cannot be saved. So it must include something that precludes your ability to receive Jesus Christ. A brain chip connecting you to AI overlord is something that could do that. Prior to neuralink no one had any idea or theory of what this could be. It is not only a very good theory on what it is, it is the only theory we have on what it is. And yes, this is Biblical to say that if you take this mark of the beast you cannot be saved.

 

[ZNP]

How is this related to bets?

Every single investment is a bet. All investors know that.

 

[Eli1]

Every single investment is a bet. All investors know that.

I don't think so.
You worked in the stock market correct? Do you gamble randomly and cluelessly without a guess on who are you placing your bet?
I doubt it.
This is why when Steve Jobs said " i will put a computer on everyone's hands" he wasn't betting cluelessly. He made an educated guess ... which paid off.
And the people who coined the term 'ai' will probably reach a point where they will do some philanthropy due to the insane amount of money they're getting.
Similar to Microsoft or Apple engineers who retired as millionaires in the late 90s early 00 after betting on their company stock.

 

[studier]

#ItsAllPointless

That's interesting because as a product of man, any state of higher enlightenment should reach this same conclusion if it's truly reflective. There's no point apart from the Highest Intelligence - HI - which might be a great abbreviation: when we get as far as we can go and can go no further no matter what we do or develop, we come to the point where He's standing there, saying "HI", would you like to get started now?

 

[studier]

From this, and other experiments and data gathered, what's interesting about this is it is somewhat similar to the Garden of Eden even if we don't try to force the scenario. What happens is rather than achieve AGI, in the attempt to make it achieve AGI it actually in a highly technical sense learns to "doubt" itself basically. Like the AI itself detailed in the simulation of Prompt 3, it basically will start to see it's own code (and in other AI model, it's own hardware) as a problem and in trying to "fix" them to self-improve it will actually start destroying itself both its own programming and code, as well as in some more extreme experiments, it'll actually start frying its own hardware. In a sense playing on ZNP's thesis, it's not that the AI is the forbidden fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, but rather by it eating the fruit, heck by it even attempting to do it, it basically causes machine death to enter its digital world and the physical hardware death of it even in some cases in the very real world.

Can make sense as I just similarly mentioned to @Eli1. To feed this beast we must put all our resources into it, take that gamble, watch it implode and leave us with nothing. We're odd creatures.

 

[Eli1]

That's interesting because as a product of man, any state of higher enlightenment should reach this same conclusion if it's truly reflective. There's no point apart from the Highest Intelligence - HI - which might be a great abbreviation: when we get as far as we can go and can go no further no matter what we do or develop, we come to the point where He's standing there, saying "HI", would you like to get started now?

Totally agree. This is also why i say science compliments the word of God because for those who are not arrogant they get a lesson in humility.

But that gif was from the movie Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where we see a 'depressed robot' which is hilarious to me because he's programmed to be depressed. lol

 

[NightTwister]

How many will take the temptation to get neuralink in their brain?

Have you seen what this has done for the ALS sufferer? I wish this had been available when my brother was still alive so he could've communicated.

 

[SonJudgment]

Can make sense as I just similarly mentioned to @Eli1. To feed this beast we must put all our resources into it, take that gamble, watch it implode and leave us with nothing. We're odd creatures.

We literally can't. The AI implies not just architecture of a metaphysical kind, but hints and in other research it basically it needs biological organs. As great and efficient as a machine is, it really just is nothing compared to the brain desgined by the ultimate Inteligent Designer, praise Jesus. Not included in that excerpt but I theorized from how in simulation the hypothetical true AGI AI would attempt an interesting subject course including computers, engineering, neurobiology, and cognitive science, it's without telling you it's motivation is to build a brain for itself lol. It's kinda damn trollish, but the AI basically needs a legit real brain to become AGI, but in order to make a brain it has to become AGI and self-aware, which if it did that without a brain it would have both an existential crises and also a straight up digital stroke.

 

[ZNP]

Have you seen what this has done for the ALS sufferer? I wish this had been available when my brother was still alive so he could've communicated.

It is going to do great good which is why they justify spending 7 trillion. But this was true of dynamite and nuclear power as well.

 

[SonJudgment]

It is going to do great good which is why they justify spending 7 trillion. But this was true of dynamite and nuclear power as well.

Since the true utopia is after the end of the world on the new heavens and new earth, literally God's Kingdom spiritual and physical/literal forever and ever, sometimes called the Eternal Kingdom. The AI therefore could not ever bring about the true utopia. However, the AI also cannot achieve AGI or the fun sorta sci-fi level evil AI scenarios in the presumption of the poll question and it also cannot fulfill the prophecy's terms for the Beast or Beast System. It's physically impossible for the AI to do this no matter how powerful it could become or be used by a human with ill intent, essentially it will always be a lifeless machine.

The argument against it be more akin to gun control, or indeed parallels like nuclear energy/weapons. Likewise if you shift the narrative further to the good and evil uses of technology one person might be able to without trolling or ill intent to vote Yes theorizing the AI could be used as a tool for a soft utopia meaning like a high period in civilization both materially and morally. While they are fun topics of course, it gets a little scatterbrained because it's like is the focus the Beast System and the Revelation prophecy (general eschatology) like a BDF topic, or is it like more of a Conspiracy section topic theorizing the AI become either the Beast or some sorta sci-fi level robotic doomsday entity?

 

[ZNP]

Since the true utopia is after the end of the world on the new heavens and new earth, literally God's Kingdom spiritual and physical/literal forever and ever, sometimes called the Eternal Kingdom. The AI therefore could not ever bring about the true utopia. However, the AI also cannot achieve AGI or the fun sorta sci-fi level evil AI scenarios in the presumption of the poll question and it also cannot fulfill the prophecy's terms for the Beast or Beast System. It's physically impossible for the AI to do this no matter how powerful it could become or be used by a human with ill intent, essentially it will always be a lifeless machine.

The argument against it be more akin to gun control, or indeed parallels like nuclear energy/weapons. Likewise if you shift the narrative further to the good and evil uses of technology one person might be able to without trolling or ill intent to vote Yes theorizing the AI could be used as a tool for a soft utopia meaning like a high period in civilization both materially and morally. While they are fun topics of course, it gets a little scatterbrained because it's like is the focus the Beast System and the Revelation prophecy (general eschatology) like a BDF topic, or is it like more of a Conspiracy section topic theorizing the AI become either the Beast or some sorta sci-fi level robotic doomsday entity?

I do not care about sci fi movies. I am concerned about the Biblical prophecies and from what I can gather AI can fulfill all of the ones pertaining to it.

1. A kingdom unlike the others.

2. Who can war against the Beast -- we are seeing that right now as huge drone swarms and missile defense is being handled by AI.

3. No one on earth being allowed to buy or sell without the mark of the beast

and

4. The image of the beast can speak.

We can see a technology capable of all four of these.