Replacement Theology

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Israel hasn't been replaced and the Jewish people haven't been replaced. What has been replaced are disobedient branches and Israel's exclusiveness as the people of God. Now people who work righteousness from all nations are the people of God and that part of Israel not ruled by God has been removed from the Israel of God, ie, the kingdom of God, because only those of faith can enter it.
 
There are really only two men in the earth: Adam and Christ.
Christ is the righteous Son. All who are included in Him receive the favor of the Father.
 
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Sometimes we can learn from a liberal study Bible. The following is from the New English Bible, Oxford Study Edition (1976) on Galatians 6:16 -


“16: Israel of God: the church (see 4.25-28 n.).”

Gal. 4:25-28 “The one bearing children into slavery is the covenant that comes from Mount Sinai: that is Hagar. Sinai is a mountain in Arabia and it represents the Jerusalem of today, for she and her children are in slavery. But the heavenly Jerusalem is the free woman; she is our mother. For Scripture says, ‘Rejoice, O barren woman who never bore child; break into a shout of joy, you who never knew a mother’s pangs; for the deserted wife shall have more children than she who lives with the husband.’ And you, my brothers, like Isaac, are children of God’s promise.”

25-28: Paradoxically the Jews (who count Isaac as their ancestor) are called children of Hagar; the church is the promised heir like Isaac.”
 
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A replacement theology thread that leaves out romans chapters nine -eleven.

No wonder people are taken in by replacement theology.
The bible is a doctrine destroyer replacement theology is anti bible.

Replacement adherents can not, and never will, honestly address the 144k ETHNIC Jews, and will never understand the book of Ruth.
Romans 9-11 they omit.
 
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Psalm1 said:
A replacement theology thread that leaves out romans chapters nine -eleven.

No wonder people are taken in by replacement theology.
The bible is a doctrine destroyer replacement theology is anti bible.

Replacement adherents can not, and never will, honestly address the 144k ETHNIC Jews, and will never understand the book of Ruth.
Romans 9-11 they omit.
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Romans 9-11 states that only a remnant of Israel is ever saved, ie, those of faith.

Israel was not about ethnicity or race, but circumcision. Anyone in the world could be a part of Israel if they were circumcised and kept the law, but no uncircumcised son of Jacob could be a part of Israel.
 
Psalm1 said:
A replacement theology thread that leaves out romans chapters nine -eleven.

No wonder people are taken in by replacement theology.
The bible is a doctrine destroyer replacement theology is anti bible.

Replacement adherents can not, and never will, honestly address the 144k ETHNIC Jews, and will never understand the book of Ruth.
Romans 9-11 they omit.
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Where are the books of genealogies?
I've actually heard someone claiming they were from a certain tribe.

I'm guessing 2% Osage or Navajo?
 
It is important in eschatology to remember, “church” was an ecclesiastical word, not literally found in the Bible. So, using the contrast of Israel to the “church” can be misleading.

Wycliffe translates "church" 31 times in OT and 111 times in NT

There are only two occurrences of the word “church” in the entire Tyndale translation and neither refer to the body of Christ:

Acts 14:13 (Tyndale)
Then Iupiters Preste which dwelt before their cite brought oxe and garlondes vnto the churche porche and wolde have done sacrifise with the people.

Acts 19:37 (Tyndale)
For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes.

Tyndale used the word “congregation” in place of “church”.

You can search the Young’s Literal Translation and not find the word “church" anywhere. You find “assembly” used in both OT and NT.

King James gave the KJV committee 15 instructions to follow and #3 was "The old ecclesiastical words to be kept, as the word church, not to be translated congregation." Then, in the original, full KJV Preface to the Readers we have this confirmed:

"Lastly, we have on the one side avoided the scrupulosity of the Puritans, who leave the old Ecclesiastical words, and betake them to other, as when they put WASHING for BAPTISM, and CONGREGATION instead of CHURCH"

Since the KJV; the RV, ASV, RSV & NRSV have used the word “church” only in the New Testament.
 
Barber said:
This is my first time on Christian Chat. I realize that the majority of Christendom embraces the idea that the ethnic Jews are the chosen people. The more I read things from the "Replacement theology" camp, it is really starting to make more sense to me. Galatians 3:28 says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are ALL one in Christ Jesus." This sounds clearly like it is teaching that those of us who are born again and part of the universal church would all be the same, therefore the "chosen people now." Why would an ethnic Jew be singled out by God as somehow different, when Galatians clearly says there is no difference in people?! I think the New Testament teaches that there are only two kinds of people, children of God (saved) and children of the Devil. (lost) BTW, I am not in any way antisemitic. We are "chosen" when we are born again anyway. We don't choose God, He chooses us. Any thoughts?
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Barber, you wrote:
We are "chosen" when we are born again anyway. We don't choose God, He chooses us. Any thoughts?

When did God "choose'?

"even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him." (Eph 1:4, RSV)

and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain. (Rev 13:8, RSV)
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Israel hasn't been replaced and the Jewish people haven't been replaced. What has been replaced are disobedient branches and Israel's exclusiveness as the people of God. Now people who work righteousness from all nations are the people of God and that part of Israel not ruled by God has been removed from the Israel of God, ie, the kingdom of God, because only those of faith can enter it.
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Understandably, there's going to be disagreements about the modern rendition of Zionism, Israel, the Jews and so forth.
I realized over the years that this tends to be more of an Emotional issue than a Biblical one with many of us Evangelicals. That's why I ask pastors to define the bare basic essentials when telling us mere folks in the pews what they mean by:

A. Jews?
Is this the religion of Israel?
If so, which denomination represents G_d. We don't want to pronounce that N_me and violate their traditions if they represent the unspoken Holy O_e of Israel, G_d's people.
Does this term mean the tribe of Judah?
If not, what tribes or religions if this secular land?

B. If Israel is the occupiers of the land mass today, are we talking about Hasidic or Ashkenazi?
What about division of the tribes?
12,000 from each makes me think that there's gotta be more than a DNA strand or two genetically, IF we are talking about the fulfillment of Revelation.

C. Do these blessed people that bless America need to be directly blessed with money, like the past half plus century?
Do we bless their dictator instead as taxes go to his discretion for use and distribution?
Should every American family just have however many thousands taken from them by the IRS flown to Israel and dropped up on the land in hundred dollar bills?

There's a LOT more questions I have for John Hagee and other pastors. I am still waiting for the basic questions to be answered since these 144,000 male VIRGIN evangelists from the Holy Land known for teaching virtue will be leading the world to Jesus Christ.

Is it not fair to ask the pastors to explain and define exactly what they are talking about so those in the pews can be obedient?
 
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Me_Clay said:
Soutce: google

Fulfillment theology is a Christian doctrine, also known as supersessionism or replacement theology, that teaches the Christian Church has replaced the Jewish people as God's chosen people and the heirs of his covenant. Proponents believe that Jesus's arrival and the birth of the Church "fulfilled" God's promises to Israel, essentially meaning the biblical covenant was superseded and God is now finished with the Jewish people in this regard. This view is seen by its critics as having historically contributed to antisemitism.

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It doesn't work for people who are also disobedient to the Torah to think that they have replaced Israel because of their disobedience to the Torah.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Romans 9-11 states that only a remnant of Israel is ever saved, ie, those of faith.

Israel was not about ethnicity or race, but circumcision. Anyone in the world could be a part of Israel if they were circumcised and kept the law, but no uncircumcised son of Jacob could be a part of Israel.
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Romans 4:3 - 11
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Disobedience to the Torah is following Moses rather than Christ.
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Christ quoted Deuteronomy three times in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3), and Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it (Deuteronomy 5:31-33), so that is a false distinction. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repeating from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which is in accordance with him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), so the same God who gave the Torah to Moses also sent Jesus to turn us from our disobedience to it, which means that that is again a false distinction. It remains true that even if it were the case that the Israelites were replaced because they did not obey the Torah, then they would not be replaced by people who also do not obey the Torah.
 
Charlesiii said:
Romans 4:3 - 11
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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Amen!

21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
 
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Replacement theology?

How can I replace one with the other, What God Has Separated Into Two Different
entities with Two Different Destinations, homogenizing them into one?:

Did not He, In the beginning "Make This Division", For His Own
Good 'Reasons' / Purposes?:

"In the beginning, God Created the heaven And the earth."​
(Genesis 1:1 AV)​

Thus, we find, Rightly Divided, These Two:

1) In God's ( earthly ) Context of prophecy / Covenants / law

Christ, the Humble Servant ( on earth ) taught the gospel of the kingdom
to Twelve apostles, for the Twelve tribes of Israel, Of which someday
He Will Be their King on the earth, At His Prophesied Second Coming!
(Matthew - John, Hebrews - Revelation)

Rightly Divided (2Ti 2:15) From "Things That Differ!" (online)

2) In God's Other ( Heavenly ) Context Of Grace, According To
His "Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon)

Christ, The Glorified Lord Of Heaven Revealed to One apostle, The
Gospel Of The Grace Of God, for The One Body Of Christ, of which
He Is The "Head Of The Church, Which Is His Body" which is awaiting
our Home-Going To Heaven At God's Great GRACE Departure! {aka rapture}!

Thus What The Infinite God Has Done, I, the finite man, Cannot Possibly Undo,
Correct?

Precious friends, please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ, And In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided!

Further Scriptural Confirmation: Biblical Representations of 12 and 1!

Amen.

Study to Be APPROVED Open Bible.png

Hopefully the goal of all Diligent Bible students, eh?
 
Barber said:
This is my first time on Christian Chat. I realize that the majority of Christendom embraces the idea that the ethnic Jews are the chosen people. The more I read things from the "Replacement theology" camp, it is really starting to make more sense to me. Galatians 3:28 says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are ALL one in Christ Jesus." This sounds clearly like it is teaching that those of us who are born again and part of the universal church would all be the same, therefore the "chosen people now." Why would an ethnic Jew be singled out by God as somehow different, when Galatians clearly says there is no difference in people?! I think the New Testament teaches that there are only two kinds of people, children of God (saved) and children of the Devil. (lost) BTW, I am not in any way antisemitic. We are "chosen" when we are born again anyway. We don't choose God, He chooses us. Any thoughts?
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The Bible clearly refers to people who are Jews, Greeks, slaves, free, males, and females, so Paul was not denying the reality of these categories, especially because he never stopped identifying as a Jew (Acts 21:39, 22:3), but rather he was denying that those categories give someone a higher status when it comes to bring in Christ. We can all be part of one body while not all being the same part of the body.

A child of someone is metaphorically someone who is in their likeness through embodying their character traits, such as with John 8:39 saying that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through His works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah. This is why those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Torah are not children of God (1 John 3:4-10) and why Paul contrasted those who are born again with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah (Romans 8:4-7). If it were the case that the Israelites were replaced because they refused to submit to the Torah, then people who also refuse to submit to the Torah have no grounds to think that they have replaced Israel. The New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33) and it is based on better promises that Israel would never cease to to be a nation before God (Jeremiah 31:35-37). If God can break His promises to Jews, then He can also break His promises to Gentiles.
 
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