Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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I wanted to add that the Day of the Lord or God's Wrath beginning with the 1st Trumpet Judgment is God's answer to the cry of the saints in Heaven who had been martyred by the Antichrist. The cry of these saints takes place in the 5th seal.

So the timeline of the important seals is like this:

1. 4th seal = Death - Antichrist killing everyone when he enforces the Mark and demands worship.
2. 5th seal = Saints cry out for having just been killed by the Antichrist.
3. 6th seal = God's response to their cry, which leads to justice (God's Wrath) with the 7 trumpet judgments and 7 bowl judgments.


Info given in the 5th seal

The saints in heaven want to know WHEN and are told
"11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled"

THAT would have to INCLUDE the 2 witnesses who are killed at THE END of the final week, the time when the AOD stands where he ought not proclaiming to be God


SO the time line for the book being unsealed BEGINS in the first century when JOHN was given the book of Revelation.

WHAT does a book contain? Information, and the information given us in this book tell us WHAT WILL BE happening on earth NOW THAT THE KING AND KINGDOM HAVE BEEN REJECTED


Chapter 1 Christ giving the events of how and when HE will be REVEALED.

Chapter 2 and 3 are warnings to the 'churches' as to what is good and what isn't, and what EVERY SINGLE person is responsible for and will be judged on. NO groups will be judged as a unit, it is to HE WHO overcomes.

Chapter 4 shows what is going on IN HEAVEN

Chapter 5 shows Christ work on earth being accepted, Him found worthy, and now the book that WOULD HAVE remained sealed had He not be rejected, being given to US so that WE would know what was taking place in this world around us...and it was taking place AT THAT TIME...


Chapter 6 a run down on what is and will be taking place until His return, so let's examine the

The First Seal: Rider on a White Horse
1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

What did Jesus tell us before His death and resurrection? "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me." John 14:30 KJV

Satan's evil spirit has been roaming around ever since. We are even warned about this as PRESENTLY TAKING PLACE in
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" 1 Peter 5:8 KJV


The Second Seal: War
3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Surely there is NO NEED to speak to whether or not WARS have continued to take place since the Resurrection of Christ and it is not something that is yet future.



The Third Seal: Famine

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Surely this is also PRESENT as well as past and NOT just future. As are both of these

The Fourth Seal: Death

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

The Fifth Seal: Martyrs

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


IF the BOOK had NOT been 'unsealed' already then we would NOT KNOW the reason for all these things taking place in the world in which we live. AND we wouldn't know what was coming aka the final week, the workings of Satan here on earth which take place BEFORE the return of Christ and our gathering to Him.


The Sixth Seal: Terror
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

THE GREAT DAY of WRATH doesn't come until AFTER the 6th seal...

The 6th seal speaks to Satans coming rule, as the 6th trump speaks to the attitude of those during his rule "20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts, these all have taken the mark of the beast,

and the 6th vial, speaks to the make up of Satans kingdom the 2nd half of the final week...13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.


Satan 666

Christ 777

The Seventh Seal
1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

The Seventh Trumpet
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

The 7th seal speaks to the END of Satans kingdom, the 7th trumpet calls its happening, the 7th vial shows its complete end (until the short season at the end of the 1000 years)
 
"Look {idou}, I {Jesus} have given you {the 70 evangelists}
authority {exousia} to tread on snakes and scorpions
and over all the power {dunamis} of the enemy {echthros};
and nothing . . . no not anything {ouk me - very strong negative}
will hurt you."

{Note: This is in the incarnation of Christ. The canon of scripture was not completed.
At the completion of the canon, the temporary gift of miracles ceased.
So, tread on those snakes today all you want, but have the antidote handy.
Misunderstanding doctrine is always dangerous.}
your unteachable because your a beefburger but not a cheese burger as well 🤩

I could have a discussion with you, but seeing as I have the full armour of meat in my faith and milk , which you lack milk because you need to be spoon fed and you need to learn to walk before you run. As your always being a beef head picking a fight.


Sadly you will throw your doudou out of the pram again as you have so many times, getting angry by others people beliefs, is not necessary for a teacher, Gods will take care of his children.

All the authority of His will lives in me and theres nothing you can to do change it, even with your gorilla geek. Oops greek
 
Enough to keep me solvent in my retirement.
why haven't you answered whether you meant what you implied about God making a decision to not save people before he foreknows people.

I'm very disappointed by this
 
If Calvinism is correct, then has God eternally decreed Himself to be patient and long suffering with the sinful choices that He eternally decreed man to do? If so, why would He be patient and long suffering toward the sins He eternally decreed man to do?

God is patient because of his elect. Every last one must be brought into his Kingdom, and when that happens, then the Lord returns.
 
Jesus did not quote from any LXX. If you just read your Bible you would know that He did not initially come for the Gentiles.
Jesus was very Jewish. Again, jots and tittles. Do you even know what those are? Are jots and tittles Hebrew or Greek?


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But He did come to save Abraham's descendants (Lk 1:54-55). You do realize that Jesus' base of operations for his 3-1/2 year ministry was in Galilee of the Gentiles, thereby fulfilling prophecy (Isa 9:1)?
 
If God is patient because of the elect…but the elect are already elected before the foundation of the world, then does God know already who the elect are before the individuals are ever born? And does He already know who the lost are that has been eternally decreed (not my beliefs, but Calvinisms) for damnation? So, why the need for patience? Makes no sense. But that’s Calvinism for you.
 
why haven't you answered whether you meant what you implied about God making a decision to not save people before he foreknows people.

I'm very disappointed by this

Apparently we have a tough time communicating with each other, and I don't have the time to write a gazillion posts saying the same thing ad nauseam in different, creative ways. But ONE thing is dead certain: God personally KNOWS and loves His chosen people (Gal 4:9; Rom 8:28-30).
 
If God is patient because of the elect…but the elect are already elected before the foundation of the world, then does God know already who the elect are before the individuals are ever born? And does He already know who the lost are that has been eternally decreed (not my beliefs, but Calvinisms) for damnation? So, why the need for patience? Makes no sense. But that’s Calvinism for you.

Makes perfectly good sense to me, since the world is filled with believers and unbelievers that live together on a sin-filled earth, which is hardly ideal for either group -- yet, at the same time necessary for the propagation of the Gospel.
 
I’m so thankful the Bible is true and Calvinism is false. And I’m so thankful I believe in Christianity and not Calvinism.
 
Apparently we have a tough time communicating with each other, and I don't have the time to write a gazillion posts saying the same thing ad nauseam in different, creative ways. But ONE thing is dead certain: God personally KNOWS and loves His chosen people (Gal 4:9; Rom 8:28-30).
actually Rufus you should just take the time to answer, because it's something you've said to me. And I'm not looking for a long drawn out answer, it's something you know the answer to,

I Never asked you to say what you implied

The word says whom God for-knew he saved, which means he knew they where going to be saved by for-knowing them.

I'm not looking for a long drawn out debate with you, and don't start insulting my intelligence im not insulting yours

I'm asking you to answer a sincere question, and you don't need to go overy word in the bible if you've already confirmed what you know, what you believe. Or How you believe it.

Could you answer the question does God choose to not save people before for-knowing them.

Answer the question please rufus just a simple yes or no will do please.
 
Makes perfectly good sense to me, since the world is filled with believers and unbelievers that live together on a sin-
filled earth, which is hardly ideal for either group -- yet, at the same time necessary for the propagation of the Gospel.
Just a couple of very many verses FWers contradict and outright deny:

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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
 
Makes perfectly good sense to me, since the world is filled with believers and unbelievers that live together on a sin-filled earth, which is hardly ideal for either group -- yet, at the same time necessary for the propagation of the Gospel.
It doesn’t make a lick of sense if God has already eternally decreed all the individuals who will be saved and lost. Why be patient when He already knows who is saved and lost if He has eternally decreed and set it in stone?

It would be like a football coach already knowing certain players are elected and already on the team before the team was already formed, and they have already won the championship before the foundation of the league. So why would the coach have to be patient with all people when he already knows before time who the team players are and they will win?
 
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