Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

[studier]

You are in error and confusing context with omission — Scripture doesn’t need to restate baptism every time faith is mentioned to prove salvation. Romans 4 and Ephesians 2 already make it clear: salvation is by grace through faith, not of works.

Paul already settled it — we’re saved by grace through faith, not by any act we perform.

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Nor does Scripture need to restate obedience every time faith is mentioned.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

the passage is talking about the evidence of knowing God, not the basis of salvation.

Knowing God is salvation

And we know that the Son of God is come and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 1 John 5:20​

 

[studier]

James was writing to believers—faith is assumed. He’s describing the fruit of faith, not the means of salvation.

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
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James was writing to believers to make certain they understood that faith-alone does not justify and that faith without works is intrinsically dead. Genuine faith possesses obedience and works that cooperate with faith to complete it.

 

[mailmandan]

The faith-alone hive is knowing God through knowledge, ie, gnosis. The faith + works of faith hive is knowing God through hearkening to (obeying) his voice

And hereby we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that says, I know him, and doesn't keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:3-4​

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John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge. Obeying God flows from this relationship that believers have with the Lord.

Salvation is not by faith + works. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. (This is descriptive of genuine believers) 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (That is descriptive of unbelievers/make believers)

Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard (biblehub.com)

 

[studier]

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@ChristRoseFromTheDead is trying to blur the line between faith and works — shifting salvation from trusting in Christ’s finished work to performing acts of obedience.

By redefining obedience as the means of salvation instead of the evidence of it, they merge grace and works. It’s the same old faith-plus-something formula: grace + water, grace + obedience, grace + ritual.

Basically, he is undermining Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV — turning “not of works” into “because of works.”

He distorts it just enough to shift the focus from Christ’s finished work to human effort.

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Standard faith-alone soteriology shifting obedience from being intrinsic to genuine faith and making that intrinsic component of genuine faith to outward works done prior to being saved.

Non-standard appealing to others to replace discussion.

 

[studier]

Faith that doesn't obey God isn"t faith; it's just mental assent. Grace doesn't preclude works of faith, but work-phobic salvationists poison the well by clumping them together with works of the flesh.

Faith-alone does seem to be belief as purely mental assent. Once they disassociate genuine faith from those components the Word shows are part of it, what's left but mental assent?

Again, "work-phobic" is a good description of the system IMO. They've pushed the pendulum too far.

 

[studier]

That’s just word-shuffling. Scripture’s clear — faith produces obedience, but it’s faith that saves (Romans 5:1 KJV). Works follow; they don’t initiate salvation.


Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Conflates obedience and works again, which is word-shuffling.

 

[studier]

Obedience flows from faith—it’s the fruit, not the root. Grace saves; obedience proves it (Romans 1:5 KJV, Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV ).

Grace and Peace
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
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Standard faith-alone error.

 

[studier]

God saves through working faith.

which is genuine faith.

 

[studier]

“Perseverance” in Scripture means God preserving the believer

Incorrectly makes an active command to believers into a passive condition.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge. Obeying God flows from this relationship that believers have with the Lord.

And as the verse says, we know him by doing his will. He who says otherwise is a liar, as the verse says

 

[studier]

it’s about grace through faith alone, leading to obedience born of the Spirit — exactly what Paul taught in Romans and Galatians.

It's not exactly what Paul or the Bible teaches and it adds word to Scripture while alleging to be Scriptural.

 

[studier]

If you read the Genesis account closely, the sequence matters. Genesis 6:8–9 (KJV) says,
“But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”That declaration of favor and righteousness appears before God ever gives the ark instructions in verse 14. The text shows clearly that grace and faith came first; the obedience that followed simply flowed from what was already true of him.

When we understand genuine faith from the NC clarity re: its being inseparable from obedience and works that are part of it and intrinsic possessions of it - equivalent to it - then it's easy to see this faith in Noah when the Word says he was a righteous man & perfect in his generations. His faith/obedience - as Paul and Hebrews tells us - was working with his works as James would tell us.

 

[studier]

I don't answer troll posts.

But you do troll posters and posts.

 

[studier]

That accusation is just a distraction tactic — meant to shift the discussion from Scripture to labels.
When someone can’t refute your biblical points, they’ll often attach a historical or theological tag (like “Gnostic,” “Calvinist,” or “heretic”) to make you defend something you never claimed. It’s a rhetorical trap — the moment you start defending the label, the real issue (faith, grace, justification, etc.) gets buried.

Typinator.

 

[studier]

The pattern in Scripture is always the Word → faith → obedience.

The clarified pattern in Scripture is always the Word → active faith/obedience → active outward obedience → good works

 

[studier]

So, Scripture consistently shows obedience is the fruit of faith, not the source of salvation or healing

Scripture properly understood shows obedience is part of an inseparable from genuine faith and not the fruit of faith.

God is the source of salvation.

 

[studier]

They usually quote Acts 2:38 as their cornerstone:
“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...”
They interpret “for” (eis in Greek) as meaning “in order to obtain” forgiveness, not “because of.”

• Greek nuance — The word eis (“for”) in Acts 2:38 can also mean “because of” or “on account of,” as in Matthew 12:41 (“They repented at [Greek eis] the preaching of Jonah”).

This is repeated faith-alone error purporting to fix other error.

"eis" being causal is error exposed by scholars you previously said supported this error when in fact they refuted it.

 

[studier]

You are equating obedience with faith itself, not as its result. That’s the serious key theological error!

That's the Biblical instruction.

 

[mailmandan]

And as the verse says, we know him by doing his will. He who says otherwise is a liar, as the verse says

Doing His will is the demonstrate evidence that we have come to know Him.