Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

It is written in the book of Acts that we are the offspring of God.

And what of Jesus words in John 8 v 44? ~ You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out
your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no
truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Only believers have the right to call themselves children of God. In that case, Jesus has set them free.

You seem to be on the hunt for ways to further contradict what Scripture explicitly articulates.

 

[Me_Clay]

@cv5 @Kroogz I have been thinking…it is written in the book of Zechariah and Hebrews that God forms man’s spirit and is the Father of spirits. It is written in the book of Acts that we are the offspring of God. It is written in the Psalms that the LORD he is God, he hath made us. Did God make man without free will or to be totally depraved? If He did, then what part of man? If we have no free will, then does God? And what aspect of man came from God that does not have free will or is totally depraved? If we are made in the image of God, and God has free will, then we have free will. If God has free will, and we do not, then we are not made in His image. Also, did God form a spirit to be in man that is robbed or incapable of making a choice to choose Him? It is written in Genesis that God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Did Adam have free will? If not, then did God breathe into man’s nostrils and soul not to have free will and be totally depraved? And why? Was this God’s intention from before the creation itself?

Hi blue155

What's your denomination?

Regards
Clay

 

[Jordon]

Grace and peace.

Maybe a better way to explain it Cameron, is when the fruits of the spirit are gifted to the soul, the soul becomes born of spirit.

Where as before it only acted like flesh.

I'm not sure what else you could say really other than the fruits of the spirit also equals a new heart of flesh,

Seems pretty clear instruction to me cam.

I think maybe she's trying to win an argument for her friend genez, can't see why tho,

 

[Genez]

More logical fallacies from you. God is/has a lot of things we are/do not.

In His image?

We reflect His free will as God has determined in how much freedom we are to have to use our will.

Truth will make our will free according to how much truth we accept.

John 8:31-32​

So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, ​

you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will ​

set you free.”​

.

 

[sawdust]

Keep in mind. Jehovah Witnesses also think they know better than you.

Not sure I wanted that reminder.

Some of the lengthy discussions I have had with them? I always ended up blacklisted with them and that was when I really did know next to nothing. I know a little more now and I never see them. Maybe the devil knows he would be wasting his time.

Bring on the Day Lord when we will know as we have been known.

 

[Jordon]

@cv5 @Kroogz I have been thinking…it is written in the book of Zechariah and Hebrews that God forms man’s spirit and is the Father of spirits. It is written in the book of Acts that we are the offspring of God. It is written in the Psalms that the LORD he is God, he hath made us. Did God make man without free will or to be totally depraved? If He did, then what part of man? If we have no free will, then does God? And what aspect of man came from God that does not have free will or is totally depraved? If we are made in the image of God, and God has free will, then we have free will. If God has free will, and we do not, then we are not made in His image. Also, did God form a spirit to be in man that is robbed or incapable of making a choice to choose Him? It is written in Genesis that God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Did Adam have free will? If not, then did God breathe into man’s nostrils and soul not to have free will and be totally depraved? And why? Was this God’s intention from before the creation itself?

Your just making it up as you go along, your not not even really interested, as your post just lacks any real conviction.

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

Not sure I wanted that reminder.

Some of the lengthy discussions I have had with them? I always ended up blacklisted with them and that was when I really did know next to nothing. I know a little more now and I never see them. Maybe the devil knows he would be wasting his time.

Bring on the Day Lord when we will know as we have been known.

@sawdust : Brilliant stuff, sister! Amen!

 

[Blue155]

Hi blue155

What's your denomination?

Regards
Clay

Don’t have one.

 

[Jordon]

Not sure I wanted that reminder.

Some of the lengthy discussions I have had with them? I always ended up blacklisted with them and that was when I really did know next to nothing. I know a little more now and I never see them. Maybe the devil knows he would be wasting his time.

Bring on the Day Lord when we will know as we have been known.

You do realise your feeding him ?

And I'm not surprised he would insult jehova witnesses seeing as there witnesses for God.

He's probably the sort to Slam the door on a caring individual when they knock on his door, I wouldn't be surprised if he condemned them to hell to

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

OK: Just to see if I've got this right:

Does God offer Salvation to each and every one of us, and then it's after that, that we use our free will to accept or reject His offer of Salvation?

Is that right?

 

[Jordon]

@sawdust : Brilliant stuff, sister! Amen!

I'm not sure you should be applauding this kind of remark m,.. I knows she's from your land and stuff but you shouldn't be agreeing with her because of that ,.

 

[Jordon]

OK: Just to see if I've got this right:

Does God offer Salvation to each and every one of us, and then it's after that, that we use our free will to accept or reject His offer of Salvation?

Is that right?

I had you down as being intelligent guess I was wrong.

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

I had you down as being intelligent guess I was wrong.

@Jordon : "Good one", bro!

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

@Magenta:

OK: Just to see if I've got this right:

Does God offer Salvation to each and every one of us, and then it's after that, that we use our free will to accept or reject His offer of Salvation?

Is that right?

 

[cv5]

You mean like Jesus did with all the "inane questions" he asked people?

[Exo 17:14-16 KJV] 14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this [for] a memorial in a book, and rehearse [it] in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:

16 For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn [that] the LORD [will have] war with Amalek from generation to generation.

 

[cv5]

Don’t have one.

Nor should you....

 

[Jordon]

@Magenta:

OK: Just to see if I've got this right:

Does God offer Salvation to each and every one of us, and then it's after that, that we use our free will to accept or reject His offer of Salvation?

Is that right?

when the father hands a person to the son, salvation happens,

When the fathers will is completed in a person, the person repents of there Ways,

A person can not accept something that isn't given in the first first place its not a gift then.

The gift of being offered salvation is available to all.

And clear logical reasoning from his word should tell you the path is narrow and many will not find it.

Because the seed of man is corrupted asleep not alive in spirit only his enabling grace of placing Godly sorrow in there hearts can give them salvation

Only his Godly sorrow of enabling grace can test the heart in fire, and give repentance after the test, only his Godly sorrow can save your mortal soul.

Only his devine power can look at a person whole life before giving them salvation.

You know I could site a hundreds of more reasons why.

The main reason is he knows who are his and who isn't.

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

when the father hands a person to the son, salvation happens,

When the fathers will in completed in a person, the person repents of there Ways,

A person can not accept something that isn't given in the first first place its not a gift then.

The gift of being offered salvation is available to all.

And clear logical reasoning from his word should tell you the path is narrow and many will not find it.

Because the seed of man is corrupted asleep not alive in spirit only his enabling grace of placing Godly sorrow in there hearts can give them salvation

Only his Godly sorrow of enabling grace can test the heart in fire, and give repentance after the test, only his Godly sorrow can save your mortal soul.

Only his devine power can look at a person whole life before giving them salvation.

You know I could site a hundreds of more reasons why.

The main reason is he knows who are his and who isn't.

@Jordon : Sorry, but I'm confused by your answer: So does God offer Salvation to everyone to start with?

 

[Jordon]

@Jordon : Sorry, but I'm confused by your answer: So does God offer Salvation to everyone to start with?

now you playing silly again

Your not confused.

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

now you playing silly again

Your not confused.

@Jordon : AGAIN: Does God offer Salvation to everyone to start with?