Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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LifelongLearner said:
Many have probably realised i don't think we can exercise free will, even think it's impossible for us to. Won't explain why i think it's an impossiblility for us yet, think it's useful for some to express why they think it exists first.

I have no doubt we have and can make choices throughout life, however, think our options are far more restricted than most realis
LifelongLearner said:
Many have probably realised i don't think we can exercise free will, even think it's impossible for us to. Won't explain why i think it's an impossiblility for us yet, think it's useful for some to express why they think it exists first.

I have no doubt we have and can make choices throughout life, however, think our options are far more restricted than most realise. What do you think?
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e. What do you think?
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should we call exercising good or bad will free will., because we suddenly decided to do something well natured with good intent, or if we planned something in advance Shouldn't it just be called good willed if it was for good

, but bad willed say if we do something on impulse out of character.
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If you give somebody a fee gift shouldn't it just be called being generous out of good will to give someone a free will gift

If we make a choice shouldn't it just be called making a conscience decision,


You know freewill is not even a proper word it's a plural,

If you willfully commit sin should it just be called making a bad conscious decision and acting out of bad will instead of saying you had freewill to do it.

Honestly its nuts m ..

If you say whatever you want is it because you have free will or it because your careless

If you make a conscience decision not to use bad language do you have freewill or it because you willed yourself to make a right choice.

But you know what m you can pluralise all these wills and call it freewill if you want to m. But freewill is just A plural of will

It's only your mind finding a suitable word like the Oxford dictionary ❤️
 
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Bible_Highlighter said:
It appears that your average Calvinist sees the order like this:
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Regeneration (Beginning of Salvation) ----- > Faith in the Gospel Message ----- > Salvation (Full or Complete Salvation).​
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Hyper Calvinists see the order like this:​
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Regeneration (Full Salvation) ----- > Faith in the Gospel Message (Fruit of Salvation)​
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Some believers here in this thread who prefer not to call themselves Calvinists (even though many other Calvinists have no problem in doing so) and yet they say they agree with Calvins teachings, have basically stated the order like this:​
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Regeneration (Life, but Not Salvation) ----- > Faith ----- > Salvation (Salvation).​

Surely, all of these different aspects of Calvinism is simply a hornet's nest of confusion that is easily solved or refuted if they just simply read and believe the Bible plainly like a child.




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Agree it is all wrong how they change the meaning of words, that is part of their legacy as well.

But I am thinking according to commentators that hyper Calvinists is the one who is the most logical consistent.

The hyper Calvinist does not shy away from the fact that is some are created for salvation than the rest of humanity is created for damnation.

Soft Calvinist try to cover that up with "bafflegab" about those not saved were doomed anyway, they fit themselves for destruction... etc., etc., and we should be thankful God did anything at all.
 
HeIsHere said:
Agree it is all wrong how they change the meaning of words, that is part of their legacy as well.

But I am thinking according to commentators that hyper Calvinists is the one who is the most logical consistent.

The hyper Calvinist does not shy away from the fact that is some are created for salvation than the rest of humanity is created for damnation.

Soft Calvinist try to cover that up with "bafflegab" about those not saved were doomed anyway, they fit themselves for destruction... etc., etc., and we should be thankful God did anything at all.
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Which one was Calvin?
 
Genez said:
The male's sperm transfers the corruption.
Not, the woman's ovum.

The woman sinned first, but it was though Adam that sin entered the world. (Romans 5:12)

God assigned the woman's ovum for the foundation for the sinless Messiah (Genesis 3:15)

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Genez said:
The Greek calls the mind - 'nous.'

The Greek calls the heart -'kardia.'

AI helps...

The Greek word for mind is "nous" (νοῦς), which refers to intellect or understanding. It encompasses the faculties of perceiving, reasoning, and moral judgment.

Kardia (καρδία) is the Greek word for "heart," which refers not only to the physical organ but also to the figurative center of a person's thoughts, emotions, and will. In biblical contexts, it represents the core of human life and moral decision-making.
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A simple yes or no would do.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Which one was Calvin?
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I read Calvin a long time ago... the problem with his work is that he changed his mind and contradicted his own writings, as a member here put it he used circular reasoning too.

This is from his writings,

“Now a word concerning the reprobate, with whom the apostle is at the same time there concerned. For as Jacob, deserving nothing by good works, is taken into grace, so Esau, as yet undefiled by any crime, is hated [Rom. 9:13]” (Institutes 3.22.11). “

So who knows what he really thought and what he used to serve his personal ambitions of power and control.
 
HeIsHere said:
I read Calvin a long time ago... the problem with his work is that he changed his mind and contradicted his own writings, as a member here put it he used circular reasoning too.

This is from his writings,

“Now a word concerning the reprobate, with whom the apostle is at the same time there concerned. For as Jacob, deserving nothing by good works, is taken into grace, so Esau, as yet undefiled by any crime, is hated [Rom. 9:13]” (Institutes 3.22.11). “

So who knows what he really thought and what he used to serve his personal ambitions of power and control.
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So people today take the seed of Calvin and morph it into the various permutations we see according to their degree of unbelief and blindness..
 
sawdust said:
Yes.
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And you also believe that the soul of man is not corrupt but held in bondage to the sinful flesh?

This naturally leads to the questions then: why is the heart corrupt and why do the different facets of the soul sin? Why is the heart wicked?...Jeremiah 17:9. Why does the Bible teach that it is the heart that directs the mouth...Luke 6:45...if the body has the soul in bondage? Shouldn't the mouth be directing the heart? Why is the source of evil thoughts said to be in the heart...Mark 7:22-23...if the body is in control? Shouldn't the source be the brain?
 
Cameron143 said:
How is someone human and not have a human nature?

This is inane.
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Is it really inane ... or maybe you are twisting it all about as you usually do.

Born dead and separated from God which gives man a propensity to sin is what Scripture teaches...nothing you push on fallen human nature to support all the rest of TULIP the package deal is biblical.

God holds everyone accountable to the laws He has written on their consciences... another reason TULIP is wrong.
 
HeIsHere said:
Is it really inane ... or maybe you are twisting it all about as you usually do.

Born dead and separated from God which gives man a propensity to sin is what Scripture teaches...nothing you push on fallen human nature to support all the rest of TULIP the package deal is biblical.

God holds everyone accountable to the laws He has written on their consciences... another reason TULIP is wrong.
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This from an individual that doesn't even know that all dogs have the same nature.
 
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