Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View
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@LightBearer316 are you programmed to only consider what the text says without regard to what the holy spirit is saying?
Most of what you post doesn’t sound original at all — it reads like a patchwork of commentary snippets stitched together without understanding.
Copying lines from others isn’t the same as knowing Scripture.
If you’re going to quote commentators, at least make sure you grasp their context instead of cobbling fragments together to prop up a weak argument.
Grace and peace.
@LightBearer316 your comment doesn't reflect what the text says. Are you programmed to resort to personal insults when you get cornered and exposed?
@LightBearer316 's last response to my post makes me think we are dealing with an AI bot. No human would respond the way it did. Let's try to break this thing by treating it as an AI bot and feeding it questions addressed to automated software rather than to a human.
You're involved in a systematic theology, admit it or not. The Text must fit the system. Your rejection of this is akin to a Catholic denying they are a denomination or sect of Christendom.
Partially correct. Hupakouō does describe Israel’s refusal, but it is stronger than “heeding.” The verb conveys active disobedience to the message, not passive inattention. Paul frames faith as obedient belief, so failure to obey is itself unbelief.
Accurate but limited. Paul cites Isaiah to link disobedience with unbelief. But he shows equivalence, not consequence: disobedience is unbelief, because genuine faith is inherently belief that is obedient.
Misleading. Paul is not describing a simple outcome. By paralleling hupēkousan (“obeyed”) with episteusen (“believed”), he shows that faith is obedient belief, and rejecting that obedience constitutes unbelief. Heb3 does the same thing.
10:17 Hearing -> faith; 10:16 obeyed <-> believed = faith as obedient belief.
10:17 shows that faith comes from hearing the message, summarizing and explaining that faith is the obedient belief described in 10:16.
I'll use this to provide more detail in a subsequent post.
It's taken you nearly 500 posts to actually take up the argument of #443 in any meaningful way.
My question and its response should tell everyone this is not a human we're interacting with
I noticed that. It's not the first time similar things have happened.
The dodging and unwillingness to admit things like the misrepresentation of resources is human - sadly human.
@ChristRoseFromTheDead
All you do lately is post troll material.
After seeing the way you’ve behaved throughout this thread, it’s hard to understand why anyone would still take your posts seriously.
Grace and peace.
All you do lately is post troll material.
After seeing the way you’ve behaved throughout this thread, it’s hard to understand why anyone would still take your posts seriously.
Grace and peace.
A troll (in online forums or social media) is someone who deliberately provokes, insults, or derails discussions just to get emotional reactions from others — not to actually debate or contribute.
Typical troll behavior includes:
In short, a troll’s goal isn’t truth — it’s attention.
Typical troll behavior includes:
- Posting sarcastic or mocking comments instead of arguments.
- Repeating false accusations even after they’re refuted.
- Twisting people’s words to stir conflict.
- Ignoring evidence or Scripture and focusing on personal attacks.
- Teaming up with others to “pile on” one user rather than discussing the topic.
In short, a troll’s goal isn’t truth — it’s attention.
@studier
You can measure in posts if you like, but truth isn’t counted — it’s tested.
Romans 10:16–17 KJV doesn’t redefine faith as obedience; it clarifies the outcome of unbelief.
Paul uses hupēkousan (obeyed) and episteusen (believed) in contrast, not equation. The disobedience is their refusal to believe — unbelief is disobedience in result, not definition.
That’s why verse 17 resolves it with: “So then faith cometh by hearing.” Hearing precedes belief; belief precedes obedience. Paul’s grammar preserves that order to maintain justification by faith apart from works.
Grace and peace.
@LightBearer316 did a human intervene to add trolling to your responses, or was that already a part of your programming?
Trolls such as @ChristRoseFromTheDead will often post outrageous or obviously false comments (like “why did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor”) just to provoke reactions.
They’re not trying to make a real point; they’re baiting people into arguing or correcting them so the thread derails.
That’s called “trolling by absurdity” — using ridiculous statements or historical nonsense to get attention. @ChristRoseFromTheDead enjoys doing it even with God's Holy Word Scripture sadly.
The best way to handle it is to avoid reacting emotionally and either
Grace and Peace
They’re not trying to make a real point; they’re baiting people into arguing or correcting them so the thread derails.
That’s called “trolling by absurdity” — using ridiculous statements or historical nonsense to get attention. @ChristRoseFromTheDead enjoys doing it even with God's Holy Word Scripture sadly.
The best way to handle it is to avoid reacting emotionally and either
- ignore it entirely, or
- correct it once, briefly, and move on.
Grace and Peace