Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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If Calvinism were true, the scenario would go something like this:

And as Saul journeyed toward Damascus, there shone about him a light from heaven, and he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying,​
“Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me?”​
And he said,​
“Who art Thou?”​
And the Lord said,​
“I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.”​
Then Saul, incredulous, said,​
“Nay, I believe thee not, and I will continue to hunt down Christians like dogs”​
And the Lord answerd,​
"I am the risen Lord Jesus."​
Paul answered,​
"No, I do not believe thee."​
And the Lord answered,​
“Enough! You will now do my bidding! Your mind and heart are belong to me now! Do as I say!”​
Thereupon straightway the old man of Saul was brought to naught.​
And he was stricken and humble, and the persecutor became the preacher.​

However, no Bible actually says anything like this, though.




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Again you fail to see him fighting against the lords will, what was the goad Paul was kicking against.

Did the lord put a chain around him m

Nope the goad was the prick in Paul's conscience called the lords will.

But anyhow keep Kicking against what you consider to be your own goad, it will one day kick back
 
Again you fail to see him fighting against the lords will, what was the goad Paul was kicking against.

Did the lord put a chain around him m

Nope the goad was the prick in Paul's conscience called the lords will.

But anyhow keep Kicking against what you consider to be your own goad, it will one day kick back

This actually proves free will and not an overtaking of the will.
Saul had been under conviction, prodded by truth and conscience, yet he chose to resist those promptings. Christ’s words revealed that his rebellion was not only wrong but painful and against His will.

However, there are no cattle prods to prick a person's conscience in Calvinism.
In Calvinism: one just receives a new heart in Election,
and they make the choice to believe as their only option like a good little mindless puppet.



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Also, I recall the story of a Calvinist who whole heartedly believed in Calvinism for a good number of years, and later came to the conclusion that he was not one of the Elect. So here he was believing and defending the faith only to find out later he was not of God's chosen elect. How sad. This is what this theology does. It bars men from the Kingdom of God.



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So we are in the millennium? Why do you think that?
I don't know of a short answer to this question, but I suppose we can start with the cross. The death, burial, and resurrection of Christ is the pivotal point in human history. It marked a dramatic change in the power structure of all things...both physical and spiritual. From the onset of sin, mankind, as well as all creation, was put under Satan's dominion, and was growing worse and worse. We see man go from ideal conditions in the garden to difficult conditions and mostly subsistence living. His lifespan was over 900 years initially to an expected lifespan of 30-40 years in the 1st century. Technological advances came very slowly. But...

After the cross, all dominion is given to Jesus. He came to destroy the works of the devil and to make all things new. With His new keys to death and hell, He began to build His church and the gates of hell are impotent to stop Him. Life has gotten progressively better, albeit slowly. Jesus is ruling and reigning at the right hand of the Father and will one day bring about His kingdom fully in the earth. The church, which started with 120 in an upper room is now well into the millions. It will continue to grow as the mustard seed to fill the earth. In this way, God's original plan to fill the earth with the knowledge of His glory will be fulfilled. And when Jesus has defeated all His enemies, He will offer up His kingdom to the Father...1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
 
It's not as bad as it looks sometimes to m, both sides have been witty, but there is one or two that are witless 🤩

Or as my new Aussie friend would say @OLDBUTNEW who became my friend after we stoned each other would say, pommie twits 🤩🍰🌈

@Jordon : Great stuff, my dear brother!! No, I've changed my mind now: The British are great! No more are they twits!
 
OK. That's 1 view. The same people can't explain the book of Revelation, give an outline, or explain how God can end a covenant without fulfilling the terms of the covenant. They relate prophecy to Israel but never Christ.

If you like, I can do some research on the verses and find an explanation for them. But regardless of what I find, will such people accept it? Probably not.

And the megabytes of irony is that Jesus is the True and Faithful Israel of God! Jesus was the true Servant of God, which national, apostate Israel never became!
 
This actually proves free will and not an overtaking of the will.
Saul had been under conviction, prodded by truth and conscience, yet he chose to resist those promptings. Christ’s words revealed that his rebellion was not only wrong but painful and against His will.

However, there are no cattle prods to prick a person's conscience in Calvinism.
In Calvinism: one just receives a new heart in Election,
and they make the choice to believe as their only option like a good little mindless puppet.



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Your actually still kicking here m 🤩
 
The fear of the Lord is described as a "fountain of life" that turns people away from death.

Scripture says the wicked are devoid of such.

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The fear of the Lord leads to life, that one may rest content, without visitation from harm. Proverbs 19 v 23 He who fears the Lord is secure in confidence, and his children shall have a place of refuge. The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death. Proverbs 14 v 26-27 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9 v 10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline. Proverbs 1 v 7 The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom, and humility comes before honor. Proverbs 15 v 33 His mercy extends to those who fear Him, from generation to generation. Luke 1 v 50 By the fear of the LORD one turns aside from evil. Proverbs 16 v 6B

It's pretty clear that the Fear of the Lord is very closely connected to the act of Repentance; for those who Fear God shun/turn away from evil. And this means they turn to what is good -- with the Lord, of course, being the absolute Good in this universe.
 
@Jordon : Great stuff, my dear brother!! No, I've changed my mind now: The British are great! No more are they twits!
lol I didn't really mean what I said of you either I had my terminator head on remember the kid of terminator use to say that word a lot. I was thinking of a popular saying at the time,

But there a moral to be learned m the pommie twits will definitely dip themselves in it.

We just need to give them a little push 🤩
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It's pretty clear that the Fear of the Lord is very closely connected to the act of Repentance; for those who Fear God shun/turn away from evil. And this means they turn to what is good -- with the Lord, of course, being the absolute Good in this universe.
My newest panel is using the verse I asked about earlier, wondering how free willers feel about God acting unilaterally,
which they often scream against and blaspheme Him for... but yes, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
.:)
I chose this woman for the panel because she has turned her back on sin. Just thought I'd mention that .:D

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Psalm 36 verses 1-4 ~ An oracle is in my heart regarding the transgression of the wicked man: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For his eyes are too full of conceit to detect or hate his own sin. The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and well-doing. Even on his bed he plots wickedness; he sets himself on a path that is not good; he fails to reject evil.
 
Here...

In order for Jesus to place himself on the cross to die in our place?
He needed to make Himself (in his function) to be a man only.

For, if he remained as God in his function?
He could never qualify as our substitute on the Cross.
Besides that?
God can not die.
And, as God? He can not die for a man..
It takes a man to be the perfect substitute on the Cross.

Jesus Christ has two distinct natures in union.
He is both fully man, and fully God.
Two different natures in union.

In order to die as a man for all mankind?
He needed to deny Himself of His right to be as God in his function.
Philippians 2:6-8, says that is what happened.
He denied himself his right as being in full power as God,
in order that he could make himself to become a man, our perfect sacrifice.

Philippians 2:6-8 tells us that is what took place!
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
Even death on a cross!


See it now?

He denied himself all his powers of Deity, so that by means of His human soul,
he functioned fully as the perfect Man of God. Not as God.
His Deity went in full neutrality in regard to enabling his humanity in any way.


He had to make himself become like a Christian, needing to depend upon the Father and Holy Spirit.

Grace and peace ...... GeneZ

HERESY! There's was never a nanosecond when Jesus wasn't fully God and fully man! Jesus never emptied himself of his divine attributes but rather, as a Servant in his Father's house, chose to place limitations on himself in deference to His Father.
 
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You do believe in the Rapture? You do?

Because the Rapture is the completed Bride of Christ being taken to her new Home to be with her husband!

He can not have different parts of His Bride still on earth during the Marriage supper of the Lamb.

For your info, the rapture occurs at the Parousia.
 
While we agree that Calvinism is false, I believe your interpretation on Philippians 2:7 KJV here is incorrect, brother.
Modern Bibles such as the ESV and NLT falsely teach that Jesus emptied Himself or gave up His divine privileges in Philippians 2:7 KJV.

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The KJV correctly teaches that Christ humbled Himself (“made himself of no reputation”),
not that He relinquished His deity or divine nature.

Although Jesus appeared to suppress His omniscience, becoming a figurative second Adam in that He grew in wisdom and knowledge (Luke 2:52), Scripture also shows that He possessed divine power and authority of His own throughout His earthly ministry.


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#1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21). Please take note that this was said in context after Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda. Jesus was also saying this when the Pharisees were upset that he did this healing on the Sabbath. So when Jesus says He can raise the dead, like the Father can, He is laying claim to ownership to this miracle He just did. Yes, Jesus did not bring this man at the pool back from the dead. But he did make his legs that were dead to come back alive and He also no doubt had led this man to trust in Him (Which is spiritual life). So this is an example of Jesus acting on behalf of his own power. Jesus does nothing of Himself alone without the Father. Yet, Jesus said that what He sees the Father do (like healing miracles), He also can do likewise (See: John 5:19).

#2. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6). This is clearly an act of God here. Only God can truly absolve sin in regard to our salvation and give us eternal life. No man could ever do this. So clearly Jesus is exercising His divine power as God on Earth. There are several examples in Scripture of Jesus forgiving others their sins (Which is clearly a divine act or power of God alone). Jesus also extended eternal life to others by pointing to Himself. Only God can truly have this power.

#3. Jesus had power to take on our sins & Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).Jesus took away the sins of the world by His death. Only God could do this. Jesus took on our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane in His body. He sweat great drops of blood in this process. No human could do this. Only God could. God is our Savior and not some mere man. Yes, Jesus had a flesh and blood body. No doubt about it. But no mere man has any power for such a task. Only God could truly have the power and strength to carry and take away our sin. In other words, man cannot resist all of his own sin of his own power, and yet for a man to take on the whole sins of the world? Not possible by the strength or power of some mere man alone. Truly the divine power of the eternal Word was at work here.

#4. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today. Meaning, Jesus can be in His spirit among other believers who went away to some other location. Remember, God is Omnipresent. Jesus can be anywhere in His spirit as He desires because He is God. No man has such a power or ability. Only God has this ability.

#5. Jesus can make His home or abode inside of us if we keep His commandments (John 14:15). This is a part of His divine power and or abilities as God. Humans born to two parents cannot make their homes inside other people. Jesus did not say he would only do this after His resurrection, either. He said it to those around Him and therefore Jesus would have exercised this power because some follower of His would have strived to keep His commands.

#6. “This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.” (John 2:11). This was a direct statement. Meaning, Christ’s miracle at the wedding of Cana manifested His glory. This was his first miracle done by Jesus, and it was a part of His showing forth His deity as God. The apostle John did not say that the Lord Jesus manifested the Holy Spirit’s glory, but His own glory. So when Jesus turned water into wine (unfermented wine), it was an act that manifested His own power as the Son of God.

#7. ”And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:13-14). This was said by Jesus before the cross, and answering prayers is definitely a divine act of God. Please pay close attention to what Jesus said. He said, “I will do it“ in reference to answering prayer. So if a person prays for a healing in His name, he will do it. He will be the One who will heal them and do it.

#8. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.

#9. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19). This aligns with the words of Jesus elsewhere when He said, "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.” (John 10:17-18). This commandment have I received of my Father." These statements by our Lord highlights His divine authority over His own life and death.


Side Note 1:

It's important to remember that God the Father also performed miracles through Jesus (John 14:8-12). Additionally, Jesus cast out demons and healed people through the power of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:22-32). However, this does not conflict with the fact that Jesus possessed His own divine power as God and actively used it. While the theological doctrine of the Kenosis suggests that Jesus had power but chose not to use it, I believe the verses above clearly demonstrate that He did indeed exercise His own divine authority as the Son of God during his Earthly ministry.

Side Note 2:

While the Greek word ἐκένωσεν (ekenōsen) does carry the literal meaning “to empty,” it is used figuratively in Philippians 2:7 KJV to describe Christ’s voluntary self-humbling. In light of the New Testament record of His ministry, this cannot mean that He ceased to be divine (as shown in the verses above). It is also important to note that the Greek text underlying the King James Bible primarily follows Beza’s 1598 edition of the Textus Receptus, and the difference here is not textual but translational. The translators of the KJV faithfully captured the figurative intent of ἐκένωσεν with the phrase “made Himself of no reputation,” while the translators of Modern Bibles, influenced by the interpretive tendencies of modern scholarship and the Critical Text tradition (NA-28) built upon Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, rendered it as “emptied Himself.” This choice shifts the meaning from humility to the false implication that Christ divested Himself of His divine nature.




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The problem with that is Jesus said He only did and said what He saw and heard what the Father do and say so He was not acting on His own authority but on the basis of the Father's.

If Jesus, at any time, acted on His own authority, He made himself a liar.

John 8:27-28
27 They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
 
Select Modern Bibles subtly teach Calvinism. (1) Psalms 139:16 in Modern bibles say that all the days were ordained for me (See NIV, BSB, NASB, AMP, NET) (2) In Revelation 22:17 with the ESV, NASB, LSB, AMP, NET, it removes the word “freely”. ESV and LSB are Calvinist favorites. (3) In the ESV, 1 Peter 2:8 talks about Calvinism in the fact that the wicked stumble at the word as they were destined to do. (4) In Acts 26:14 with the NLT, the Lord tells Paul that it is useless for him to fight against His will. (5) Luke 2:14 in the NIV says, “and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.” Instead of “and on earth peace, good will toward men.” (KJV).

In other words, this tells me that there is an agenda within Modern Scholarship to change the Bible. These verses never read this way in the most commonly used English Bible, the King James Bible, which remained the standard for hundreds of years before the popularity of the Modern Bible Movement arose in the 1980s. The KJV was written in 1600s English, and so certain words like "ordain" does not carry the modern understanding as we would understand it today.


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But there's not a scintilla of bias with translators on the other end of the theological is there?
 
Also, I recall the story of a Calvinist who whole heartedly believed in Calvinism for a good number of years, and later came to the conclusion that he was not one of the Elect. So here he was believing and defending the faith only to find out later he was not of God's chosen elect. How sad. This is what this theology does. It bars men from the Kingdom of God.
It sounds more like he examined himself as Scripture says we are to, in order to determine if he really was in the faith. Does Christ
live in you? If not, you are not saved, and thank goodness people can know, and are honest about it, even if free willers are not.


I suggest you grow some integrity.

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2 Corinthians 13 v 5 ~ Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Can’t you see for yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you- unless you actually fail the test?