Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Your opinion
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And your opinion is that Cameron is a Gnostic because he affirms Scripture.
That is the type of dishonesty your CDS generates.

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Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
 
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HeIsHere said:
I am mirroring what you believe.

Yes, we have made progress, at least it was not "you do not understand Reformed doctrine."
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You aren't mirroring my beliefs. In fact, you regularly distort my beliefs. At least you acknowledge that Calvinists believe the will is involved in salvation. Kudos.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Calvinists acknowledge that the will is engaged in salvation.
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Then why have irresistible grace as your solution?
And, why keep harping on the depravity of man can not come to knowing God?

God found a way.

First, one must understand that the source of depravity resides in the body, not the soul.
The soul is a victim, like a driver is placed in a car with bad breaks and poor wheel alignment.
He is always being pulled to where he does not to go, and unable to stop.

But the driver is NOT the car!
Total depravity makes both driver and car as worthless.

Salvation grace intervenes at chosen times, making the car stop, allowing the driver to hear on the car radio things to consider that are needed to first know God is real, and then to know what God has provided to find the goal at the end of the road.
 
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The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. The world does not recognize Him. No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. The one who loves God is known by God. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
 
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Magenta said:
And your opinion is that Cameron is a Gnostic because he affirms Scripture.
That is the type of dishonesty your CDS generates. .
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Affirm this, then!

It is Scripture, for sure!
Just do it!

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And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. ​
It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes ​
to be thrown into the hell of fire. Matthew 18:9​


Cameron perhaps was promoting error in interpretation of Scripture?
Like TULIP uses Scripture erroneously?
No one is denying the Scripture itself.

You confuse erroneous interpretation for being the Scripture.

You have a problem, and can not balance between the two.

In Christ ...........
 
Cameron143 said:
Not my opinion. Scripture teaches all are in Adam. All have a sinful nature and since all begin in unbelief, all are under condemnation. The cross didn't automatically change this. One must be in Christ to receive the new nature.
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No. not in unbelief, one cannot be in "unbelief" about something they do not know.
They do not know.

Always that language of double speak.
 
Magenta said:
God knew what choice Adam would make in sinning deliberately against Him.

And He had already made provision, and that is His plan, to save those who believe by grace through faith.

Some even say Adam was perfect, but Scripture does not say that. We are perfected in Christ.
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I know,. Im asking was there a difference between his thought and his will in adam
 
Genez said:
Then why have irresistible grace as your solution?
And, why keep harping on the depravity of man can not come to knowing God?

God found a way.

First, one must understand that the source of depravity resides in the body, not the soul.
The soul is a victim, like a driver is placed in a car with bad breaks and poor wheel alignment.
He is always being pulled to where he does not to go, and unable to stop.

But the driver is NOT the car!
Total depravity makes both driver and car as worthless.

Salvation grace intervenes at chosen times, making the car stop, allowing the driver to hear on the car radio things to consider that are needed to first know God is real, and then to know what God has provided to find the goal at the end of the road.
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You believe in prevenient grace. I believe God changes the individual. Either way, freedom of choice is the result. @HeIsHere and others believe that fallen man, as is, has freewill and that depravity does not limit one's will. This is what I'm arguing against. Since you spend your time assuming to correct me, you never challenge their error. Whether you agree with me on what leads to the freeing of the will, you would do better to explain to some here what depravity actually is and why God must enable the will of man.
 
Genez said:
Affirm this, then!

It is Scripture, for sure!
Just do it!

​
And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. ​
It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes ​
to be thrown into the hell of fire. Matthew 18:9​


Cameron perhaps was promoting error in interpretation of Scripture?
Like TULIP uses Scripture erroneously?
No one is denying the Scripture itself.

You confuse erroneous interpretation for being the Scripture.

You have a problem, and can not balance between the two.

In Christ ...........
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it's called the will of the flesh that lives in man also known as the lust of the flesh which you call precious free will
 
Cameron143 said:
Not my opinion. Scripture teaches all are in Adam. All have a sinful nature and since all begin in unbelief, all are under condemnation. The cross didn't automatically change this. One must be in Christ to receive the new nature.
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But this addresses in no way the point I made.
 
Jordon said:
I know,. Im asking was there a difference between his thought and his will in adam
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How was His will in Adam when Adam had not eaten from the Tree of Life?

Adam was of the natural world. First comes the natural, then the Spiritual.
 
Magenta said:
How was His will in Adam when Adam had not eaten from the Tree of Life?

Adam was of the natural world. First comes the natural, then the Spiritual.
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in his seed m the breath of life the same will that switched his life of
 
Here's the list again. If you don't want to be associated with gnostics, then disavow what they believed.

  • The belief that they are the enlightened elect and spiritually perfect, who because of their spiritual nature can never be lost no matter what behavior they practice. Against Heresies Book 1 Chapter 6 Paragraph 2
  • The belief that grace can never be taken away from them because grace is their eternal possession joined to them in a mysterious union from above. Against Heresies Book 1 Chapter 6 Paragraph 4
  • The belief that it is impossible for physical man to do anything good. ibid
  • The belief that Christians who believe it is necessary to do good works are ignorant persons with a carnal nature and imperfect knowledge. ibid
  • The belief that it is not righteous conduct that leads into eternal life (Pleroma), but it is the seed of grace within them that is brought to perfection through the perfect knowledge of their spiritual nature. ibid
 
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