I wouldn't waste my time on that persons response. A person who is clumsy because they are distracted can be taught and helped how to focus. It certainly isn't a sin. And there is no Bible verse that says that it is. I've never said this before and even people who know me well don't know that I suffer from dizziness that makes me unbalanced. I've had it since I was a teenager. I have been to many doctors and have never found an answer. I've lived with it many, many years. I am not clumsy, I am unbalanced. I can usually mask it but sometimes it overpowers me. People need to watch saying something is sin without Biblical proof. You could hurt a person or discourage a person, even turn them away from the Gospel.
God's View on Clumsiness?
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I wouldn't waste my time on that persons response. A person who is clumsy because they are distracted can be taught and helped how to focus. It certainly isn't a sin. And there is no Bible verse that says that it is. I've never said this before and even people who know me well don't know that I suffer from dizziness that makes me unbalanced. I've had it since I was a teenager. I have been to many doctors and have never found an answer. I've lived with it many, many years. I am not clumsy, I am unbalanced. I can usually mask it but sometimes it overpowers me. People need to watch saying something is sin without Biblical proof. You could hurt a person or discourage a person, even turn them away from the Gospel.
Exactly! What a stupid idea! Sin is something you can stop, you can control it. Now I have heard it all.
I believe in healing. I don't know why a person doesn't always get healed. But blaming the person for the disease is ridiculous.
More Christians have been disillusioned by this issue than any other. There are parents who have stood by the bed of a sick child and in all sincerity and faith prayed and still lost that child. I don't know why God calls some people home. I lost my aunt to cancer that 43 yrs of age. We prayed and believed, but God still chose to take her home. And I have to leave that up to God's wisdom and in His hands.
Married, children,dogs or cats? God doesn't care whether you spill the milk or you don't. Has zero to do with salvation
I would pay cash to be there when Stan gets his own terminal diagnosis.
These "it's all your fault when you get sick" people always react in one of two ways when they get their own terminal diagnosis. Occasionally, very occasionally, they will break down and admit it is not always your fault. But the overwhelming majority will double down and try to come up with some reason why it is their fault that they got terminally ill.
I would love to be there to find out what he comes up with, what he did wrong that caused this calamity.
I had a friend who really was a wonderful person. He was an evangelist and he was Word of Faith. I believe in healing, I pray and believe, but God's ways are higher than mine and sometimes He takes people home. This friend simply wouldn't "claim" sickness. His wife became ill and passed and he had a real crisis of faith. But I cannot stand someone who blames the ill person. Illness is hard enough without people telling you you're the cause of it. Ridiculous.
The same conundrum exists in psychology. The author of the xkcd comic posted something about it back when his wife had cancer.
There is an almost tautological connection between one's outlook and one's mental health, and a bad attitude does drain the immune system. Granted. But I refuse to feel bad about feeling bad.
When my mother had cancer they said that a positive attitude would go a long way in helping her. My mother is about as near to a saint one could get. My sister took her for her first doctors appointments, I took her to the rest, which were the majority, during Covid. With both myself and my sister we did everything possible to keep stress down and keep things positive. Her doctor would always be pleased when she would come into the room and we would be laughing over some silly thing. I would step out in the hallway for privacy and pray that she had gotten a clear scan. We did that for five years. And every time I would ask our Facebook believing friends to pray. She then had heart issues and had to spend a couple nights in the hospital, again, asked for prayer. In both of those situations one of us would strike up a conversation with someone that would lead to talking about the Lord. I don't know the whys of healing and sickness. But we have tried to look for the rainbow somewhere in the storm.
While my mother is now cancer free, my father has been diagnosed with early dementia. And I know and believe God can heal him today. I continue to pray that he will. People keep trying to say " well the next step is..." and I flatly say "No, I won't listen to that. I am praying for healing. I don't need any prophets of doom". lol But my father isn't in the place where he can believe for his own healing, so where does that put him?! People need to think before they speak. If your faith is bigger than ours, you who say we don't have the right faith or not enough, by all means PM and pray for my father. I would give everything I own and more to have him in his right mind again.
Hi SilverBigBack,
As someone who also suffers from clumsiness, it's been interesting to read this thread, and I thank you for posting it.
I find that for me, God often reminds me to be humble through my clumsiness. I can't tell you how often I've been having "some great thought" (or at least, I think it is!!) and then will mindlessly stumble over something, drop food on my clothes, or ram my toe into some piece of furniture that decided to put itself right onto my path!! (Sometimes this happens all in one day.)In fact, I'm so well-known for it that my friends and family are often waiting for me run into something!
I understand the different views on clumsiness, but I personally see it as a personal remembrance from God that everything comes from Him, and I can never credit myself.
May God bless you for being open and transparent in your struggle! You are definitely not alone.
As others have said, if you are looking for discussions in which people often share a bit more and mix in a little humor, we usually have threads going in Singles, Miscellaneous, and Family that might catch your interest -- or where you might want to post some thoughts of your own.
For myself, I come to the Bible Discussion Forum to read but usually don't post.
Kudos to you for jumping right in and writing threads -- that's a rarity -- and I hope you see more of your posts around the forum!
Thank you! Although in time the questions I have may begin to exasperate people. Or maybe not. You can click out of CC and turn off a device after all.
And thanks for the encouragement. It sounds like we both have "tunnel vision." Getting so focused on something that everything else becomes invisible or diminished.
Agreed! Let me know if somebody starts it!Interesting..... I take Genesis 3: 22 to mean that they had access to the tree of life, but hadn't eaten from it? Though I don't think they were commanded not to..... hmm. OK this topic deserves its own thread, Stat!
I read select topics in BDF and jump in on occasion if I might have something relevant to say, but yeah there's a lot of condemnation and vain arguing to be found here. Singles isn't immune to all that but it's generally a lot better environment for poking into issues and genuine iron-sharpening. Hope to see some of your future threads being discussed there!
That is a very interesting thought! Spiritual OCD... Sounds like an innocent (ish) form of being a pharisee.
Great defense. I like how you explained the phenomenon. Clumsiness is usually about as intentionally sinful as being born "ugly" or some other unchosen and unwanted effect of a fallen world.
Brother, or sister, thanks for your thoughtful response. I too suffer from such dizziness. I have fallen off of a ladder more than once because of it (not fear of heights). I can't recall any part of me rebelling against having to work or deciding to put my attention somewhere other than my feet and hands. But still fell...
I can understand Moses' conversation with God, and Moses asking God to send someone else.
Exodus 6:12 And Moses spake before the Lord, saying, Behold, the children of Israel have not hearkened unto me; how then shall Pharaoh hear me, who am of uncircumcised lips?
Moses referred to his lips as being "uncircumcised", which although not pleasant if taken literally, was probably the equivalent in those days of saying his speech was clumsy or even useless. But God didn't let it stop Him, and sent Moses to Pharaoh anyway. God provides a way - His strength is made perfect in our weakness.
I read various interpretations about Moses faltering speech and one commentary said he had not spoken the language of the Egyptian court for 40 years and was saying that he would be inept and awkward in his attempts (clumsy) in trying to speak to Pharaoh. I thought it was a much more probable interpretation than Moses having some physical handicap. And latter you see him doing all the talking so he must have regained his familiarity with the Egyptian language.
It struck me that this might be why I loved Mr. Magoo so much. @SilverBigBack commented "...that's talent!" but the character gave me impression that God's strength must've been perfected in Mr. Magoo's weakness.
I had heard it taught that Moses' speech was a bit crude (somewhat like Peter, as he was prone to fits of anger) and Isaiah 6:5 came to mind as I wondered at the relation of Moses' uncircumcised lips. So, I looked it up to see if the same word was applied and found in the case of Moses 'uncircumcised lips' aral or unskilled was used, and in the case of Isaiah's 'unclean lips,' or teme, was used. However, the ambiguity of the English term 'crude' or 'insensitive' might... or I might be way too scrupulous when it comes etymology.
Now this is why I like CC. Believers sharing insight and interpretation of various texts that cry out for reconsideration beyond what has been popularity preached. If the word Moses used meant unskilled that supports the idea that he feared making a fool of himself or not being taken seriously in Pharaohs court, stumbling, faltering over his words trying to recall words he hadn't used in 40 years. A clumsy attempt to communicate. The idea that he stuttered has never seemed correct to meIt struck me that this might be why I loved Mr. Magoo so much. @SilverBigBack commented "...that's talent!" but the character gave me impression that God's strength must've been perfected in Mr. Magoo's weakness.
I had heard it taught that Moses' speech was a bit crude (somewhat like Peter, as he was prone to fits of anger) and Isaiah 6:5 came to mind as I wondered at the relation of Moses' uncircumcised lips. So, I looked it up to see if the same word was applied and found in the case of Moses 'uncircumcised lips' aral or unskilled was used, and in the case of Isaiah's 'unclean lips,' or teme, was used. However, the ambiguity of the English term 'crude' or 'insensitive' might... or I might be way too scrupulous when it comes etymology.