Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

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That explains it then.
That’s a foolish accusation. My version of Logos doesn’t have AI, and Typinator isn’t an AI program either — it’s a simple text-expansion tool.

Here’s the official description:
https://ergonis.com/typinator — “Insert text wherever you want with just a few keystrokes.”​
It’s for inserting prewritten, repetitive text, not for debating or generating responses. It isn't practical for that!

All my scripture verses are in typinator so I can just call them up with example: gen 1:3 rather than copy- n -paste.

Facts matter more than assumptions.

Grace and peace.
 
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Never heard of it, but thanks for letting us know what you use.
I’ve already debunked your false allegation that I use AI.

My version of Logos has no AI capabilities, and Typinator is simply a text expansion tool — nothing more.

It’s used for inserting repetitive, static text such as Scripture references (Acts 3:19, Genesis 3:15, etc.) that come up frequently.
It’s not practical or designed for debating on a forum, nor does it generate or compose responses.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

Grace and peace.
 
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Problem is, some people who you think are wrong and just sharing HIS word.

Nothing to do with any denomination so how can it be a cult???

Just because you don't like it, it has to be a cult because YOU CAN'T BE WRONG which means JESUS and HIS word is.

Some foke believe all of the scripture you share plus more which ALL FIT TOGETHER like a puzzle, or the word you like harmonize together.

Since it's ALL HIS word, why do you limit yourself to just the ones you like?

Maybe just maybe if you ever opened your eyes and was humble JESUS WOULD FILL YOU WITH HIS SPIRIT and you would be able to see all of the scripture as well as the ones you don't like.

JESUS said can't enter Heaven without it!!!

Of course you also need to be baptized in JESUS name.

There was some men in Georgia who was building a new church they WERE baptist.

One day there was about 10 men together seeking GOD and JESUS FILLED THEM ALL, they went to the pastor and the pastor KICKED THEM OUT.

So they started a new church and called themselves baptiscostals.

JESUS will fill anyone that seeks HIM, I was a baptist when JESUS filled me IT CHANGED MY LIFE.

Am I still a baptist, I bet I would not be welcome.
You and I have already been round and round with this and have reached an impasse.

You previously said that you attend the FAC Pentecostal church. My research on the "First Apostolic Pentecostal church" concludes that they teach a "Oneness" doctrine, emphasizing a single God manifested as Jesus Christ, (non-Trinitarian) and requires water baptism in Jesus' name (only valid formula) and baptism of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues as necessary for salvation.

Do you confirm or deny?

Why would I denier it, IT'S ALL BIBLE.

Matter of fact I'm proud to be a JESUS follower.
IT'S A FALSE GOSPEL.
 
You and I have already been round and round with this and have reached an impasse.



IT'S A FALSE GOSPEL.

Since there is only ONE GOD and the only way to get rid of our sins are by being baptized in JESUS name why would I deny it?

To deny it calls JESUS a liar.

Please don't tell me the UPC church is the only one who can read and obey HIS word.

According to YOU HIS WORD IS A LIE.

Good news, if you repent JESUS will forgive you HE loves us all the same and want's NO ONE TO PARISH.

You can say it's false gospel, make the font 100 plus, bold and what ever, say it a million times still doesn't make it true.
 
Appreciate the thoughtful pushback, Blue155. A few clarifications:

1) What “εἰς (eis)” can mean.
No one is claiming “because of” is the default value of eis. The point is that eis is semantically flexible (into, to, toward, with reference to, resulting in—and on occasion causal/grounded-in). Context decides. Two quick examples often noted in the literature:
  • Matthew 12:41 KJV: metenoēsan eis to kērugma—“they repented at/ in response to the preaching of Jonah.” That’s not purpose for a future event but repentance because of Jonah’s message (i.e., on the basis of it).
  • Romans 10:10 KJV: Yes, “believeth unto righteousness” points forward. That only proves eis flexes with context—which is exactly the point.
So insisting that eis must be strictly “in order to” in every salvation text over-reads the preposition.

2) The grammar of Acts 2:38 KJV.
Peter says: “Repent (2nd pl.) and let each of you be baptized (3rd sg.) … for the remission of your sins.” The shift in number naturally ties “for the remission of sins” to the plural repent, not the singular be baptized. This is why many grammarians (e.g., note discussions in advanced grammars) argue the forgiveness is grounded in repentance, with baptism as the subsequent sign/obedience. That reading also matches Luke’s normal order elsewhere (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 10:43).

3) “Kai” links the verbs—but not necessarily the results.
Coordinating kai can join two imperatives without making them co-causes of the same result. “Repent—and be baptized…” can mean: repent for forgiveness, and (accordingly) be baptized. Peter makes that very order explicit in Acts 3:19 KJV: “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out.”

4) Matthew 26:28 KJV doesn’t decide Acts 2:38 KJV.
My blood… shed for (eis) the remission of sins” is sacrificial language about Christ’s atonement. Analogizing that 1:1 to baptism confuses categories (Christ’s atoning cause vs. our responsive sign). Different verbs, different actors, different theology.

5) The Lukan narrative settles the order.
Peter himself later preaches: “Whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins” (Acts 10:43 KJV). While he’s still speaking, the Spirit falls; then they are baptized (10:44–48). That’s not an “exception that rewrites the rule”; it is Luke showing the rule: forgiveness by faith in Christ, baptism as the obedient confession that follows. The same faith-then-seal pattern appears in Ephesians 1:13 KJV.

6) Acts 22:16 KJV doesn’t teach water regenerates.
“Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” The instrumental phrase is “calling on his name” (cf. Joel 2:32; Romans 10:13). Baptism is the enacted confession of that appeal—not the agent that removes sin.

Bottom line:
  • Repentance/faith → remission (Luke 24:47 KJV; Acts 3:19 KJV; 10:43 KJV).
  • Baptism → the outward sign commanded to follow the inward reality (Acts 10:47–48; 16:30–33).
  • Acts 2:38’s number shift and Luke’s broader context support this flow without forcing eis to carry a wooden “in order to obtain” every time.
If you’ve got specific lexical entries you think require “in order to obtain” here (rather than allow the repentance-forgiveness link), feel free to quote them. I’m happy to compare the exact wording.

Grace and peace.
"Because of" and "so that/for" are very different.

eis has always been translated in Acts 2:38 as "so that" or "for" and never "because of".

Phrases such as "semantically flexible" are not convincing.

Acts 2:38 is a rather easy verse to translate from the Greek hence the total agreement of Bible translators.

Your line of reasoning is childish.

Of course words can have more than one meaning but as you said "context decides" and the translations totally and without exception do not present Acts 2:38 as anything other than the default (for or so that).

I cannot read Greek but I can read English and anyone reading Acts 2:38 will not come away with "because of" unless forced to in defense of a theology.

God's Word
Peter answered them, “All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.

Good News
Peter said to them, “Each one of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven; and you will receive God's gift, the Holy Spirit.

Names of God
Peter answered them, “All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Yeshua Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.

And others but never "because of".

Nothing in the Bible is safe with your line of reasoning.
 
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FAC usually stands for First Apostolic Church or First Assembly of the Apostolic Church—both part of the Oneness (“Jesus-Only”) Pentecostal movement often linked with the UPCI.

They deny the Trinity, teaching that God is one Person who reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Spirit (Modalism). They claim salvation requires repentance, baptism in Jesus’ name only, and receiving the Spirit with tongues.

Historically, this doctrine was condemned as heresy (Sabellianism, A.D. 325). It contradicts Scripture, which teaches salvation by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV; Romans 10:9-10 KJV), not through baptismal ritual.

“Go ye therefore… baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” — Matthew 28:19 KJV

Grace and peace.
 
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Since there is only ONE GOD and the only way to get rid of our sins are by being baptized in JESUS name why would I deny it?

To deny it calls JESUS a liar.

Please don't tell me the UPC church is the only one who can read and obey HIS word.

According to YOU HIS WORD IS A LIE.

Good news, if you repent JESUS will forgive you HE loves us all the same and want's NO ONE TO PARISH.

You can say it's false gospel, make the font 100 plus, bold and what ever, say it a million times still doesn't make it true.

That post is a textbook example of Oneness Pentecostal rhetoric — emotionally charged, built on accusation (“to deny calls Jesus a liar”), and framed to make disagreement sound like rejecting Christ Himself. No one here is denying Jesus — what’s being denied is the false claim that baptism causes salvation. Scripture is clear: salvation is by grace through faith, not by any work or ritual (Ephesians 2:8–9 KJV).

Baptism follows faith as an act of obedience, not as the means of forgiveness.

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” — Acts 10:43 KJV

That’s the true gospel — faith in Christ alone.

Grace and peace.
 
That post is a textbook example of Oneness Pentecostal rhetoric — emotionally charged, built on accusation (“to deny calls Jesus a liar”), and framed to make disagreement sound like rejecting Christ Himself. No one here is denying Jesus — what’s being denied is the false claim that baptism causes salvation. Scripture is clear: salvation is by grace through faith, not by any work or ritual (Ephesians 2:8–9 KJV).

Baptism follows faith as an act of obedience, not as the means of forgiveness.

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” — Acts 10:43 KJV

That’s the true gospel — faith in Christ alone.

Grace and peace.

You love pointing your fingers at others as your not following HIS word.

Who do you work for?

How come you can't ever keep things simple.

Show me where JESUS disciples baptized in the not bible trinity.

If it was bible, they would have right?

HIS disciple KNEW WHO HE WAS, SAD YOU DON'T.

Just being baptized does not save you, you have to know why you're doing it.

CAN'T BE SAVED WITH SIN!!!

Acts 10, believed, repented, received the Holy Ghost and was baptized every thing was complete.

HOW ABOUT YOU, is everything been completed?
 
1) What “εἰς (eis)” can mean.
No one is claiming “because of” is the default value of eis. The point is that eis is semantically flexible (into, to, toward, with reference to, resulting in—and on occasion causal/grounded-in). Context decides. Two quick examples often noted in the literature:
  • Matthew 12:41 KJV: metenoēsan eis to kērugma—“they repented at/ in response to the preaching of Jonah.” That’s not purpose for a future event but repentance because of Jonah’s message (i.e., on the basis of it).
  • Romans 10:10 KJV: Yes, “believeth unto righteousness” points forward. That only proves eis flexes with context—which is exactly the point.
So insisting that eis must be strictly “in order to” in every salvation text over-reads the preposition.

I'm referring to this linked post here re: your repetitive error:
  • After watching you ignore requests to do so, and after watching you ignore input from others showing your error:
    • I did your homework for you.
      • I've provided sufficiently to show why your repetitive error re: eis in Acts2:38 is wrong.
      • I've provided sufficiently to show how you have been repetitively claiming that certain references support your opinion while in fact they are aware of the error and they specifically oppose and reject it.
So, now your claim is semantic flexibility that 3 of your 4 scholarly references have already rejected.

Some of the homework I did for you speaks of your same above-repeated error re: Matt12:41 wherein "eis" is once again not causal.

If you'd like to discuss this with any true desire to learn, I've seen a few here well-capable of explaining to you the meaning of this preposition and what these verses are actually saying.

Your second point is also wrong and misrepresents the Greek grammar. It does not recognize very typical grammar addressing a group and all individuals within the group. I'm not going to do more work to explain this to you while you're ignoring work that corrects you.

I see no need to continue through a multi-point post wherein the first 2 points are in error.

If you want actual discussion, let me and likely some others here know.
 
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That’s an easy accusation to make when you don’t want to deal with the substance.
Everything I’ve written comes straight from the Greek text and standard reference works — not from any AI tool. If you think something I’ve said is inaccurate, then let’s look at the text or the lexicons together and prove it that way.

Sorry, but this is pathetic. It's either projection or hypocrisy - hopefully projection.

Several here, including me, have offered to go through the Text and lexical tools with you to find the truth as best we're able. I've asked you repeatedly to provide details from lexicons and other scholarly works you've referenced erroneously. Others have given you input to help you see your errors. You've consistently ignored much of this and continue to copy and paste or have software paste repetitive error.

You apparently care not for your personal credibility.
 
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Likewise, Romans 10:10 says,

“With the heart man believeth unto (eis) righteousness.”It doesn’t mean we believe into righteousness as if entering a location — it describes the result or evidence of faith.

More error. That's what happens when we start with error - we proceed in making more error - garbage in garbage out.
 
That’s actually the best outcome I could’ve hoped for — he just ended the conversation himself. When someone says “I’ll let you have the last word,” it usually means they’re retreating while trying to save face. I've maintained composure, quoted Scripture, and kept every response factual and gracious. Readers scrolling the thread will clearly see the contrast between calm biblical reasoning and emotional defensiveness.

I appreciate everyone who followed the discussion. My goal was never to “win” an argument but to stay faithful to Scripture and let the Word speak for itself.

“For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.” — 2 Corinthians 13:8 KJV

Grace and peace to all.

Actually, I think you're delusional and steeped in error and go so far as to mislead others through pointing to scholarly references by name and ignore requests for actually proving what they say - whether knowing or not knowing they do not support you, is between you and our Lord who knows.

Some of this is typical for systematic camp-based soldiers who've been trained in a system but not in Scripture. But you're showing a willingness to go to an extreme to protect the system. And you have a friend who is supporting you.

Not good.
 
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@studier, @TrustandObey, I’m pretty sure Lightbearer is a bot, or a person who simply copies and pastes posts into an AI format without ever actually reading the comments to them, without ever actually trying to understand the comments, or without going back and reading it. It makes convos incredibly difficult and frustrating, because it’s not genuine, and ends up going in a circle…around and around. I think a lot of people (myself included) have been guilty of that, but when one is only wanting to use it to win an argument instead of trying to learn (which is what Lightbearer316 is clearly doing) then it becomes a big, big problem. At some point, we all need to learn when to not do that. I think a lot of people end up wanting to just argue to prove their point without ever actually wanting to have a good and honest discussion, and what I’ve realized is now we don’t know whether someone’s messages, texts, etc etc is from their own heart, or AI that they used.

@Ouch @Wansvic

It's been obvious to me since I first interacted with @LightBearer316 that he or she ("LB") is highly mechanized. As I've said elsewhere, I posted an early post of LB into AI and asked AI to review it for signs of AI. The analysis was that it conformed highly, or completely (I don't recall) to AI-based norms and AI said it viewed it as AI-based. To be clear, I'm just saying what the AI analysis said.

It's taken LB over 700 posts and a few of us commenting on this to begin admitting what he's using. One wonders what else LB will admit after another 700 posts. All I know with sufficient personal certainty is that LB is posting error and posting names of scholarly resources for credibility that in fact do not agree with his errors and even expose them.

You're just a few posts in here. Your above highlighted thoughts are accurate. The name of the game here is argue and deflect and personal attack when cornered. Take it as fact and try to find your personal rhythm to isolate as best you can from frustration. Help us to do the same.

The AI age is upon us. It'll be more and more difficult to have discussions on line apart from it. We're in a phase where the older don't want it used in theology and the younger only want to use it. It just is. At this time it's fairly simple to see its signs. This won't last. I also know that AI will support any type of theology it sees you leaning towards and if you're starting from scratch it may pick from some tradition and lead you from there. Like any tech, some benefits and some real problems.
 
It's been obvious to me since I first interacted with @LightBearer316 that he or she ("LB") is highly mechanized. As I've said elsewhere, I posted an early post of LB into AI and asked AI to review it for signs of AI. The analysis was that it conformed highly, or completely (I don't recall) to AI-based norms and AI said it viewed it as AI-based. To be clear, I'm just saying what the AI analysis said.

It's taken LB over 700 posts and a few of us commenting on this to begin admitting what he's using. One wonders what else LB will admit after another 700 posts. All I know with sufficient personal certainty is that LB is posting error and posting names of scholarly resources for credibility that in fact do not agree with his errors and even expose them.

You're just a few posts in here. Your above highlighted thoughts are accurate. The name of the game here is argue and deflect and personal attack when cornered. Take it as fact and try to find your personal rhythm to isolate as best you can from frustration. Help us to do the same.

The AI age is upon us. It'll be more and more difficult to have discussions on line apart from it. We're in a phase where the older don't want it used in theology and the younger only want to use it. It just is. At this time it's fairly simple to see its signs. This won't last. I also know that AI will support any type of theology it sees you leaning towards and if you're starting from scratch it may pick from some tradition and lead you from there. Like any tech, some benefits and some real problems.
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Likewise, Romans 10:10 says,

“With the heart man believeth unto (eis) righteousness.”It doesn’t mean we believe into righteousness as if entering a location — it describes the result or evidence of faith.

That's exactly what it means. eis doesn't have to have a spatial aspect. It simply means moving out of something into something else; in this case, moving out of a state of unrighteousness into a state of righteousness.
 
That's exactly what it means. eis doesn't have to have a spatial aspect. It simply means moving out of something into something else; in this case, moving out of a state of unrighteousness into a state of righteousness.
@LightBearer316 isn’t serious in a convo. He’s only serious of using AI to win an argument. He’s a robot.
 
That's exactly what it means. eis doesn't have to have a spatial aspect. It simply means moving out of something into something else; in this case, moving out of a state of unrighteousness into a state of righteousness.

State rather than location should assist out of error someone willing to learn.

Maybe a modified graphic labeling the circle being entered into in light of what's being discussed.

I like how John consistently uses "believe eis-into Jesus Christ" rather than "believe en-in Jesus Christ".

As an aside, I did a lengthy study years ago that included just letting the basic sense of prepositions show the flow of how things work between us, our Lord, and our Father. As I recall, I tracked things faith, righteousness, justification, etc. It was actually pretty amazing. One of the results for me was a better appreciation for the importance of prepositions in the Greek Text and of making certain I am paying attention to them.

It's too bad we have to deal with someone so committed to error. Such is theology it seems.
 
It's been obvious to me since I first interacted with @LightBearer316 that he or she ("LB") is highly mechanized. As I've said elsewhere, I posted an early post of LB into AI and asked AI to review it for signs of AI. The analysis was that it conformed highly, or completely (I don't recall) to AI-based norms and AI said it viewed it as AI-based. To be clear, I'm just saying what the AI analysis said.

It's taken LB over 700 posts and a few of us commenting on this to begin admitting what he's using. One wonders what else LB will admit after another 700 posts. All I know with sufficient personal certainty is that LB is posting error and posting names of scholarly resources for credibility that in fact do not agree with his errors and even expose them.

You're just a few posts in here. Your above highlighted thoughts are accurate. The name of the game here is argue and deflect and personal attack when cornered. Take it as fact and try to find your personal rhythm to isolate as best you can from frustration. Help us to do the same.

The AI age is upon us. It'll be more and more difficult to have discussions on line apart from it. We're in a phase where the older don't want it used in theology and the younger only want to use it. It just is. At this time it's fairly simple to see its signs. This won't last. I also know that AI will support any type of theology it sees you leaning towards and if you're starting from scratch it may pick from some tradition and lead you from there. Like any tech, some benefits and some real problems.

Clarification:
Logos Bible Software is a digital research library, not an AI text generator. It provides access to commentaries, lexicons, and original-language tools — all sourced from published works, not machine-produced text.

Typinator is simply a text expansion utility — it automates repetitive typing by inserting preset text when I type shortcuts. It doesn’t analyze, “think,” or generate responses. As I’ve mentioned before, I use it only for Scripture references. For example, I type “Gen 1:1” and the verse automatically expands — saving me from having to copy and paste repeatedly.
https://ergonis.com/typinator

So if anyone assumes my posts use AI simply because they’re detailed or well-structured, that’s a misunderstanding of what these tools actually do. The writing and reasoning are entirely my own.

For the record, Logos is a research library and Typinator is a text shortcut tool. Neither generates content — they just help organize and reference material more efficiently. The arguments and writing are my own.

I share it with the forum because I have nothing to hide, and your false allegations have been exposed.
Grace and Peace