God's View on Clumsiness?

[Snackersmom]

I guess part of this whole question is stewardship; if you pursue something that lines up with your gifts, and work as unto the Lord, clumsiness is not likely to follow you.

Therein lies the answer! Of course it could be more complicated than that; if a person's gifting is very specific then a job might not be immediately available.... or God could temporarily place us in a job we're bad at to help us learn humility or how to rely on Him.

Or if it's our first job then we might not even know what we are gifted for. I give a lot of teenagers their first job and it's neat to watch their talents develop or help them recognize what their gifts might be.

.....do you think Adam and Eve stubbed their toes and tripped before the fall? Very trivial question, I know, but mildly entertaining to consider.

Haha did you seriously ask if Adam and Eve tripped before they fell? .

Really, it's hard to say for certain and I haven't had time for a deep dive into scripture about it, but I would think that they would/could have tripped. From Genesis 3: 22 it sounds like they had mortal bodies like we do, and would have eventually succumbed to old age even in the paradise of the garden. And if Adam was able to experience loneliness before Eve showed up then I'd think he could have experienced toe-stubbing too; even the most athletic/graceful people I know still trip sometimes haha.

God bless, and thanks for the fun premise! As Lynx was saying, If you hop on over to the singles forum, we love this kind of stuff and the crowd that hangs out there is generally a lot more chill and conversational.

 

[SilverBigBack]

Therein lies the answer! Of course it could be more complicated than that; if a person's gifting is very specific then a job might not be immediately available.... or God could temporarily place us in a job we're bad at to help us learn humility or how to rely on Him.

Or if it's our first job then we might not even know what we are gifted for. I give a lot of teenagers their first job and it's neat to watch their talents develop or help them recognize what their gifts might be.




Haha did you seriously ask if Adam and Eve tripped before they fell? .

Really, it's hard to say for certain and I haven't had time for a deep dive into scripture about it, but I would think that they would/could have tripped. From Genesis 3: 22 it sounds like they had mortal bodies like we do, and would have eventually succumbed to old age even in the paradise of the garden. And if Adam was able to experience loneliness before Eve showed up then I'd think he could have experienced toe-stubbing too; even the most athletic/graceful people I know still trip sometimes haha.

God bless, and thanks for the fun premise! As Lynx was saying, If you hop on over to the singles forum, we love this kind of stuff and the crowd that hangs out there is generally a lot more chill and conversational.

Very fun things to think about! Good joke by the way
Interesting point on immortality, I never looked at it from that angle! I would think we were immortal before the fall, perhaps only because before the fall God allowed access to the tree of life. Maybe they had to continually eat of it to maintain immortality... Not sure but very interesting!
I may have to migrate to the singles forum. I'm here for the discussion, not foolish arguing and stubborn boorishness.

 

[seoulsearch]

Very fun things to think about! Good joke by the way
Interesting point on immortality, I never looked at it from that angle! I would think we were immortal before the fall, perhaps only because before the fall God allowed access to the tree of life. Maybe they had to continually eat of it to maintain immortality... Not sure but very interesting!
I may have to migrate to the singles forum. I'm here for the discussion, not foolish arguing and stubborn boorishness.

Hi SilverBigBack,

As someone who also suffers from clumsiness, it's been interesting to read this thread, and I thank you for posting it.

I find that for me, God often reminds me to be humble through my clumsiness. I can't tell you how often I've been having "some great thought" (or at least, I think it is!!) and then will mindlessly stumble over something, drop food on my clothes, or ram my toe into some piece of furniture that decided to put itself right onto my path!! (Sometimes this happens all in one day.) In fact, I'm so well-known for it that my friends and family are often waiting for me run into something!

I understand the different views on clumsiness, but I personally see it as a personal remembrance from God that everything comes from Him, and I can never credit myself.

May God bless you for being open and transparent in your struggle! You are definitely not alone.

As others have said, if you are looking for discussions in which people often share a bit more and mix in a little humor, we usually have threads going in Singles, Miscellaneous, and Family that might catch your interest -- or where you might want to post some thoughts of your own.

For myself, I come to the Bible Discussion Forum to read but usually don't post.

Kudos to you for jumping right in and writing threads -- that's a rarity -- and I hope you see more of your posts around the forum!

 

[Snackersmom]

I would think we were immortal before the fall, perhaps only because before the fall God allowed access to the tree of life. Maybe they had to continually eat of it to maintain immortality... Not sure but very interesting!

Interesting..... I take Genesis 3: 22 to mean that they had access to the tree of life, but hadn't eaten from it? Though I don't think they were commanded not to..... hmm. OK this topic deserves its own thread, Stat!

I read select topics in BDF and jump in on occasion if I might have something relevant to say, but yeah there's a lot of condemnation and vain arguing to be found here. Singles isn't immune to all that but it's generally a lot better environment for poking into issues and genuine iron-sharpening. Hope to see some of your future threads being discussed there!

 

[Scribe]

We must be careful getting into a mindset that unintentional clumsiness is a sin. This can lead to a type of obsessive compulsive disorder where one is feeling a nagging drive to repent over "spilt milk" or being tormented by a condemnation that Satan will use to cripple one from use by God as they will be distracted by these mental invasive thoughts instead of focusing on faith and peace.

 

[Lynx]

Kudos to you for jumping right in and writing threads -- that's a rarity -- and I hope you see more of your posts around the forum!

Yeah. What she said.

 

[StanDupp]

We must be careful getting into a mindset that unintentional clumsiness is a sin. This can lead to a type of obsessive compulsive disorder where one is feeling a nagging drive to repent over "spilt milk" or being tormented by a condemnation that Satan will use to cripple one from use by God as they will be distracted by these mental invasive thoughts instead of focusing on faith and peace.

And on the other hand it can result in people being lazy and careless

 

[Scribe]

And on the other hand it can result in people being lazy and careless

Well, by definition I would put laziness and carelessness in a different category. Laziness is more like a willful decision to not do what they know to do. Clumsiness is not defined as laziness, clumsiness is more about depth perception or shoes that one isn't used to walking in, or missing a door threshold that has an unexpected drop off. So if one is repenting over stumbling over an unseen crack in the sidewalk from a tree root they are in a self imposed mental condemnation that is not the same as a prompting by the Holy Spirit to repent of slothfulness such as sleeping too much. This is obvious to most of us but occasionally I minister to those with this compulsive disorder. Usually just ignoring the feeling that they need to repent for say dropping a book and worshipping God and maybe singing in the Spirit, getting engaged with something else and forgetting about it will eventually give them victory over this "mental tic" or obsession. Is it demonic? Maybe, but saying "There is no condemnation for those in Christ" Singing to the Lord and thanking Him for a sound mind, and then doing something else will soon get them past the problem. What they should not do is keep up a habit of repenting of spilling milk as if they must do so to be forgiven by God. That's a mental torment problem that you should not feed. Do not agree with the thought that spilled milk is a sin. That's the first step to curing this sort of mental illness.

 

[StanDupp]

"There is no condemnation for those in Christ"

That's NOT what God's Word actually says. Here's the correct quote from scripture:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Those walking after the flesh are back under condemnation because they reap corruption when turning away from being led by the Holy Spirit based on God's Word unto walking after the flesh being carnal minded.

So WHY don't these folks claiming to be "clumsy" quit identifying with the fallen nature of man and instead put on the New Man which is created in righteousness and true holiness? (Ephesians 4:24)

WHY aren't these people claiming to be "clumsy" embracing and living by the Lord's precious promises by which we are partakers of his divine nature? (2 Peter 1:4)

That's a mental torment problem that you should not feed.

If I spill milk, which is very rare because the Lord trained me long ago to minimize mistakes like this by PAYING ATTENTION to what I'm doing - I don't over think it, and I move on with my life.

People need to walk by faith not be sight. Those focused on their mistakes are listening to the devil and not being led by the Lord. They need to renew their mind and understanding and quit making everything to be all about them and their short comings.

That's one think people need to understand about those that have been abused or who abuse themselves by listening to the lies the devil tells them about themselves is that - it's all about them!

That's why it's hard to reach these people because it's all about them and they just won't put their eyes on the Lord and die to self and live for Him being led by the Holy Spirit to believe, speak, think, and act on God's promises!

 

[Dino246]

That's NOT what God's Word actually says. Here's the correct quote from scripture:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Those walking after the flesh are back under condemnation because they reap corruption when turning away from being led by the Holy Spirit based on God's Word unto walking after the flesh being carnal minded.

So WHY don't these folks claiming to be "clumsy" quit identifying with the fallen nature of man and instead put on the New Man which is created in righteousness and true holiness? (Ephesians 4:24)

WHY aren't these people claiming to be "clumsy" embracing and living by the Lord's precious promises by which we are partakers of his divine nature? (2 Peter 1:4)




If I spill milk, which is very rare because the Lord trained me long ago to minimize mistakes like this by PAYING ATTENTION to what I'm doing - I don't over think it, and I move on with my life.

People need to walk by faith not be sight. Those focused on their mistakes are listening to the devil and not being led by the Lord. They need to renew their mind and understanding and quit making everything to be all about them and their short comings.

That's one think people need to understand about those that have been abused or who abuse themselves by listening to the lies the devil tells them about themselves is that - it's all about them!

That's why it's hard to reach these people because it's all about them and they just won't put their eyes on the Lord and die to self and live for Him being led by the Holy Spirit to believe, speak, think, and act on God's promises!

I wonder what it would be like for you to respond to others with edification and encouragement rather than arrogance and criticism.

 

[StanDupp]

I wonder what it would be like for you to respond to others with edification and encouragement rather than arrogance and criticism.

You should see the scripture references I just posted rather than continuing in ignorance, arrogance and criticism.

You really should accept God's Word over what you see and feel and grow up spiritually and walk like a man leaving childish things behind.

 

[Dino246]

You should see the scripture references I just posted rather than continuing in ignorance, arrogance and criticism.

You really should accept God's Word over what you see and feel and grow up spiritually and walk like a man leaving childish things behind.

Maybe one day you'll outgrow being an ignorant, arrogant jackdonkey.

 

[Scribe]

That's NOT what God's Word actually says. Here's the correct quote from scripture:

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Those walking after the flesh are back under condemnation because they reap corruption when turning away from being led by the Holy Spirit based on God's Word unto walking after the flesh being carnal minded.

So WHY don't these folks claiming to be "clumsy" quit identifying with the fallen nature of man and instead put on the New Man which is created in righteousness and true holiness? (Ephesians 4:24)

WHY aren't these people claiming to be "clumsy" embracing and living by the Lord's precious promises by which we are partakers of his divine nature? (2 Peter 1:4)




If I spill milk, which is very rare because the Lord trained me long ago to minimize mistakes like this by PAYING ATTENTION to what I'm doing - I don't over think it, and I move on with my life.

People need to walk by faith not be sight. Those focused on their mistakes are listening to the devil and not being led by the Lord. They need to renew their mind and understanding and quit making everything to be all about them and their short comings.

That's one think people need to understand about those that have been abused or who abuse themselves by listening to the lies the devil tells them about themselves is that - it's all about them!

That's why it's hard to reach these people because it's all about them and they just won't put their eyes on the Lord and die to self and live for Him being led by the Holy Spirit to believe, speak, think, and act on God's promises!

Rather than be guilty of a clumsy attempt at an English grammar lesson I will instead refer to a dictionary search for the meaning of clumsiness. It's not the correct word to use for sinful carnality, or moral failure. That's why translators don't use that word when laziness is the correct word. They are not interchangeable. It just wouldn't be very kind or Christlike to accuse a clumsy person (whose clumsiness can be improved with practice and training of motor skills) of needing to repent. The person who tells a clumsy person to repent of being clumsy is guilty of the real sin in that scenario. That's really all I have to say about this topic.

 

[Carlyw]

Have you tried paying attention to what you are doing and believing the Lord for His help so you aren't clumsy?

Clumsy people are going to cause someone to get killed and/or cause destruction of property.

Im pretty clumsy my whole life, and its never caused anyone to get hurt...besides me. And its most certainly never caused property damage. I just fall sometimes, or walk into walls and whatnot. If anything ill get a few laughs.

 

[StanDupp]

Maybe one day you'll outgrow being an ignorant, arrogant jackdonkey.

That's a common crybaby reply we get from those that don't know God's Word very well who are still in diapers.

Im pretty clumsy my whole life, and its never caused anyone to get hurt...besides me. And its most certainly never caused property damage. I just fall sometimes, or walk into walls and whatnot. If anything ill get a few laughs.

Christians are called to be conformed to the Image of God's Son (Romans 8:29) and He is not clumsy.

Did they tell you when you were a child that you were clumsy and you would always be clumsy?

Why wouldn't you want to identify with the Lord??? He's not clumsy!

Isn't it time to renew your mind and be like the Lord?

 

[Carlyw]

That's a common crybaby reply we get from those that don't know God's Word very well who are still in diapers.






Christians are called to be conformed to the Image of God's Son (Romans 8:29) and He is not clumsy.

Did they tell you when you were a child that you were clumsy and you would always be clumsy?

Why wouldn't you want to identify with the Lord??? He's not clumsy!

Isn't it time to renew your mind and be like the Lord?

And he also turned water into wine, rose people up from the dead, healed blindness, died for our sins.

He did many things, things that most of us will never get to do, and some we will never be able to do.

Whether Jesus was clumsy or not, we wouldnt know. As it wasnt of importance to the authors of the Gosples to mention whether or not he stumbled sometimes. He was in the flesh, he may have tripped and fallen. We do not know.

More importantly what does Jesus clearly command of us through his word? Well it seems that he asks for us to love others, stay humble, be gentle yet truthful, to witness to others not only in word but in action, to avoid sin, be faithful, go the extra mile, forgive people...Theres many many things hes commanded us to do, I do not see a command against clumsiness.

Not only that, I do not see a command against clumsiness in the gosples or the epistles, or a connection to it as a sin.

I will continue to follow him as I feel im being prompted, I will continue to pray, read and learn that I may have the dicernment and know where the Spirit is guiding me. I will follow what has been directly asked of me as best as I can, extending grace as I fail, trying to do better.

^^Okay this all was from a Biblical standpoint^^

Now let's move on to a less important view, the physical and psychological aspects of clumsiness

Some people have genetic disorders,

they're born with abnormalities within their physique that cause the appearance of clumsiness. These people are not to be at fault for their genetic difficulties.

Some people have less brain processing capabilities, they can not focus on many things at once, and this causes them to stumble when taking on more than one task,

This could appear to be clumsiness.

You never know what might be causing something.

Oh ADD, big one. I have this, its hard to not be clumsy when your brain is hyper active. Even when i try to control my brain, which im pretty decent at, I find myself bumping into walls, falling, walking into doors... always fun stuff...

I dont think most people just choose to be clumsy friend, clumsiness is a observable trait that people exhibit for many different reasons out of their control. We can try to be less clumsy, but we will still be clumsy.

Now if someone were thinking "wow I would really just love to walk into this door right now"...I would have a lot of questions.. but thats not exactly whats going on.

My questions for you are, what do you have against clumsiness?

Are you traumatized by it in some sense?

Why do you dislike it so much?

How have you been affected by it?

Whats shaping your views around it?

 

[StanDupp]

Whether Jesus was clumsy or not, we wouldnt know.

Jesus was perfect and never once sinned or fell short of God's absolute perfection.

We're called to be like Him, not try to make Him like us.

Now let's move on to a less important view, the physical and psychological aspects of clumsiness

I'll pass.

I'm called to be like Jesus so I won't be studying or identifying with making mistakes, or being careless.

My questions for you are, what do you have against clumsiness?

It doesn't come from the Lord Jesus

How have you been affected by it?

Yes, others have "been clumsy" and have caused all kinds of problems.

Then they get upset if I don't go clean up their mess as they refuse to take responsibility for their own screw ups.

 

[Carlyw]

Jesus was perfect and never once sinned or fell short of God's absolute perfection.

We're called to be like Him, not try to make Him like us.





I'll pass.

I'm called to be like Jesus so I won't be studying or identifying with making mistakes, or being careless.





It doesn't come from the Lord Jesus





Yes, others have "been clumsy" and have caused all kinds of problems.

Then they get upset if I don't go clean up their mess as they refuse to take responsibility for their own screw ups.

Jesus was perfect and never fell short of Gods glory, youre right. But what youre missing is that the Bible never outlined clumsiness as a sin. You are calling something sinful that hasn't been condenmed by God. Jesus may or may not have been clumsy at times, he had to eat and drink, he was alive existinv within flesh just as we are. He may or may not have fallen once or twice, he may have choked on food while eating, he may have had common human exipiriences due to his humanity, which are not sinful.

I am not trying to make Jesus like us, but I think your opinions are more ridged than scripture implicitly outlines. We know he shared many common human expiriences with us, he cried, got angry, had to withdrawal at times, ate food, drank water/wine, He sought His father in everything, he humbled himself and became like us for a time. But
being God himself, was perfect. Better than we can ever be here on earth. Still, I dont believe clumsiness is a Sin.

You make mistakes, its okay to make mistakes. We all avoid making mistakes. Some make more than others, and thats okay too. Nobody is perfect.

If you were to read it, you would have learned that careless is not akin to clumsiness with absolute certainty. You would develop compassion for those who make mistakes, because sometimes they cant help it, despite trying their best. You sound overwhelmingly harsh and cruel, and close minded. I do not believe this is what Christ would ask of you either. Compassion is something he has shown to people.

If people have one leg longer than the other, neuropathy, inner ear imbalances, some autoimmune disorders(POTS), anemia, some neurological disorders(ADD, ADHD, Autism), even some mental illnesses caused by Trauma(PTSD/C-PTSD, anxiety), can cause clumsiness. These people deserve compassion and empathy. They have a whole lot on their plate, many do not wish to be clumsy but are.

Others being Clumsy isnt an issue, what is the issue is lack of accountability, and a inability to be honest and take responsibility for ones actions. To put blame on someone else and expect them to fix your mess is not okay. If they are Christian, their Job would be to humbly admit their fault, apologize and fix whatever they messed up. If they arent physically capable due to disabilities or such, they could have a supervisor help them, or maybe someone overrun by compassion might help them.

Now if they arent Christian, they lack good proper authority to which they are guided to follow. It can be hard to reason with them, especially atheist. They may not take accountability or feel the need to, that is the main issue though. You could tell on them, or simply clean up after them. I chose the latter.

 

[Kainos]

I thumped my head off the same garage door twice today. I thought the pain was the end of the matter, but now I find out the fires of hell are being stoked for klutzes like me.

I can only apologise to my guardian angel for my lack of coordination and grace in movement, because he's about to lose his job.

 

[Carlyw]

I thumped my head off the same garage door twice today. I thought the pain was the end of the matter, but now I find out the fires of hell are being stoked for klutzes like me.

I can only apologise to my Guardian Angel for my lack of coordination and grace in movement, because he's about to lose his job.

Lol right? Didn't know I would trip my way into hell...