The ThreeFold Nature of Man

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studentoftheword said:
The only focus that True Believers have------ IS ---Building up the Body of Christ in Agape amongst the True believing Church ----The Division comes NOT From True Believing Church ----it comes from the False Believers who have infiltrated the Church of True Believers ---and The False Believers need to be Weeded out of the True Believing Church ---only then will you have peace --harmony and Agape flowing through the True Believing Church -----

True believers who Agape God with all their Heart --soul --mind and strength with not be divided -----they will work together in Agape to please and obey God -----

Satan"s influence is the divider in God's True Church ------ the Wolf in Sheep's clothing ----


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“The False Believers need to be Weeded out of the True Believing Church”
This would result in persecution.

In Matthew 13:24 - 30 and 36-43 Jesus explained this principle in the parable of the wheat and the tares. He also said that he would separate the wheat from the tares. It sounds like the judgement, but men can make errors, Jesus doesn’t.

[Mat 13:30 KJV] 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
 
rrcn said:
This would result in persecution.
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No --it would not -----it would eliminate Satan trying to cause division and Corruption in God's True Church -----

False Prophets hinder the Way of Christ -----these want a bee Followers of the way are a hindrance to God's work ---

Jesus calls out all False Prophets -----who are unbelievers ---trying to infiltrate His true Church ---and He Calls a SPADE A SPADE

AI Overview

Jesus calls out the Pharisees in many verses, most notably in

Matthew 23, which includes a series of "woes" directed at their hypocrisy, their selective enforcement of the law, and their love of public honor. Other verses that show Jesus confronting them include Matthew 16:6 (warning against their "leaven" of hypocrisy),

Luke 11:39-44 (criticizing their focus on outward cleanliness while their hearts were corrupt), and

Matthew 12:39 (refusing to give them a sign and calling them an evil generation).

Matthew 23: The "Woes of the Pharisees"

  • Hypocrisy:
    "You clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness" (Luke 11:39). Jesus contrasts their external cleanliness with their internal corruption.

    • Burdening others:
      They "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them" (Matthew 23:4).
    • Love of honor:
      They "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues" (Matthew 23:6).
    • False piety:
      They make long prayers to be seen by men and devour widows' houses (Matthew 23:14).
    • Misleading others:
      They are described as "blind guides" who lead others astray. Jesus warns that they "shut up the kingdom of heaven against men" (Matthew 23:13).
    • Focus on trivialities:
      They obsess over tithing small herbs while neglecting "the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness" (Matthew 23:23).
Other key passages
    • Matthew 16:6:
      Jesus warns his disciples to "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees." The "leaven" is interpreted as hypocrisy.
    • Luke 11:43:
      Jesus describes their love of honor: "Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and are greeted with respect in the marketplaces".
    • Mark 7:1–13:
      Jesus confronts them for having a double standard, where they value their own traditions above the commands of God.
I say --------Paul ----follows Jesus' lead in his Church and tells his church to oust the unbelievers who are causing division and corruption in the True Church -----
 
studentoftheword said:
No --it would not -----it would eliminate Satan trying to cause division and Corruption in God's True Church -----

False Prophets hinder the Way of Christ -----these want a bee Followers of the way are a hindrance to God's work ---

Jesus calls out all False Prophets -----who are unbelievers ---trying to infiltrate His true Church ---and He Calls a SPADE A SPADE

AI Overview

Jesus calls out the Pharisees in many verses, most notably in

Matthew 23, which includes a series of "woes" directed at their hypocrisy, their selective enforcement of the law, and their love of public honor. Other verses that show Jesus confronting them include Matthew 16:6 (warning against their "leaven" of hypocrisy),

Luke 11:39-44 (criticizing their focus on outward cleanliness while their hearts were corrupt), and

Matthew 12:39 (refusing to give them a sign and calling them an evil generation).

Matthew 23: The "Woes of the Pharisees"

  • Hypocrisy:
    "You clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness" (Luke 11:39). Jesus contrasts their external cleanliness with their internal corruption.

    • Burdening others:
      They "tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them" (Matthew 23:4).
    • Love of honor:
      They "love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues" (Matthew 23:6).
    • False piety:
      They make long prayers to be seen by men and devour widows' houses (Matthew 23:14).
    • Misleading others:
      They are described as "blind guides" who lead others astray. Jesus warns that they "shut up the kingdom of heaven against men" (Matthew 23:13).
    • Focus on trivialities:
      They obsess over tithing small herbs while neglecting "the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness" (Matthew 23:23).
Other key passages
    • Matthew 16:6:
      Jesus warns his disciples to "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees." The "leaven" is interpreted as hypocrisy.
    • Luke 11:43:
      Jesus describes their love of honor: "Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and are greeted with respect in the marketplaces".
    • Mark 7:1–13:
      Jesus confronts them for having a double standard, where they value their own traditions above the commands of God.
I say --------Paul ----follows Jesus' lead in his Church and tells his church to oust the unbelievers who are causing division and corruption in the True Church -----
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Jesus knew all men:
[Jhn 2:24 KJV] 24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all [men],

The problem is some wheat may look and act like tares, while some of tares may look and act like wheat.
We are not qualified to judge any man's character, we can look at their works, but the judgement will come from someone who will never make a mistake.

[Mat 13:36-41 KJV] 36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Jhn 8:15-18 KJV - 15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

1Co 4:3-5 KJV - 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
 
rrcn said:
The problem is some wheat may look and act like tares, while some of tares may look and act like wheat.
We are not qualified to judge any man's character, we can look at their works, but the judgement will come from someone who will never make a mistake.
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So are you saying then that Jesus was wrong in Judging the Character of the Pharisees ????????????

Cause Jesus did Judge them very harshly and there is righteous Judgment ------

Believers are not to Judge Unbelievers Character because they are under Satan who is the God of this world ----and they are living like the world lives -------

If someone is Claiming to be a Believer and is causing Conflict and Chaos in the True Church ---then the believer has cause to rightly remove that person as their Character is not of God and is interfering in what God wants for His Church ---which is peace --harmony and Obedience -------

Jesus turned over the tables of the Money Changers who were ruining His Church -----Righteous anger and Righteous Judgment ----shown here By Jesus who is our Example

Jesus called the Pharisees ---VIPERS and Hypocrites and defiled people on the Inside -----righteous Judgment here------Jesus said they were not of God but that Satan was their father -----

Are you saying Paul here is wrong in what he is telling his Church to do ====?????????????????

AI Overview


Paul instructs church members to remove troublemakers in
Romans 16:17-18, advising them to "watch out for those who cause divisions and obstacles contrary to the doctrine" and "avoid them". He also gives instructions for dealing with a serious offender in the Corinthian church in 1 Corinthians 5:4-5, saying to "hand this person over to Satan" for the destruction of the flesh, a directive that is supported by the idea of purging evil from the community in 1 Corinthians 5:13.

Specific instructions from Paul
  • Romans 16:17-18: "Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting".
  • 1 Corinthians 5:4-5: "When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and I am with you in spirit, and with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord".
  • 1 Corinthians 5:13: "Purge the evil person from among you".
  • Titus 3:10: "Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning".
  • 2 John 10: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting".

Paul's approach to troublemakers
  • Identifies their actions: Paul identifies troublemakers as those who cause divisions and obstacles, who distort the gospel, or who have selfish desires.
  • Explains their motivation: He attributes their behavior to self-centered appetites rather than a desire to serve Christ.
  • Gives a warning: He warns believers to watch out for these individuals.
  • Provides a method for dealing with them: His methods ranged from simple avoidance and not greeting them, to more severe action like "handing them over to Satan".
  • Explains the purpose: The purpose of these actions is to protect the church's unity and purity, and to prompt the troublemaker to repen
 
studentoftheword said:
So are you saying then that Jesus was wrong in Judging the Character of the Pharisees ????????????

Cause Jesus did Judge them very harshly and there is righteous Judgment ------

Believers are not to Judge Unbelievers Character because they are under Satan who is the God of this world ----and they are living like the world lives -------

If someone is Claiming to be a Believer and is causing Conflict and Chaos in the True Church ---then the believer has cause to rightly remove that person as their Character is not of God and is interfering in what God wants for His Church ---which is peace --harmony and Obedience -------

Jesus turned over the tables of the Money Changers who were ruining His Church -----Righteous anger and Righteous Judgment ----shown here By Jesus who is our Example

Jesus called the Pharisees ---VIPERS and Hypocrites and defiled people on the Inside -----righteous Judgment here------Jesus said they were not of God but that Satan was their father -----

Are you saying Paul here is wrong in what he is telling his Church to do ====?????????????????

AI Overview


Paul instructs church members to remove troublemakers in
Romans 16:17-18, advising them to "watch out for those who cause divisions and obstacles contrary to the doctrine" and "avoid them". He also gives instructions for dealing with a serious offender in the Corinthian church in 1 Corinthians 5:4-5, saying to "hand this person over to Satan" for the destruction of the flesh, a directive that is supported by the idea of purging evil from the community in 1 Corinthians 5:13.

Specific instructions from Paul
  • Romans 16:17-18: "Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting".
  • 1 Corinthians 5:4-5: "When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and I am with you in spirit, and with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord".
  • 1 Corinthians 5:13: "Purge the evil person from among you".
  • Titus 3:10: "Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning".
  • 2 John 10: "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting".

Paul's approach to troublemakers
  • Identifies their actions: Paul identifies troublemakers as those who cause divisions and obstacles, who distort the gospel, or who have selfish desires.
  • Explains their motivation: He attributes their behavior to self-centered appetites rather than a desire to serve Christ.
  • Gives a warning: He warns believers to watch out for these individuals.
  • Provides a method for dealing with them: His methods ranged from simple avoidance and not greeting them, to more severe action like "handing them over to Satan".
  • Explains the purpose: The purpose of these actions is to protect the church's unity and purity, and to prompt the troublemaker to repen
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Jesus never made a mistake and never will. if you read through the parable of the tares and wheat in particular Matt. 13:24 - 30 & Matt. 13:36 - 41. You may see that the matter must be balanced. While those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church we can't accurately judge character and motive. You may be pre-judging someone who Christ is drawing to himself. Man judges from appearance, God from the heart.

1Sa 16:7 KJV - 7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Jer 17:10 KJV - 10 I the LORD search the heart, try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.

Rev 2:23 KJV - 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
 
rrcn said:
You may be pre-judging someone who Christ is drawing to himself. Man judges from appearance, God from the heart.
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You are not judging from their appearance ---you are judging by their Fruit they are displaying --their ACTIONS and BEHAVIOUR ----and that is how we are to rightly Judge --

You seem to need some Bible Knowledge on righteous Judgment -----what it is and what it isn't ---by what your posting ------

AI

The Bible verse is found in

Matthew 7:16, where Jesus says, "By their fruit you will recognize them". It is part of a larger teaching in which Jesus warns about false prophets and explains that their true nature can be understood by observing their actions and the results of their lives.
The complete passage can be found in Matthew 7:15-20.

  • What it means:
    The phrase "by their fruits" refers to the actions and character that result from a person's life and beliefs.

    • Context:
      The verse is used as a way to identify false prophets who might present themselves in a positive way but whose true nature can be discerned through the "fruit" they bear.
    • Example:
      Jesus explains that a good tree will produce good fruit, and a bad tree will produce bad fruit, and you can't gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles.
    • Key takeaway: ---------IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GET HERE
      The verse is a warning to look beyond words and appearances to judge the authenticity of individuals by the evidence of their lives.


WORTH REPEATING _______

    • Key takeaway: ---------IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GET HERE
      The verse is a warning to look beyond words and appearances to judge the authenticity of individuals by the evidence of their lives.
 
studentoftheword said:
You are not judging from their appearance ---you are judging by their Fruit they are displaying --their ACTIONS and BEHAVIOUR ----and that is how we are to rightly Judge --

You seem to need some Bible Knowledge on righteous Judgment -----what it is and what it isn't ---by what your posting ------

AI

The Bible verse is found in

Matthew 7:16, where Jesus says, "By their fruit you will recognize them". It is part of a larger teaching in which Jesus warns about false prophets and explains that their true nature can be understood by observing their actions and the results of their lives.
The complete passage can be found in Matthew 7:15-20.

  • What it means:
    The phrase "by their fruits" refers to the actions and character that result from a person's life and beliefs.

    • Context:
      The verse is used as a way to identify false prophets who might present themselves in a positive way but whose true nature can be discerned through the "fruit" they bear.
    • Example:
      Jesus explains that a good tree will produce good fruit, and a bad tree will produce bad fruit, and you can't gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles.
    • Key takeaway: ---------IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GET HERE
      The verse is a warning to look beyond words and appearances to judge the authenticity of individuals by the evidence of their lives.


WORTH REPEATING _______eepple dis

    • Key takeaway: ---------IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GET HERE
      The verse is a warning to look beyond words and appearances to judge the authenticity of individuals by the evidence of their lives.
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Do you mind if I ask what kind of behavior are these people displaying? Drunk, urinating on the pews, gunfights in the parking lot, dealing drugs in the restrooms? It must be pretty severe.
 
rrcn said:
Do you mind if I ask what kind of behavior are these people displaying? Drunk, urinating on the pews, gunfights in the parking lot, dealing drugs in the restrooms? It must be pretty severe.
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Now here your ignorance is showing as to your understanding of what Jesus and Paul are saying about Keeping False Christians out of the true Church -------

So these people are Hindering God's agenda to keep the peace and harmony and obedience to what His Will is for HIS TRUE CHURCH ----they are causing DISCORD and UPHEAVAL in the True Church--by sowing ---Doubt and unbelief of the Gospel being preached ------they continue to sin and are not repenting -----

The Pharisees are a great example of this ---they are False Christians who are not adhering to the true Gospel ---and are making up their own rules for others to follow -------

They are parading like they are true Christians but they are not ------they are False Christians who's behaviour and acts are going against the Behaviour of True Christians ------

True Christians want to PLEASE GOD ____False Christians want to PLEASE THEMSELVES ---their Motives are selfish and worldly -----and are a danger to the True Church ------

AI Overview


In the Bible, unbelievers causing disruption is often described in terms of introducing
false teachings, engaging in sinful behavior, or creating divisions that compromise the faith and unity of the Christian community.

Biblical Meaning of the Disruption
The "disruption" caused by unbelievers typically stems from their fundamental lack of faith and spiritual discernment (2 Corinthians 4:4; Jude 1:19).

Sowing Discord/Division: Proverbs 6:16-19 lists "one who sows discord among brothers" as something the Lord hates. Unbelievers, or those acting in a worldly manner, can create factions and strife within the church community, which harms its witness and focus on the Great Commission.

False Teaching/Doctrine: The New Testament epistles frequently warn against individuals who introduce doctrines contrary to the apostolic teaching (Romans 16:17-18; Titus 3:9-11). This "disruption" involves leading believers astray from the truth of the Gospel.

Worldly Behavior: Unbelievers who remain in unrepentant sin can be a source of negative influence, pressuring believers to leave their Christian principles behind for the sake of worldly desires (1 Corinthians 15:33).
 
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