Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Probably not unless you tell me the point you are making and how that ties into the question.
made the point several times in this thread
Gods Godly sorrow that only he has is given
Where is it given
What comes next
This verse isn't about eternal salvation ... Paul was mainly addressing their response to his letters about their behaviors. They accepted his criticism with repentant hearts and he was pleased about this outcome.
They were saved individuals.
Context!
really m
New International Version
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Do you see his living hope ?
Wouldn't be his Godly sorrow would it
I don't suppose you'll see his living hope here will you m
New International Version
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Are we saved in his living hope
So...a godly sorrow that works repentance unto salvation is not about salvation?
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy (Godly sorrow living hope) has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
tie this in with
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death
And your point is what precisely: That Judas was one of God's chosen ones but he blew his assignment? Or his mere presence at the Last Supper means Jesus brought Judas (the "devil", cf. Jn 6:70-71)) into a covenant relationship with Him?
As pointed out the other day, Judas was LOST (Jn 17:12), which means he stood condemned with the rest of the lost humanity.
Also, Judas, unlike the 11 apostles, was spiritually unclean (Jn 13:10-11)
The bottom line with Judas is that he was not kept by Jesus (Jn 17:12) because the Father never gave Judas to Jesus to save (Jn 18:9). Judas was a very important player in the death of Christ and as Jesus himself said, the scriptures (pertaining to Christ's betrayer) had to be fulfilled!
Just because Judas was present at the Supper doesn't make him a saint -- or that he had been saved but then lost his salvation. In fact, I pointed out in my post about him that he decided to leave the Supper -- so he willingly separated himself from Jesus and the other disciples, apparently loving the Darkness (Death) because of his evil heart. This reminds me of the spiritual principle John wrote in 1Jn 2:18-19! Judas was clearly an antichrist, a child of the devil and was possessed by the devil (Jn 13:27; Lk 22:3). It's no wonder at all that Judas freely chose to leave Christ -- which was what he was destined to do, proving once again the compatibility of man's will here in temporal reality with God's decretuve will in eternity.
Took some practice m but I've finally got within 4 tenths of a world record at Daytona woopeee
I believe God felt sorry for me m
Welcome to the thread.
Just wanna give ya a heads up that there are some FWers (freewillers) here who are huge fans of Adam -- even believing he's the human race's "superhero" according to one. Very many here believe God saved Adam, even though there's isn't a modicum of evidence that Adam repented and trusted in God to support that allegation. So...Adam idolatry (which by extension exalts all his fallen progeny, as well) is alive and well, so you'll likely step on a few toes if you dis "saint" Adam.
But no unregenerated sinner was humble in eternity when God determined to graciously save them by grace in time and space. Humble at the "point" of salvation doesn't mean diddly squat because the sanctifying grace of God could well have preceded one's actual new birth for years!
In fact, I just read a fascinating testimony in a news story about a woman who had been steeped in occult practices for many years, and who had been struggling with God, turned to Jesus for a short time, then left then finally returned for good. Clearly God had been gracious working in this woman's life for some time -- even though she wasn't humble at all.
I know you probably hat the fact that one's humility that's prerequisite for receiving grace is totally bound up in the Humble Servant of God who took on flesh so that he could save mankind. God, too, worked actively in my life for at least 2 years before I was saved. But his grace was not based on any inherent humility in me. The only time true humility entered my mind, heart and soul was at the point of my new birth.
Yes, I know hermeneutics is not high on your list, salvation from temporal judgement.
Next!!
Do your homework. 2 Corinthians 7:10 isn't speaking about temporal deliverance from sin, but a permanent deliverance.
Yes, I know hermeneutics is not high on your list, salvation from temporal judgement.
Next!!
Jesus specifically said of Judas that he was a devil, and unclean. Not a believer. How
anyone can interpret all that to mean saved is beyond me, but I know people do..
Cameron, repentance that leads to salvation does not mean what you think it does, or even what it says!
When oh when will you learn that to free willers, Scripture does not mean what it plainly states????
Crazy town around here with all the denials of what Scripture plainly states.
Thank you. I was feeling a little down from the other day when I learned I had been horribly wrong concerning Jericho. All this time I was under the impression it was about the omnipotence, judgment, and sovereignty of God. Imagine my dismay when I learned it was actually evangelistic outreach, complete with musical accompaniment.