Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Kroogz]

The biblical soteriology does not change the character of God, yours does, so maybe you are in the wrong lane.

FTFY.

 

[Cameron143]

The biblical soteriology does not change the character of God, yours does, so maybe you are in the wrong lane.

Only in your CDS mind. In fact, your overemphasis on a singular attribute of God is counter to God's plan to fill the earth with the knowledge of His glory.

 

[BillyBob]

God's Grace gift is offered to all. By His Grace it is offered equally to each and every individual who has ever lived.

I would agree with this statement, the offer is to all. But only those who have been chosen and drawn to Christ by the Spirit will be enabled to believe.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

well thanks but for me it is a song about God because he's a Christian and in interview he said his lyrics where inspired by God

I've never heard that interview ... I have heard interviews in which he explained his situation when he wrote the lyrics ... I have read that Sting grew up Catholic but he does not practice Catholicism.

But the fact that you once again take my believe away is testimony to your ways m

no one can take away your belief

.

 

[Genez]

I don't think the free willies have that passage in their Bible.

I don't think you snobs understand how God frees man's enslaved will.
Fallen man's will that was not free to begin with....
And, enjoy being very smug about it with your cyber friends.

You belong to a self-righteousness clique that approves of one another.
It is a false teaching that appeals to those who suffer with a "humble" superiority complex.

Now?
Go, repent?
Nope!

You love your flesh.
And, so does your mutual admiration society.

Irresistible grace?

The Hocus Pocus of God...
"POOF!" - "You are saved.'

Smug. But... having no understanding of doctrines that would explain it all.

Have a nice day...

 

[Jordon]

And so listen to the song again Mrs @reneweddaybyday are you going to take his beliefs away again.

 

[Cameron143]

This is kind of a crappy comparison in my opinion because God when he picked isreal didnt condemn every other human on earth to die and burn in hell.

He didn't reveal Himself to them personally. He didn't enter into special relationship to them. He didn't defeat their enemies. What happened to all those people?

 

[Genez]

I would agree with this statement, the offer is to all. But only those who have been chosen and drawn to Christ by the Spirit will be enabled to believe.

Many are called? - Saved!
But, out of the many who are saved?

Only a few have been chosen to serve with Christ in His reign!
Others are to be disqualified to reign with Him, because they failed to overcome (false teachings that they wanted to live by).

Amazing how it works.
Its called, "understanding."

 

[Kroogz]

Yeah, it's about the false prophets forgetting their heritage -- forgetting that God REDEEMED ancient Israel from their bondage in Egypt -- and by extension all their ancestors down through the centuries. To "redeem", by the way means to buy back.

In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!” They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this. —Luke 22:20-23

Do notice @Rufus........Judas was sitting with Him.


But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. —Hebrews 2:9

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. —2 Peter 2:1

Reformed/calvie/tulip theory denies The Lord Jesus Christ of His rightful Glory.

 

[Jordon]

I've never heard that interview ... I have heard interviews in which he explained his situation when he wrote the lyrics ... I have read that Sting grew up Catholic but he does not practice Catholicism.





no one can take away your belief

.

well I have and I have heard from people who know him

 

[Rufus]

This is kind of a crappy comparison in my opinion because God when he picked isreal didnt condemn every other human on earth to die and burn in hell.

On the other hand, God made NO redemptive covenant with the Gentile nations. So...there's that. Maybe by the grace of God, you'll figure it out someday.

 

[Magenta]

I don't think the free willies have that passage in their Bible.

They speak of being made alive in Christ as if it were some magic trick.

It is just another one of several ways FWers blaspheme God.

 

[Rufus]

In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!” They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this. —Luke 22:20-23

Do notice @Rufus........Judas was sitting with Him.


But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. —Hebrews 2:9

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. —2 Peter 2:1

Reformed/calvie/tulip theory denies The Lord Jesus Christ of His rightful Glory.

Two things: First Judas was a Jew! So, when Jesus instituted the NC at the Supper, he did so with all Jews!

Secondly, I kinda doubt that Jesus made a covenant with one of the devil's own (Jn 6:70)! Judas had it in his heart already to betray Christ and Jesus knew this. The 11 remained with Jesus at the supper table, but Judas separated himself from Jesus and the true disciples to perform his dastardly deed.

 

[Magenta]

Two things: First Judas was a Jew! So, when Jesus instituted the NC at the Supper, he did so with all Jews!

Secondly, I kinda doubt that Jesus made a covenant with one of the devil's own (Jn 6:70)! Judas had it in his heart already to betray Christ and Jesus knew this. The 11 remained with Jesus at the supper table, but Judas separated himself from Jesus and the true disciples to perform his dastardly deed.

Jesus said Judas was unclean, and a devil, and not believing (which Jesus
knew from the beginning). Some interpret that to mean he was saved.

 

[Kroogz]

Two things: First Judas was a Jew! So, when Jesus instituted the NC at the Supper, he did so with all Jews!

Secondly, I kinda doubt that Jesus made a covenant with one of the devil's own (Jn 6:70)! Judas had it in his heart already to betray Christ and Jesus knew this. The 11 remained with Jesus at the supper table, but Judas separated himself from Jesus and the true disciples to perform his dastardly deed.

" I pour out for you, but not Judas." @Rufus translation.

You are all over the place today. Nothing is about Israel and the Jews to everything is about Israel and the Jews.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all.....We get this wrong, and we end up with a precariously stacked pile of .

 

[Rufus]

One of the newbies here yesterday doubted that the mind of man is seated in his heart along with the other 3 faculties. Here are a few passages that prove my premise:

Gen 6:5
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
NIV

Apparently, "thoughts" not only originate in a person's mind but are also situated in his heart.

Prov 2:2
2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding,
NIV

Evidently, "understanding" extends beyond the mind -- all the way down to the heart.

Prov 23:7
7 For as he thinks within himself, so he is.
He says to you, "Eat and drink!"
But his heart is not with you.
NASB

Thinking within oneself is relegated to the heart.

Matt 9:4
4 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, "Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts..."?
NIV

Again, we have Jesus, this time, teaching that evil thoughts originate in our hearts in which man's intellect/mind reside.

 

[Magenta]

I would agree with this statement, the offer is to all. But only those who have
been chosen and drawn to Christ by the Spirit will be enabled to believe.

Scripture also clarifies that the power of Christ and the gospel is to those who are called.

 

[PennEd]

I don't think you snobs understand how God frees man's enslaved will.
Fallen man's will that was not free to begin with....
And, enjoy being very smug about it with your cyber friends.

You belong to a self-righteousness clique that approves of one another.
It is a false teaching that appeals to those who suffer with a "humble" superiority complex.

Now?
Go, repent?
Nope!

You love your flesh.
And, so does your mutual admiration society.

Irresistible grace?

The Hocus Pocus of God...
"POOF!" - "You are saved.'

Smug. But... having no understanding of doctrines that would explain it all.

Have a nice day...

You're right.

I should probably join your gang, that believes you are smarter in understanding the Bible, more moral, and basically just better people than those that DON'T believe and accept Jesus Christ!

Otherwise, tell us WHY YOU chose Jesus, and THEY DIDN'T?

Are you wiser? More moral? a better person than they?

I'd really like to know.

 

[Jordon]

One of the newbies here yesterday doubted that the mind of man is seated in his heart along with the other 3 faculties. Here are a few passages that prove my premise:

Gen 6:5
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
NIV

Apparently, "thoughts" not only originate in a person's mind but are also situated in his heart.

Prov 2:2
2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding,
NIV

Evidently, "understanding" extends beyond the mind -- all the way down to the heart.

Prov 23:7
7 For as he thinks within himself, so he is.
He says to you, "Eat and drink!"
But his heart is not with you.
NASB

Thinking within oneself is relegated to the heart.

Matt 9:4
4 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, "Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts..."?
NIV

Again, we have Jesus, this time, teaching that evil thoughts originate in our hearts in which man's intellect/mind reside.

it's more like inner temptation and outer temptation can appeal to the heart or mind.

 

[cv5]

Here is the correct order, which you and your God-blaspheming ilk will never get right
as long as you deny election, which you despise along with God's sovereignty:

Those God foreknew, He also predestined, and those He predestined, He also
called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.

No you've got that all wrong.

Predestined = "to (yet future ) obtain a thing".

[Eph 1:11 KJV]
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated G4309 (to obtain it) according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated (the FUTURE REALIZATION yet to be revealed!) according to the purpose of him (this INHERITANCE a part of the plan of God from eternity past!) who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

These "THINGS" are predestined for us":

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God has chosen ***THESE THINGS, namely*** blamelessness, conformation to His image, justification, adoption, obtaining an inheritance and glory ***FOR those*** who WILL believe, those who WILL CHOOSE to enter the covenant.

That's the gist of προορίζω proorizó, SG4309 .

And this term NEVER, EVER pertains to anything about God choosing any individual FOR SALVATION whatsoever and certainly nothing about "pre-birth Calvinistic selection" either.

The common error of mis-juggling the sequence and priority of terms and subjects and objects when presenting a thesis on "predestination" is really the problem.

Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he G4309 also did predestinate G4309 to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, G4309 them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


Eph 1:5
Having predestinated G4309 us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated G4309 according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

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Act 4:28
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before G4309 to be done.
(The cross, planned from before time, but by then had already arrived at the "destination/realization").

1Co 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained G4309 before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
(The cross, planned from before time, but by then had already arrived at the "destination/realization").