Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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I appreciate the perspective but I just see that as no increase, whereas there is always an increase in those God works in. Also, you haven't dealt with the aspect of injustice.
I'll try a sloppy analogy.

If I buy out every room in the Ritz Carlton, and invite everyone to come, but only half do, haven't I STILL paid for every room?

I think refusing the invitation from the Lord IS the unforgivable sin. You have literally trampled on the Blood of Christ by doing so.
 
I'll try a sloppy analogy.

If I buy out every room in the Ritz Carlton, and invite everyone to come, but only half do, haven't I STILL paid for every room?

I think refusing the invitation from the Lord IS the unforgivable sin. You have literally trampled on the Blood of Christ by doing so.
I know the lord is forgiving, and I wouldn't want to justify any actions he decides to take that are outside of his comfort zone that people might find unjust . Especially since he knows the person heart.

But he categorically states how much longer must I put up with you in his gospel m 🤩
 
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I'll try a sloppy analogy.

If I buy out every room in the Ritz Carlton, and invite everyone to come, but only half do, haven't I STILL paid for every room?

I think refusing the invitation from the Lord IS the unforgivable sin. You have literally trampled on the Blood of Christ by doing so.
The unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So we differ there.

The analogy isn't very good in my opinion. How about this: suppose my brother gets in trouble but I ask my dad if he will spank me in place of my brother and he agrees. Having spanked me in place of my brother, would my dad be just in still spanking my brother?
 
Your right I can see that point of view. However you do have to ask for forgiveness of those sins. Mine were not jist automatically forgiven I had to ask. And that injustice question can be used on the other side of the isle as well.

For instance if only the elect were pre destined to got to heaven then the non elect were pre destined to no go there. So when you die and you are standing in front of the man and he asks what is your excuse. And you awnser well all mighty God you pre destined me not to believe is that not an excuse?
You probably do not as of now understand this, but you have laid out what effectively is the excuse that Satan conjured up. And then sold to the fallen angels.

Same snake-oil, different targets.

Study study study sir. It is that which inoculates a person from the bite of the serpent.
It can take decades of study to mine out a big enough bag of golden truth nuggets sufficient to rest upon, so gird thy loins.....:sneaky:
 
Payment was not accepted by the people, more gaslighting.
Neither was the Gift RECEIVED.....
The Calvinists have God stuffing the Gift down everyone's throat whether they want it or not. Cuz "total depravity"....:rolleyes:
 
You probably do not as of now understand this, but you have laid out what effectively is the excuse that Satan conjured up. And then sold to the fallen angels.

Same snake-oil, different targets.

Study study study sir. It is that which inoculates a person from the bite of the serpent.
It can take decades of study to mine out a big enough bag of golden truth nuggets sufficient to rest upon, so gird thy loins.....:sneaky:

What did Satan sell to the fallen angels?
 
You probably do not as of now understand this, but you have laid out what effectively is the excuse that Satan conjured up. And then sold to the fallen angels.

Same snake-oil, different targets.

Study study study sir. It is that which inoculates a person from the bite of the serpent.
It can take decades of study to mine out a big enough bag of golden truth nuggets sufficient to rest upon, so gird thy loins.....:sneaky:
Luk 6:47
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Luk 6:48
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
 
You probably do not as of now understand this, but you have laid out what effectively is the excuse that Satan conjured up. And then sold to the fallen angels.

Same snake-oil, different targets.

Study study study sir. It is that which inoculates a person from the bite of the serpent.
It can take decades of study to mine out a big enough bag of golden truth nuggets sufficient to rest upon, so gird thy loins.....:sneaky:
your analogy still doesn't negate from the bible being clear that the lord knows a persons whole life m

whether you can accept this or not, is whether or not you can accept what other people believe.

Because there only believing what the word has to say.

It's all we have to go on then we take it to the lord.

But if we ask the lord right now. Do you know my whole life lord what does your heart say m

You may have to sit there in your heart waiting for a answer for a while do you ever do you that.
 
The unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So we differ there.
It definitely is. But since it's the Holy Spirit that works through people to offer the invitation, then refusing Him could still Qualify.

suppose my brother gets in trouble but I ask my dad if he will spank me in place of my brother and he agrees. Having spanked me in place of my brother, would my dad be just in still spanking my brother?
Not sure I'm following.
Jesus took the spanking for us all.

My sister in Florida attends R.C. Sproul's Church. He has passed, but you can't get much more Calvinistic than him, and even he agreed that if 1 John 2:2 means what it says, than he and Calvin were wrong on limited Atonement.

Don't you think the severity of the punishment fits not accepting the Invitation?

I'm not sure why Jesus couldn't have paid for the sin, but those who reject Him have all their debt put back on their ledger.

JUST like the guy that had ALL his debt forgiven. IT WAS PAID FOR!

But the Lord put ALL his debt back on his ledger because he proved he wasn't saved by refusing to forgive others. That parable seems pretty clear. He is delivered to be tortured UNTIL he repays every last cent. As we know, there is NO WAY to repay that debt in hell.

BUT, his debt was paid off at one time.
 
Those who do not believe perish, following the resurrection and judgment of all at the end
of this age, by passing into the second death, which believers do not experience. Unbelievers
do not know God, Jesus says He does not know them, and it is Jesus Who is responsible for
revealing the Father to people, it is HIS choice despite what free willers claim. Knowing God and
Jesus Christ results in salvation. That is correct doctrine and it matters despite what HeRose said.
 
Do you believe God accepted Jesus' payment for all mankind?

God's universal saving will is well documented throughout scripture.

In atonement... "all" means "all" without exception in this passage both in context and in the grammar of the original language.

I will pass on engaging you on your false logic argument for you false heretical belief

1 Timothy 2:3-7

3This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all people to be saved and too come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man1 Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given fat the proper time.
7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle. I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
 
God's universal saving will is well documented throughout scripture.
So is the fact that He blinds people and also allows Satan to blind people.

But one of your errors is claiming the gospel is not hid. Then to slither around the true meaning
of 1 Cor ch 2 v 14, you claim the gospel is not a spiritual matter. Truly quite concerning the
lengths you will go to uphold your vain self-exalting philosophically-based theology.


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2 Corinthians 4 verses 3-4 ~ 2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ Even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
 
It definitely is. But since it's the Holy Spirit that works through people to offer the invitation, then refusing Him could still Qualify.


Not sure I'm following.
Jesus took the spanking for us all.

My sister in Florida attends R.C. Sproul's Church. He has passed, but you can't get much more Calvinistic than him, and even he agreed that if 1 John 2:2 means what it says, than he and Calvin were wrong on limited Atonement.

Don't you think the severity of the punishment fits not accepting the Invitation?

I'm not sure why Jesus couldn't have paid for the sin, but those who reject Him have all their debt put back on their ledger.

JUST like the guy that had ALL his debt forgiven. IT WAS PAID FOR!

But the Lord put ALL his debt back on his ledger because he proved he wasn't saved by refusing to forgive others. That parable seems pretty clear. He is delivered to be tortured UNTIL he repays every last cent. As we know, there is NO WAY to repay that debt in hell.

BUT, his debt was paid off at one time.
Blasphemy against the Spirit is a very particular thing. He doesn't say it is refusing the Spirit. He says it is saying Jesus did what He did by the power of Satan, and not the Spirit.

Hopefully you'll return to the analogy and answer whether my father would be just.

As far as the phrase...sins of the world, please consider: one of the things that Jews believed was that salvation was of the Jews. God dispelled this notion in Peter by sending him to Cornelius' house. In other words, Gentiles. Or as Revelation 7:9 puts it...every nation,kindred, people, and tongue...Put another way, all refers to people groups, and not every single person.