Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Genez]

They just don't like how you question them, but you do so to get a solid grasp on what they believe, and are always willing to disclose your beliefs when asked, unless it has become a matter where someone repeatedly refuses to answer your questions while demanding you answer theirs, and such abusive power plays are called out by you and for good reason, those others are the ones hiding what they believe, at times, knowing their opinions don't square with Scripture, or what has actually gone down in some discussion, we see it all the time with free willers willfully lying to misrepresent themselves and others... so this accusation of you is false as per usual. We have had people new to these convos enter them making provably false claims and they carry on in that vein for the duration of their stay... Even when the FWers repeatedly butcher Scripture and are corrected multiple times, they come back and do it again, so it was nice to see one of those finally post the full verse and not butcher it as usual to make it say what they want it to instead of what it actually does.

Too bad, MSNBC is shutting down?
You could have found a job there.

But, they are going down because of what you do.

 

[Jordon]

“What is truth?” retorted Pilate."​

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well I don't expect anything else from a mind that is corrupt, to then ask the question what is truth after they've received it in 22 thousand posts m, whether it's been truth about truth or lies about truth

The truth or is it, I do believe I've sinned because Ive forgiven you 22 thousand times when it should be 77

 

[cv5]

They just don't like how you question them, but you do so to get a solid grasp on what they believe, and are always willing to disclose your beliefs when asked, unless it has become a matter where someone repeatedly refuses to answer your questions while demanding you answer theirs, and such abusive power plays are called out by you and for good reason, those others are the ones hiding what they believe, at times, knowing their opinions don't square with Scripture, or what has actually gone down in some discussion, we see it all the time with free willers willfully lying to misrepresent themselves and others... so this accusation of you is false as per usual. We have had people new to these convos enter them making provably false claims and they carry on in that vein for the duration of their stay... Even when the FWers repeatedly butcher Scripture and are corrected multiple times, they come back and do it again, so it was nice to see one of those finally post the full verse and not butcher it as usual to make it say what they want it to instead of what it actually does.

Nope, you've got that all wrong.....

ἐὰν ἀγαπᾶτέ με, τὰς ἐντολάς μου τηρήσετε. (John 14:15) "If you love me (and you might), you will keep my commandments."

 

[Jordon]

Do you believe Irresistible grace is an accurate understanding of how it works?
Can you explain how it works?

Do you believe Jesus only died for those who would believe?
And, did not die for the sins of the whole world?

And... If so?
Why is it so?

no point in him answering as your asking a question that you'll never ever believe

But again I would say more than likely the lords living hope

Because his word declares you where saved in his living hope

 

[Jordon]

Too bad, MSNBC is shutting down?
You could have found a job there.

But, they are going down because of what you do.

Did you get fed up with using your other accounts or something to insult her

 

[Jordon]

You ain't going to make it without sound doctrine!
None of us can....

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“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,​

Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.​

“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,​

So are My ways higher than your ways,​

And My thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9​

Religion only gets one to worship how one feels about a matter.

You want reality?
Do you really?

Maybe, you desire only to better perfect protecting your own sense of reality?

His thoughts are not our stuffy thoughts.

Learning sound doctrine is the only Way to be transformed correctly.
Sound doctrine is only for the humble.
For sound doctrine corrects.
For it will expose how stupid we wanted to be.

Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself ​

and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but ​

whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Matthew 16:24-25​

The corrections would demand that you lose your life.
Finding ways to counter the correction would be wanting to save your life!

For whoever would save his life will lose it, but ​

whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. ​

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The Holy Spirit must do the work.

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. Was the holy spirit in your last post m

 

[Genez]

Unlike many here, will answer your questions. Ask away.

You are the only person I have ever bumped into over the years that always lays claim that one has not answered your questions.

Why can you not ask them as a question, like everybody else does?

There might be a question buried in what you say?
But a question is not asked.

Learn to ask a question, as a question.

Next time, you tell me I did not answer your question?
I will demand that you keep narrowing down what was said, so the question can be seen.

It might take a while for you.
For it requires an honest exchange.

In the meanwhile, you speak in a denomination-code that only those who think like you can get a handle on.
They know what you are getting at.
So, they alone would see you asking questions.
It's like walking into a cult meeting for us.

But we do not have your perspective to see why it was being said.

It is just a set-up by you to make another look stupid to you and your friends.

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[Jordon]

You are the only person I have ever bumped into over the years that always lays claim that one has not answered your questions.

Why can you not ask them as a question, like everybody else does?

There might be a question buried in what you say?
But a question is not asked.

Learn to ask a question, as a question.

Next time, you tell me I did not answer your question?
I will demand that you keep narrowing down what was said, so the question can be seen.

It might take a while for you.
For it requires an honest exchange.

In the meanwhile, you speak in a denomination-code that only those who think like you can get a handle on.
They know what you are getting at.
So, they alone would see you asking questions.
It's like walking into a cult meeting for us.

But we do not have your perspective to see why it was being said.

It is just a set-up by you to make another look stupid to you and your friends.

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Yep well we have heard your constant dogmas disguised under the the name of the lord long enough to know it wont be tomorrow before your like magenta and Cameron, who have manners respect strong will,.good sense of humours, . Good integrity and wisdom and fruits of the spirit.

And good caring forgiveness

 

[Cameron143]

Do you believe Irresistible grace is an accurate understanding of how it works?
Can you explain how it works?

Do you believe Jesus only died for those who would believe?
And, did not die for the sins of the whole world?

And... If so?
Why is it so?

I believe when God sets His affections upon an individual and changes their hearts and opens their understanding and convicts them of their sins, such a one will inevitably receive the grace of God willingly.

I believe we see this in Acts 2:37 where God opens the understanding and changes the heart which leads to a change in the will.

Faith itself is a product of hearing and hearing a product of the word of God.

I do believe that Jesus died solely for the elect. If he died for the sins of all of mankind and God accepted that payment for all of mankind, then God would be unjust to later punish individuals for sins that He already accepted payment for.

 

[Cameron143]

You are the only person I have ever bumped into over the years that always lays claim that one has not answered your questions.

Why can you not ask them as a question, like everybody else does?

There might be a question buried in what you say?
But a question is not asked.

Learn to ask a question, as a question.

Next time, you tell me I did not answer your question?
I will demand that you keep narrowing down what was said, so the question can be seen.

It might take a while for you.
For it requires an honest exchange.

In the meanwhile, you speak in a denomination-code that only those who think like you can get a handle on.
They know what you are getting at.
So, they alone would see you asking questions.
It's like walking into a cult meeting for us.

But we do not have your perspective to see why it was being said.

It is just a set-up by you to make another look stupid to you and your friends.

....

More poor discernment.

 

[Jordon]

I believe when God sets His affections upon an individual and changes their hearts and opens their understanding and convicts them of their sins, such a one will inevitably receive the grace of God willingly.

I believe we see this in Acts 2:37 where God opens the understanding and changes the heart which leads to a change in the will.

Faith itself is a product of hearing and hearing a product of the word of God.

I do believe that Jesus died solely for the elect. If he died for the sins of all of mankind and God accepted that payment for all of mankind, then God would be unjust to later punish individuals for sins that He already accepted payment for.

you know he's never going to accept the elect means adoption to the son in your eyes.

He will once again think for you

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Unlike many here, will answer your questions. Ask away.

If someone asks you question, you usually (always?) don't respond with a forthright answer, but with a question. So what's the point of asking you questions?

 

[HeIsHere]

Cameron is not interested in you knowing exactly what he believes.
He is interested in testing and tearing down what you believe.

So far, that has been the case with my contact with him.

He wants to do all the offensive action.

If he told you what he believes?
Then he would have to concentrate on his own defense of his beliefs,
and lose the advantage of how he wants to arrange things with you.

He likes being the smiley faced "nice" ambusher.

IMHO

That is part of their training.

 

[Jordon]

If someone asks you question, you usually (always?) don't respond with a forthright answer, but with a question. So what's the point of asking you questions?

well I could ask you the same question

 

[Jackson129]

I believe when God sets His affections upon an individual and changes their hearts and opens their understanding and convicts them of their sins, such a one will inevitably receive the grace of God willingly.

I believe we see this in Acts 2:37 where God opens the understanding and changes the heart which leads to a change in the will.

Faith itself is a product of hearing and hearing a product of the word of God.

I do believe that Jesus died solely for the elect. If he died for the sins of all of mankind and God accepted that payment for all of mankind, then God would be unjust to later punish individuals for sins that He already accepted payment for.

Your last paragraph could you say it this way instead..... Jesus died for all of man kind only the elect take advantage of that sacrafice and leave the non elect without excuse. Isint that almost the same thing?

 

[Jordon]

If someone asks you question, you usually (always?) don't respond with a forthright answer, but with a question. So what's the point of asking you questions?

.maybe it's because like so many your questions already have the answers m well at least in my view

 

[Cameron143]

Your last paragraph could you say it this way instead..... Jesus died for all of man kind only the elect take advantage of that sacrafice and leave the non elect without excuse. Isint that almost the same thing?

Not exactly. I believe the impetus for choice rests solely with God and His activity. The choice is freely made by the individual but would not have been made apart from the intervention of God.
Also, it doesn't answer the question of injustice.

 

[Magenta]

If someone asks you question, you usually (always?) don't respond with a forthright answer, but with a question. So what's the point of asking you questions?

Unlike you who prefers to play dumb when it suits your purposes... Such as when you said you had no idea what I was talking about when I mentioned gnosticism to you a while back, after hundreds and hundreds of posts on it from you.

You are also one of those who speaks out of both sides of your mouth. You say man must be enabled to believe but that regeneration comes as a result of obedience when it's actually one or the other and not both... Scripture says plainly that the unregenerated person cannot obey.

 

[Jackson129]

.maybe it's because like so many your questions already have the answers m well at least in my view

Why do you feel like its a necessity to awnser questions not even asked to you?

 

[HeIsHere]

You are the only person I have ever bumped into over the years that always lays claim that one has not answered your questions.

Why can you not ask them as a question, like everybody else does?

There might be a question buried in what you say?
But a question is not asked.

Learn to ask a question, as a question.

Next time, you tell me I did not answer your question?
I will demand that you keep narrowing down what was said, so the question can be seen.

It might take a while for you.
For it requires an honest exchange.

In the meanwhile, you speak in a denomination-code that only those who think like you can get a handle on.
They know what you are getting at.
So, they alone would see you asking questions.
It's like walking into a cult meeting for us.

But we do not have your perspective to see why it was being said.

It is just a set-up by you to make another look stupid to you and your friends.

....

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This has been my "spidey sense" but I was not able to articulate the way you have. Bravo!
I dealt with this a lot!!! when I worked with a person who was diagnosed a narcissist.. all the gaslighting was beyond belief.

"walking" into a cult meeting" EXACTLY