Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Good Morning, Everyone

Yesterday someone here wrote a post alleging that God would be unjust and wouldn't be able to judge anyone if the Doctrines of Grace were true. I believe it was written by one of the newbies to this thread. Who wrote that, and what was your complaint, specifically?
 
I pray it is not intentional. I do hope and pray that they are not intentionally trying to be deceptive here.
But yes. We need to expose the anti-knowledge rhetoric going on here.
All they have to do is search the internet and learn about their own religion.
Even the Bible is tossed aside here.
I have tried several times to get folks to deal with all of the words in 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
There is no such thing as "might be saved" in Calvinism, and yet those words exist in 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
But I suppose ignorance is bliss.



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Yep I know you believe ignorance is bliss thanks for clarifying 😭😁🤐
 
Good Morning, Everyone

Yesterday someone here wrote a post alleging that God would be unjust and wouldn't be able to judge anyone if the Doctrines of Grace were true. I believe it was written by one of the newbies to this thread. Who wrote that, and what was your complaint, specifically?
Was it the same guy who basically said God would be being dishonest if He asked a question He knew the answer to?
 
Stop playing the victim card. You have referred to us as Arminian here on the forums. In other words, it does not seem fair that you can call us Arminian, but you cry foul when we call you Calvinists. Again, like Jordan, you are promoting anti-knowledge rhetoric and gaslighting us into trying to believe that no other groups of believers out there exist who self-identify as Calvinists who hold to Calvinistic teachings. This does not mean they hold to everything John Calvin said or did just because they say they are Calvinists. This does not mean they are followers of John Calvin, as if they are 100% sold-out loyalists to John Calvin, as if they worshiped him. So the 1 Corinthians 3 argument is not an exact match or point here unless you can prove that most self-identifying Calvinists say they are followers of John Calvin and they believe everything he taught, said, and did. You believe in Calvinistic teachings, and yet you do not like the label. That's great, but that does not mean I have to adhere to your belief system or labels. Even many other Calvinists do not agree with you. In fact, would you rebuke self-identifying Calvinists for calling you a Calvinist if they are unaware of your distaste for the Calvinist label?
"you are promoting anti-knowledge rhetoric"

Surely not a bug but a feature......:giggle:

As for "knowledge" how often has @NightTwister or @Jordon cobbled together some semblance of a legit Biblically supported exegetical thesis?
 
Calvinist is a label thrown around by those who do not like having the Bible truths they are
uncomfortable with presented to them, to smear those they disagree with, so they can pretend
we base our beliefs on some old dead guy and not the Bible, while they pat themselves on the
back for their beliefs, even though they contradict and deny what the Bible actually says, when
they are not busy rewriting it, sometimes even the very words of Jesus Christ Himself.
it's like the never ending fairy tale m 🤩
 
"you are promoting anti-knowledge rhetoric"

Surely not a bug but a feature......:giggle:

As for "knowledge" how often has @NightTwister or @Jordon cobbled together some semblance of a legit Biblically supported exegetical thesis?
are these two verse the same m my view is you can be a puppet if you want to be m

NiV

Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

New Living Translation
Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit.
 
There is nothing more frustrating than trying to guess what a person believes when they will not tell you where they stand theologically. That person just then becomes an unnecessary challenge rather than a help if they are not upfront about their beliefs when we have these kinds of discussions. It will then fall into a "You called me something I don't like or agree with" kind of discussion. Then the crying and mudslinging begin. In other words, a lack of communication will only lead to more infighting.

The way I see it is, if you don’t contribute to the topic by telling us what you believe, then you are wasting everybody’s time.
God’s Word should not be hidden in the darkness.
Perhaps the mystery of hiding one’s belief is because they cannot defend their belief with Scripture?
This is most likely the case. I don’t see Reformed Theology as a biblical concept.
I am happy to explain my beliefs on any topic in the Bible.
If I get something wrong, I am willing to be corrected.


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Cameron is not interested in you knowing exactly what he believes.
He is interested in testing and tearing down what you believe.

So far, that has been the case with my contact with him.

He wants to do all the offensive action.

If he told you what he believes?
Then he would have to concentrate on his own defense of his beliefs,
and lose the advantage of how he wants to arrange things with you.

He likes being the smiley faced "nice" ambusher.

IMHO
 
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it was you that said you was more Arminian than Calvinist m

I believe AI has got you in a place of you not knowing whether your coming or going,

Your expressing double mindedness m ,🤐

I have thought more about 1 Corinthians 3, and it is not as NightTwister states.
I am not a 100 percent Arminian loyalist or a follower of Jacob Arminius, just for saying I am more Arminian, or even if I were Arminian.
The same is true for anyone who calls themselves a Calvinist. Again, there are many who self-identify as Calvinists and do not hold to everything John Calvin said or did. They are also not claiming to be followers of John Calvin simply by saying they are Calvinists. Do a Google search sometime.

Do you also believe in a flat Earth?
Most likely, you do not, but I would not be surprised if you did by some odd chance, given the anti-knowledge rhetoric you have been pushing here. I say this not to wound you, dear sir, but I say this in love for you to do your own homework.



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Cameron is not interested in you knowing exactly what he believes.
He is interested in testing and tearing down what you believe.

So far, that has been the case with my contact with him.

He wants to do all the offensive action.

If he told you what he believes?
Then he would have to concentrate on his own defense of his beliefs,
and lose the advantage of how he wants to arrange things with you.

He likes being the smiley faced "nice" ambusher.

IMHO
I'm glad you labeled this your opinion and not discernment.
 
Cameron is not interested in you knowing exactly what he believes.
He is interested in testing and tearing down what you believe.

So far, that has been the case with my contact with him.

He wants to do all the offensive action.

If he told you what he believes?
Then he would have to concentrate on his own defense of his beliefs,
and lose the advantage of how he wants to arrange things with you.

He likes being the smiley faced "nice" ambusher.

IMHO
have you stopped being a believer again


It's looks like it not good enough you've condemned him to hell

You want to torture him in hell to 🤐
 
Cameron is not interested in you knowing exactly what he believes.
He is interested in testing and tearing down what you believe.

So far, that has been the case with my contact with him.

He wants to do all the offensive action.

If he told you what he believes?
Then he would have to concentrate on his own defense of his beliefs,
and lose the advantage of how he wants to arrange things with you.

He likes being the smiley faced "nice" ambusher.

IMHO

That's not honorable.



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I have thought more about 1 Corinthians 3, and it is not as NightTwister states.
I am not a 100 percent Arminian loyalist or a follower of Jacob Arminius, just for saying I am more Arminian, or even if I were Arminian.
The same is true for anyone who calls themselves a Calvinist. Again, there are many who self-identify as Calvinists and do not hold to everything John Calvin said or did. They are also not claiming to be followers of John Calvin simply by saying they are Calvinists. Do a Google search sometime.

Do you also believe in a flat Earth?
Most likely, you do not, but I would not be surprised if you did by some odd chance, given the anti-knowledge rhetoric you have been pushing here. I say this not to wound you, dear sir, but I say this in love for you to do your own homework.
lol one word

Idealism, I'm not really an Arminian but I will promote it none the less ok,

Carry on 😀
 
lol one word

Idealism, I'm not really an Arminian but I will promote it none the less ok,

Carry on 😀
He is a total hypocrite calling people Calvinists who do not base their beliefs on Calvin while insisting he not be called an Arminian.
 
lol one word

Idealism, I'm not really an Arminian but I will promote it none the less ok,

Carry on 😀

You completely missed the point I made.
I say this in love: I encourage you to improve your writing and reading skills in English.

May God bless you.
I am moving on from having any further direct conversation with you at this point in time.

May

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Calvinist is a label thrown around by those who do not like having the Bible truths they are
uncomfortable with presented to them, to smear those they disagree with, so they can pretend
we base our beliefs on some old dead guy and not the Bible, while they pat themselves on the
back for their beliefs, even though they contradict and deny what the Bible actually says, when
they are not busy rewriting it, sometimes even the very words of Jesus Christ Himself.

In the meantime?
TULIP makes God to be a monster.

And?
You are in the Adams Family.
You can see no wrong.

In Adam, all die.
There is a way that seems right to a man,
but its end is the way to death. Proverbs 14:12


And?
You and your agreeing friends are right?
In the death in the TULIP garden.

See?

It works both ways.
What you said does not prove who is right.

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