Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Cameron143 said:
Of course. They are hypocrites. They say they are here to correct error and promote truth, but you never
see them answer questions that would reveal truth or correct anything their buddies say in error.
Click to expand...
Well, yes, and they (certain free willers) blaspheme God and then turn around and tell us they are defending His character...

Which is why I say that they misrepresent themselves, along with misrepresenting Scripture, and misrepresenting others.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OLDBUTNEW
Cameron143 said:
Of course. They are hypocrites. They say they are here to correct error and promote truth, but you never see them answer questions that would reveal truth or correct anything their buddies say in error.
Click to expand...
you forgot Its because there under the covenant of the Jaw 😭
 
Bible_Highlighter said:
Well, King James did push out Puritans (Calvinists) out of England when they demanded to reform the Church of England (Anglicanism). Some Puritans wanted to reform the Church of England from within. Eventually, Calvinists fled the Netherlands, and America in the early 1600s. In the late 1600s is when there was some reform in religious freedom for Calvinists in England.

This is probably one of the key points out of several reasons why most of your Reformed churches in the UK do not self identify as Calvinist because of this history. Here in the United States, the Calvinists had more religious freedom to openly be Calvinists without any persecution from the Church of England. Hence, why a lot of Americans here do not have a problem in self identifying as Calvinist.

What is silly about your statements is that you ignore the reality of tons of churches and websites that do self identify as Calvinist. All it takes is to Google or search the internet using the keywords, “I am Calvinist” or “Why I believe in Calvinism” and you can spend hours of fun reading and educating yourself to your own anti-knowledge rhetoric.

As I have stated before, I have ran into Calvinists self identifying as Calvinists since 2010 on different Christian forums. So please stop the gaslighting as if England is the only nation on the planet when you look at a globe. If you don’t want to use Ai, that is fine. You can just do a general internet search. Have you ever done that before? So please stop being anti-knowledge when it comes to this topic. It just makes you look really bad even to other Calvinists in the rest of world who do self identify as Calvinists.

If your next reply is doubling down on your Flat Earth anti-knowledge approach, it is time for me to move on and just ignore your posts. I have very little patience for anti-knowledge rhetoric where people refuse to research the internet to confirm the truth of things after I have gave sources for them to check.
Click to expand...
I see that you are "wising up" to the various wet-blanket tactics, smokescreen psy-ops and intentional obfuscation going on around here sir. Yes, confronting it may be as repulsive as army latrine duty, but somebody has to do it.......:)
 
Jesus-Words-John6-65s.png

Jesus’ words in John 6 verse 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 verse 21 and 2 verse 13; Ephesians 2 verse 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 verse 6 and 2 verse 13
:)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cameron143
cv5 said:
I see that you are "wising up" to the various wet-blanket tactics, smokescreen psy-ops and intentional obfuscation going on around here sir. Yes, confronting it may be as repulsive as army latrine duty, but somebody has to do it.......:)
Click to expand...
Gee wizz you really put your Scrooge hat on today correctly m🤐
 
Magenta said:
Jesus-Words-John6-65s.png

Jesus’ words in John 6 verse 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 verse 21 and 2 verse 13; Ephesians 2 verse 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 verse 6 and 2 verse 13
:)
Click to expand...
See I told you I was a super duper naturalist m,
 
cv5 said:
But who is Biblically illiterate and who knows exactly what they are talking about?
Click to expand...
Errr people can read and and write.

But obviously they can do it incorrectly. But then you can correct them with your Scrooge hat on m 😭
 
NightTwister said:
You slander both Magenta and me (at least) by calling us "Calvanists."

"...or while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? 4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?" - 1 For 3:3-4 ESV

You have been told more than once that we follow no one but Jesus, yet you continue with the slander. You should remove that very large log in your eye before trying to remove the speck from someone else's.
Click to expand...

Stop playing the victim card. You have referred to us as Arminian here on the forums. In other words, it does not seem fair that you can call us Arminian, but you cry foul when we call you Calvinists. Again, like Jordan, you are promoting anti-knowledge rhetoric and gaslighting us into trying to believe that no other groups of believers out there exist who self-identify as Calvinists who hold to Calvinistic teachings. This does not mean they hold to everything John Calvin said or did just because they say they are Calvinists. This does not mean they are followers of John Calvin, as if they are 100% sold-out loyalists to John Calvin, as if they worshiped him. So the 1 Corinthians 3 argument is not an exact match or point here unless you can prove that most self-identifying Calvinists say they are followers of John Calvin and they believe everything he taught, said, and did. You believe in Calvinistic teachings, and yet you do not like the label. That's great, but that does not mean I have to adhere to your belief system or labels. Even many other Calvinists do not agree with you. In fact, would you rebuke self-identifying Calvinists for calling you a Calvinist if they are unaware of your distaste for the Calvinist label?



....
 
  • Like
Reactions: cv5
Bible_Highlighter said:
Stop playing the victim card. You have referred to us as Arminian here on the forums. In other words, it does not seem fair that you can call us Arminian, but you cry foul when we call you Calvinists. Again, like Jordan, you are promoting anti-knowledge rhetoric and gaslighting us into trying to believe that no other groups of believers out there exist who self-identify as Calvinists who hold to Calvinistic teachings. This does not mean they hold to everything John Calvin said or did just because they say they are Calvinists. This does not mean they are followers of John Calvin, as if they are 100% sold-out loyalists to John Calvin, as if they worshiped him. So the 1 Corinthians 3 argument is not an exact match or point here unless you can prove that most self-identifying Calvinists say they are followers of John Calvin and they believe everything he taught, said, and did. You believe in Calvinistic teachings, and yet you do not like the label. That's great, but that does not mean I have to adhere to your belief system or labels. Even many other Calvinists do not agree with you. In fact, would you rebuke self-identifying Calvinists for calling you a Calvinist if they are unaware of your distaste for the Calvinist label?



....
Click to expand...
it was you that said you was more Arminian than Calvinist m

I believe AI has got you in a place of you not knowing whether your coming or going,

Your expressing double mindedness m ,🤐
 
cv5 said:
I see that you are "wising up" to the various wet-blanket tactics, smokescreen psy-ops and intentional obfuscation going on around here sir. Yes, confronting it may be as repulsive as army latrine duty, but somebody has to do it.......:)
Click to expand...

I pray it is not intentional. I do hope and pray that they are not intentionally trying to be deceptive here.
But yes. We need to expose the anti-knowledge rhetoric going on here.
All they have to do is search the internet and learn about their own religion.
Even the Bible is tossed aside here.
I have tried several times to get folks to deal with all of the words in 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
There is no such thing as "might be saved" in Calvinism, and yet those words exist in 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
But I suppose ignorance is bliss.



….
 
  • Like
Reactions: cv5
Jordon said:
it was you that said you was more Arminian than Calvinist m

I believe AI has got you in a place of you not knowing whether your coming or going,

Your expressing double mindedness m ,🤐
Click to expand...
Calvinist is a label thrown around by those who do not like having the Bible truths they are
uncomfortable with presented to them, to smear those they disagree with, so they can pretend
we base our beliefs on some old dead guy and not the Bible, while they pat themselves on the
back for their beliefs, even though they contradict and deny what the Bible actually says, when
they are not busy rewriting it, sometimes even the very words of Jesus Christ Himself.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cameron143
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back