Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Rufus said:
Yeah...but FWers are uber-rich in their "freewill".
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That's only because they can't distinguish between freedom and thought and hope m

Hooefukly it will sink but they should spend at least an hour and day hoping inside there hearts.

There is an expression of the lords faith for the unsaved becoming saved, it's goes I must tie theses believes to my heart

That would have come from them being on the verge
 
Rufus said:
No danger of that happening. We know you are self-reliant, self-sustaining,
self-sufficient, self-absorbed and last, but certainly not least, self-loving!
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So odd how reliant on logical fallacies these FWers are. It really exposes the fact that they are not as
smart as they would like to believe they are, and nowhere near as smart as they want us to think they are.
Reliant on self types will not attain to life ever after, that's for sure. Thankfully I was rescued from the
dominion of darkness, and came to the end of self. Some people will understand what that means.
Those who exalt the self and promote freedom of the flesh to choose what Scripture says it cannot? No.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Yes there is truth to this.
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not living in hope makes atheist m Calvin life long work was all about caring for people m

And just so you know here it is so

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


Could you admit your saved in living hope and not choice m
 
Not gonna argue about this anymore. It can and often does become quite fruitless and unChristlike. Have a great day.
 
Believer08 said:
Not gonna argue about this anymore. It can and often does become quite fruitless and unChristlike. Have a great day.
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being fruitless is not talking about your inner fruits from God.

Or it's when you become a bitter old shriveled old prune.


But if you where to recognise Adam's seed dies completely when God removes it and gives you a new seed which bares much fruit m that would be fruitful 🤩
 
If there is a person who wishes to be accepted, but it is not the will of God, will he be accepted anyway?
If a person participates in an alter call and recites the sinners prayer, is that all that is required for salvation?
 
reneweddaybyday said:
yes, God does chasten us and as we heed His training we experience the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

In Hebrews 12:11 ...

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

The word "chastening" is translated from the Greek word paideía which means instruction that trains someone to reach full development (maturity) – HELPS word-studies.

So, our Heavenly Father chastens us ... He trains us in order that we may mature and reach full development. The other day, when we were discussing training vs controlling ... I prefer to use the word "training" because that is the word God uses as He works within the born again believer in bringing the believer to maturity in the Lord Jesus Christ.

And God does desire that we submit our whole hearts to Him ... not hold back anything from Him. We have a tendency to hold back from Him and when we do, God lovingly guides us and patiently waits for us to tire of withholding from Him. Then when we finally let go of that which hinders us from Him, we experience a closer relationship with Him.

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well that's nice I like being trained to

I also love this song about God m ♥️

 
NightTwister said:
You slander both Magenta and me (at least) by calling us "Calvanists."

"...or while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? 4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?" - 1 For 3:3-4 ESV

You have been told more than once that we follow no one but Jesus, yet you continue with the slander. You should remove that very large log in your eye before trying to remove the speck from someone else's.
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Defining your beliefs as Calvinist is "slander"? Hhhhmmmm.
OK how does "super-determinist" sound?
Better?
 
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Genez said:
Imagine if a Calvinist had been counted in with the number coming out of Egypt in the Exodus?

When God had Moses present the Ten Commandments to all?

The Calvinist would have freaked!

"How dare you! That would require free will to follow!" ​
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And, so on, and so forth.....
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No, they would have said we require your mighty resurrection power to follow. After all, Jousha did tell the Israelites that they would not be able to serve him! Ditto for Moses for that matter!
 
Magenta said:
So odd how reliant on logical fallacies these FWers are. It really exposes the fact that they are not as
smart as they would like to believe they are, and nowhere near as smart as they want us to think they are.
Reliant on self types will not attain to life ever after, that's for sure. Thankfully I was rescued from the
dominion of darkness, and came to the end of self. Some people will understand what that means.
Those who exalt the self and promote freedom of the flesh to choose what Scripture says it cannot? No.
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Well.....at least we know a little Sanskrit.
 
the_seeker said:
This is not a proof of "free will".
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Actually, it is because Adam was not encumbered with a sin nature by which to be enslaved. BUT....after he sinned -- after he died spiritually -- his will was no longer free FROM sin.
 
the_seeker said:
Well, the Bible says this and that, I do not believe in the Bible as a solution of all of our questions (do you? if so - why?)
Instead, I tend to search science for answers. And according to science, the question of "free will" is unanswered.
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So, the holy, infallible, inspired, authoritative Word of God is not really your ultimate authority for orthodoxy or orthopraxy?
 
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