God's View on Clumsiness?

[StanDupp]

why do so many Christians come down with things like Parkinson's?

They left the door open because they did not purpose in their heart, minds, and actions to cling to God's promises and to walk in His Wisdom.

Plus, most of these folks have been taught by false teachers that God puts disease on people some times to teach them a lesson and otherwise teach from the dark mind (understanding, viewpoint) of the devil that God no longer heals.

 

[Lynx]

Okay I finally found the popcorn. It was buried under a pile of snack cakes.

*Lynx settles in to watch the train wreck.

I don't even usually watch the BDF channel. Too brutal for me. But I have to see how this show ends.

So, Stan, you were saying something about how if somebody is sick it is his own fault? What an interesting thing to say...

 

[SilverBigBack]

I have decided to update the question and what I am seeking for an answer.

The question "What is God's view on Clumsiness" still stands.
I no longer welcome your straight opinion, like I did in the first post. Clearly no good has come of that. If you are going to answer, please reference relevant scriptures in some way.
I also want to develop the question by going deeper:

How should Christians respond to clumsiness in others and in themselves?

What is a godly response to mistakes? Honest mistakes, not sins. Both big and small.

(For fun) do you think Jesus ever had even a single moment where He did something "clumsy?" (for example tripping over a stone. I for one do not.)

I enjoy going deep on topics and if you think I'm going too deep or you want to somehow prove that you know everything, then make your own thread to do what you enjoy and please don't waste my time. Thank you all!

 

[Lynx]

I have decided to update the question and what I am seeking for an answer.

The question "What is God's view on Clumsiness" still stands.
I no longer welcome your straight opinion, like I did in the first post. Clearly no good has come of that. If you are going to answer, please reference relevant scriptures in some way.
I also want to develop the question by going deeper:

How should Christians respond to clumsiness in others and in themselves?

What is a godly response to mistakes? Honest mistakes, not sins. Both big and small.

(For fun) do you think Jesus ever had even a single moment where He did something "clumsy?" (for example tripping over a stone. I for one do not.)

I enjoy going deep on topics and if you think I'm going too deep or you want to somehow prove that you know everything, then make your own thread to do what you enjoy and please don't waste my time. Thank you all!

First, howdy and welcome to the forum.

Second, please be aware that this is not how forums work. You cannot legislate how people reply. If you try to, it will probably just make a lot more static.

I mean... You are free to do whatever you want, including what I just mentioned. But I guarantee that particular thing ain't gonna work.

Third, as to how we should handle other people being clumsy, I got enough of my own clumsiness to deal with. I don't have enough processing power to deal with other people's.

Fourth, a song reference.

I'm gonna get it right this time
I'll be strong and I'll make you proud
I prayed that prayer a thousand times
But the rooster crows and the tears roll down

 

[SilverBigBack]

First, howdy and welcome to the forum.

Second, please be aware that this is not how forums work. You cannot legislate how people reply. If you try to, it will probably just make a lot more static.

I mean... You are free to do whatever you want, including what I just mentioned. But I guarantee that particular thing ain't gonna work.

Third, as to how we should handle other people being clumsy, I got enough of my own clumsiness to deal with. I don't have enough processing power to deal with other people's.

Fourth, a song reference.

I'm gonna get it right this time
I'll be strong and I'll make you proud
I prayed that prayer a thousand times
But the rooster crows and the tears roll down

I did look back in regret at how I worded that. I was frustrated with a member of the platform and I acted too much out of emotion. My mistake; I should have known better. This is the internet, after all.
Thanks for the no-nonsense reply. I will give your song a listen.

 

[StanDupp]

Stan, you were saying something about how if somebody is sick it is his own fault?

Three choices with that... some claim it's God's fault that God made them sick to "teach them a lesson" which they believe because they be listening to the devil. (Not once did Jesus ever do this and He only did and said what He heard the Father do and say)

Others claim the devil did it and the devil is so powerful that not even God can do anything to stop it which they believe because they be listening to the devil.

But the Truth is that God promises in His Word in James 5:15 that the prayer of faith shall save the sick so the real problem is people choose to walk by sight and not by faith which is just the opposite of what God's Word tells us in 2 Corinthians 5:7 so because of their UNBELIEF (choosing to not believe what God says in His Word) that won't be getting healed by the Lord.

That leaves them to be experimented on by medical science which rarely brings healing to anybody and instead they'll blow all their money and only get worse.

The moral of the story is - be careful what you choose to believe!

 

[StanDupp]

How should Christians respond to clumsiness in others and in themselves?

They should quit being careless and start paying attention to what they are doing.

 

[Snackersmom]

I have decided to update the question and what I am seeking for an answer.

The question "What is God's view on Clumsiness" still stands.
I no longer welcome your straight opinion, like I did in the first post. Clearly no good has come of that. If you are going to answer, please reference relevant scriptures in some way.
I also want to develop the question by going deeper:

How should Christians respond to clumsiness in others and in themselves?

What is a godly response to mistakes? Honest mistakes, not sins. Both big and small.

(For fun) do you think Jesus ever had even a single moment where He did something "clumsy?" (for example tripping over a stone. I for one do not.)

I enjoy going deep on topics and if you think I'm going too deep or you want to somehow prove that you know everything, then make your own thread to do what you enjoy and please don't waste my time. Thank you all!

Hi Silver big back, welcome to the forum! Very interesting question, it really got me thinking!

I personally think there is a difference between clumsiness and negligence. I'd say that negligence is a sin and straight-up clumsiness isn't, though what we may perceive as clumsiness could be a result of negligence. Ezekiel 33: 6 comes to mind as a passage about negligence.

There's also the issue of incompetence; sometimes it is due to not trying hard enough (which I'd consider to be a sin; whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might as unto The Lord), but sometimes it is simply a matter of the job not lining up with that person's specific gifting. We are all different parts of the body, I am very "gifted" in some areas but put me in front of a computer with an error message and I'll be desperately begging for help!

Regarding clumsiness such as stubbing toes and tripping over things, I do not see that as sin so I don't see why Jesus wouldn't have experienced it. The Bible does say that He was tempted in the same ways that we are ( Hebrews 4: 14 ). So maybe that would include being tempted to swear after a toe stub, who knows? I seriously doubt that Jesus was an overall clumsy person though. But we do know that He got tired and had to withdraw from crowds and such.

Interesting premise, thanks for sharing!

 

[SilverBigBack]

Hi Silver big back, welcome to the forum! Very interesting question, it really got me thinking!

I personally think there is a difference between clumsiness and negligence, I'd say that negligence is a sin and straight-up clumsiness isn't, though what we may perceive as clumsiness could be a result of negligence. Ezekiel 33:6 comes to mind as a passage about negligence.

There's also the issue of incompetence; sometimes it is due to not trying hard enough (which I'd consider to be a sin; whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might as unto The Lord), but sometimes it is simply a matter of the job not lining up with that person's specific gifting. We are all different parts of the body, I am very "gifted" in some areas but put me in front of a computer with an error message and I'll be desperately begging for help!

Regarding clumsiness such as stubbing toes and tripping over things, I do not see that as sin so I don't see why Jesus wouldn't have experienced it. The Bible does say that He was tempted in the same ways that we are ( Hebrews 4:14 ). So maybe that would include being tempted to swear after a toe stub, who knows? I seriously doubt that Jesus was an overall clumsy person though. But we do know that He got tired and had to withdraw from crowds and such.

Interesting premise, thanks for sharing!

No, thank you! There is real wisdom in your words here, mostly because you reference God's I think your separation of effort, gifting, and negligence is extremely helpful and accurate to the Word.
In tune to what you said about gifting, I guess part of this whole question is stewardship; if you pursue something that lines up with your gifts, and work as unto the Lord, clumsiness is not likely to follow you.
Thanks again. Oh and by the way, with the Jesus question, do you think Adam and Eve stubbed their toes and tripped before the fall? Very trivial question, I know, but mildly entertaining to consider.

 

[Mem]

Thank you for your intelligent and genuine response!
I agree then that to be less clumsy, and therefore as you explained, more graceful is to be closer in the image of God. I love the diving in you did with scripture to come to your conclusions, and with comparing Moses as an example.
So how do you think we can cultivate gracefulness? How should we respond to others' clumsiness and our own?

@Caan brought up 2Tim 1:7 and, dabbling in etymology as a sort of hobby, one linguist reveals that the word sound's correlation to the word 'safe,' and this would be fitting to the discussion considering the initial comments about safety to oneself as much as to others of example in the workplace.

In regard to how God responded to Moses' hesitation to speak to his people because of a 'clumsy mouth,' God reassured Moses, if you don't mind my paraphrasing, "It'll be okay, I'll stabilize you, and I give you Aaron for added support..." and, in essence, God comforted Moses in assuring his safety and security. I think this is a key example in how we should follow in response to others' clumsiness and our own.

For example, should someone else do something clumsy, should we raise our voice in alarm saying, "Hey! Watch out! You could hurt yourself or somebody else!" Well, I would think that would be obvious, especially if the incident happens by accident (the person, whether you or another, would realize their error and be as horrified by it to begin with (as was Moses aware of his shortcoming), as opposed doing something purposefully without regard to anyone's care. Perhaps a better response might be, "Oh, dear! I'm glad you're okay That worked out better than it could have! Thank God, that you or anybody else was hurt!"

I think we assessed the situation according to the realization of safety indeed, more so than, as opposed to rather than, the potential of harm inflicted, we'd be more mindful of God's grace, we would realize the exorbitance of its abundance, and it would overflow as much in ourselves as well as toward others.

 

[StanDupp]

We should partake of His divine nature thru His promises in order to escape the corruption that is in the world through lust (carnal desires) - 2 Peter 1:4

That takes care of being careless and being clumsy

In other words, STOP believing you are clumsy and START believing and acting on God's promises!

 

[Mem]

I was editing my post and ran out of the window...

I was thinking in regard to providing the assurance of safety in using Moses' example, and I tried to insert the aside thought....

(there's an assurance of "I got you covered" in that "I'll make sure you don't fail" but there's also an assurance that, "Even if you fail, I've got you covered")

OH! and I meant to edit "wasn't hurt" instead of "was hurt."

 

[SilverBigBack]

@Caan brought up 2Tim 1:7 and, dabbling in etymology as a sort of hobby, one linguist reveals that the word sound's correlation to the word 'safe,' and this would be fitting to the discussion considering the initial comments about safety to oneself as much as to others of example in the workplace.

In regard to how God responded to Moses' hesitation to speak to his people because of a 'clumsy mouth,' God reassured Moses, if you don't mind my paraphrasing, "It'll be okay, I'll stabilize you, and I give you Aaron for added support..." and, in essence, God comforted Moses in assuring his safety and security. I think this is a key example in how we should follow in response to others' clumsiness and our own.

For example, should someone else do something clumsy, should we raise our voice in alarm saying, "Hey! Watch out! You could hurt yourself or somebody else!" Well, I would think that would be obvious, especially if the incident happens by accident (the person, whether you or another, would realize their error and be as horrified by it to begin with (as was Moses aware of his shortcoming), as opposed doing something purposefully without regard to anyone's care. Perhaps a better response might be, "Oh, dear! I'm glad you're okay That worked out better than it could have! Thank God, that you or anybody else was hurt!"

I think we assessed the situation according to the realization of safety indeed, more so than, as opposed to rather than, the potential of harm inflicted, we'd be more mindful of God's grace, we would realize the exorbitance of its abundance, and it would overflow as much in ourselves as well as toward others.

So then by God's grace we will be provided for in our clumsiness, and one way that is done is by those around us... and of course that would result in learning that would eventually make most mistakes one-time, or at least rare occurrences... which in due time would erase "clumsiness." It seems you have said that the true Christian will not remain clumsy and you have convinced me of the same. Praise be to God! And thank you for going a few steps deeper. I appreciate it.
Phillipians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me"

 

[Mem]

So then by God's grace we will be provided for in our clumsiness, and one way that is done is by those around us... and of course that would result in learning that would eventually make most mistakes one-time, or at least rare occurrences... which in due time would erase "clumsiness." It seems you have said that the true Christian will not remain clumsy and you have convinced me of the same. Praise be to God! And thank you for going a few steps deeper. I appreciate it.
Phillipians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me"

Mr Magoo was one of my favorite cartoons growing up.

 

[SilverBigBack]

Mr Magoo was one of my favorite cartoons growing up.

I can't believe I've never seen that before until now!
That's not clumsiness, that's talent

 

[Lynx]

I did look back in regret at how I worded that. I was frustrated with a member of the platform and I acted too much out of emotion. My mistake; I should have known better. This is the internet, after all.
Thanks for the no-nonsense reply. I will give your song a listen.

If you want to take a break, you can always come to the singles forum and hang out for a bit. It has evolved over the years into the default chill place for people, single and married, to hang out and chit chat.

The miscellaneous forum is usually light chit chat too, although currently there are a few heavy topics (and egos) there. Still on the whole a good place to hang out and chit chat.

Also seoulsearch has recently taken to posting her lighthearted threads in the family forum. Come on over and have a good argument about what the proper term for soda is. Pop, soda, something else?

 

[Jordon]

Have you tried paying attention to what you are doing and believing the Lord for His help so you aren't clumsy?

Clumsy people are going to cause someone to get killed and/or cause destruction of property.

do you employ people based on there religious views !

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Good day everyone.
This is the first of probably many questions I will post here on the CC.
Although your straight opinion is welcome, I encourage using scripture or at least para-phrasing it to support your view.

What is God's view on clumsiness?

I can elaborate- I don't mean a clumsy act here or there that can result from various temporary circumstantial factors. I mean repeated clumsiness; clumsy people. Or at least people who are reliably clumsy in certain applications, especially workplace.
Some examples:
1. A person with brain fog or a challenged memory is running calculations and forgets to add in a number to his/her sum, leading to an incorrect result (now apply this to accountants or something similar). This is one of the regular "gaffes" they experience.
2. A young carpenter is on the construction site. To our eyes it appears that he is not under the influence of any kind of mind-hampering substances, he gets enough sleep, and isn't frequently checking his smart-phone, but still he seems to have "tunnel-vision," trips over obstacles frequently, and gets dizzy easily.
3. The classical "clumsy guy" trope seen in stories- like the smurf named, literally, "Clumsy." There almost seems to be an inescapable curse on this individual of clumsiness.

What does the Bible have to say about all this?

A verse that come to my mind is I Cor. 1:27 "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong"
But, in the context of workplace clumsiness, does God not call us to excellence and good works? Do we not glorify him most when we do our job(s) well?

Is clumsiness a sin?
Certainly circumstantial clumsiness (like from drunkenness) can be, or at least the result of sin, but again, what about seemingly "inherent" clumsiness?
Is clumsiness a result of the fall? (I certainly think so)

What is God's view of clumsiness?

What are your thoughts? I am eager to hear them!

Hi there! I'm pretty clumsy too.

I think it's not sinful, but what it does is make the clumsy Christian draw closer to the Lord. I think God let's it happen to certain people like me who needs to trust and lean on God more.

So I pray everyday that God helps me to be careful throughout the day and not do anything clumsy that could mess things up!

Also, God had this written in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 12:9
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Psalm 34:17-20
17 The righteous cry out, and the Lord hears them;
he delivers them from all their troubles.
18 The Lord is close to the brokenhearted
and saves those who are crushed in spirit.

19 The righteous person may have many troubles,
but the Lord delivers him from them all;
20 he protects all his bones,
not one of them will be broken.

Being clumsy can be disheartening, so as I said before, I think God allows for it and uses it as occasion for us to draw near to Him.

 

[SilverBigBack]

Hi there! I'm pretty clumsy too.

I think it's not sinful, but what it does is make the clumsy Christian draw closer to the Lord. I think God let's it happen to certain people like me who needs to trust and lean on God more.

So I pray everyday that God helps me to be careful throughout the day and not do anything clumsy that could mess things up!

Also, God had this written in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 12:9
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Psalm 34:17-20
17 The righteous cry out, and the Lord hears them;
he delivers them from all their troubles.
18 The Lord is close to the brokenhearted
and saves those who are crushed in spirit.

19 The righteous person may have many troubles,
but the Lord delivers him from them all;
20 he protects all his bones,
not one of them will be broken.

Being clumsy can be disheartening, so as I said before, I think God allows for it and uses it as occasion for us to draw near to Him.

I love that take on it! It affirms with God working all things for the good of those who love Him. Thanks for your response, and keep doing the good thing of relying on him in your weakness. That can be a challenge!

 

[StanDupp]

I think it's not sinful, but what it does is make the clumsy Christian draw closer to the Lord.

As they cause all kinds of un-necessary problems for themselves and others due to their inability to choose to pay attention

Lots of people die early and cause others to die because they aren't paying attention.

Not to mention there is no evidence in scripture about being slothful draws people closer to the Lord.