Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

[TruthDefender]

-You will be saved, IF you believe and are baptized:

"And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Mark 16:15-16 NKJV

-Repent, and be baptized for the remission of sins:

"Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.""
Acts 2:38-39 NKJV

-He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire:

"John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."
Luke 3:16 NKJV

-Unless you’re born of water and the Spirit, you can’t enter the kingdom of God:

"Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
John 3:3, 5 NKJV

-Repent, be baptized for the remission of sins:

"Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."" Acts 2:38-39 NKJV

-Believe and be baptized:

"But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done." Acts 8:12-13 NKJV

-The Holy Spirit fell on ALL who heard the word, and then they were baptized:

"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?" And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days."
Acts 10:44-45, 47-48 NKJV

-Baptized with the Holy Spirit:

"Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’"
Acts 11:16 NKJV

-Be Baptized and wash away your sins:

"And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’"
Acts 22:16 NKJV

-You’re Baptized into Jesus and into His death, and like Jesus will be raised up:

"Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,"
Romans 6:3-5 NKJV

-We were Baptized into Christ and put on Christ; we are heirs according to the promise, Abraham’s seed:

"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:27-29 NKJV

-We were buried with Him in Baptism and were raised with Him in faith; He circumcised us by the remission of sins:

"In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead."
Colossians 2:11-12 NKJV

-An antitype now SAVES us—- Baptism:

"There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him."
I Peter 3:21-22 NKJV

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Do you realize that you’re using profanity?

BS isn't profanity except maybe to prudes looking to be offended.

 

[LightBearer316]

"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. " Acts 10:43

You just quoted the same verse that confirms exactly what I said.
Notice the structure:

“Through His name” — that’s the basis of salvation (Christ’s finished work).
“Whosoever believeth in Him” — that’s the condition for receiving remission.​

Nothing in that verse adds water, ritual, or human merit — only faith in His name.
And the next line proves it: “While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.” (Acts 10:44 KJV)

They received the Spirit before baptism — undeniable evidence that forgiveness came through believing in Christ, not through the act of baptism.

Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[LightBearer316]

I'll make it easier for you to understand.

Water baptism in and of itself does not save. However, water baptism is an essential element of salvation.

That’s the same contradiction restated with softer words.
If baptism is “an essential element of salvation,” then salvation depends on a human act — and that makes grace no longer grace (Romans 11:6 KJV).

Scripture never divides grace into “essential elements.” It presents salvation as a finished gift:

“For by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works, lest any man should boast.” — Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV​

Water baptism is a command of obedience after belief, not a co-condition of redemption.
When the Gentiles in Acts 10 believed, the Holy Ghost fell on them before they touched water (Acts 10:44-47 KJV).
That’s God’s own confirmation that faith in Christ alone is the channel of saving grace.

Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So, by submitting to being water baptized, no work at all has been accomplished? Is that what you're saying? If baptism is not a work, then I guess it's just a nothing? If water baptism stood between Jesus Christ fulfilling all righteousness and not fulfilling all righteousness, (Matthew 3:13-15) then baptism is a work of righteousness.

The work of God gets accomplished. The believer does no work whatsoever. If God mandated it, how can you call it nothing. It's God's work of righteousness, not man's.

 

[TruthDefender]

BS isn't profanity except maybe to prudes looking to be offended.

So you’re willfully using profanity, and calling people names. Wow, very Christian like!!

 

[LightBearer316]

@Wansvic — until you lay aside the Oneness / Pentecostal framework, you’ll keep forcing Scripture to say what it never says.
That system blends grace with ritual and turns obedience into a requirement for redemption — which only leads to confusion.

The Word of God is clear: salvation is by grace through faith alone, and baptism follows as the testimony of that faith — not as the condition for it.

Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[LightBearer316]

BS isn't profanity except maybe to prudes looking to be offended.

So you’re willfully using profanity, and then mocking those who object to it — that speaks for itself.
Scripture says, “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying.” (Ephesians 4:29 KJV)

If the truth offends, that’s one thing — but profanity and ridicule have no place in a discussion meant to honor God’s Word.

Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[LightBearer316]

The work of God gets accomplished. The believer does no work whatsoever. If God mandated it, how can you call it nothing. It's God's work of righteousness, not man's.

If baptism were God’s work of righteousness for salvation, then the apostles would have preached baptism as the saving act itself — yet they didn’t.

They consistently preached faith in Christ’s finished work as the sole means of justification (Romans 3:28; Ephesians 2:8-9).

When Jesus was baptized, He had no sin to remit — it wasn’t for salvation, but to “fulfil all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15 KJV), identifying Himself publicly with the mission the Father had already ordained. That act pointed forward to the cross, not to a ritual that saves.

If salvation depends on an outward ceremony, then grace is no longer grace (Romans 11:6 KJV).
The only “work of God” that saves is the one Jesus Himself defined:

“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” — John 6:29 KJV​

Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[LightBearer316]

@ChristRoseFromTheDead — brother, you also need to let go of the Oneness / Pentecostal lens that keeps twisting clear Scripture.
As long as that framework defines your view, grace will always get tangled with ritual, and faith will never stand alone as God intended.


Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[LightBearer316]

The work of God gets accomplished. The believer does no work whatsoever. If God mandated it, how can you call it nothing. It's God's work of righteousness, not man's.

The “work of righteousness” in Christ’s baptism was His obedience to the Father’s mission — not a ritual that confers righteousness on us. When Jesus was baptized, He had no sin to wash away; His act identified Him with sinners and foreshadowed the cross where true righteousness would be fulfilled (2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV).

Baptism is not nothing — it’s a command of obedience and testimony.
But it’s also not the work that saves.
The only saving work is the one Jesus finished:

“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” — John 6:29 KJV

To call baptism an “essential element” of salvation makes it man-dependent — and Scripture is clear:

“If by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.” — Romans 11:6 KJV

Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[LightBearer316]

@Wansvic and @ChristRoseFromTheDead — brothers, it’s time to let go of that unsound theology that keeps mixing grace with ritual.
The gospel isn’t confusing: salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone, not by any ceremony done in water.
Anything added to grace cancels grace — and that’s not the gospel Paul preached (Romans 11:6 KJV).


Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So you’re willfully using profanity, and calling people names. Wow, very Christian like!!

So you’re willfully using profanity, and then mocking those who object to it — that speaks for itself.
Scripture says, “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying.” (Ephesians 4:29 KJV)

If the truth offends, that’s one thing — but profanity and ridicule have no place in a discussion meant to honor God’s Word.

Grace and peace — always in His Word.

Let me be very clear about something. You guys are an offense to God with your nitpicking fault-finding attitude over an expression that is common in culture without any profane tone to it. Don't confuse bluntness with profanity; there is absolutely nothing profane about it. And don't try to conform me to your prudishness

For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought. Isaiah 29:20-21​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

@Wansvic and @ChristRoseFromTheDead — brothers, it’s time to let go of that unsound theology that keeps mixing grace with ritual.

Time for you to let go of your Calvignosticism

 

[LightBearer316]

Time for you to let go of your Calvignosticism

I’m not preaching Calvinism or “Calvignosticism” — I’m preaching what the Word says:

“For by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works, lest any man should boast.” — Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV

If defending grace alone makes me “Calvignostic,” then Paul himself would share the title (Romans 4:4-5).
The issue isn’t labels — it’s whether salvation rests on Christ’s finished work or on human ritual.
Only one of those is the gospel.

What @Wansvic and @ChristRoseFromTheDead are doing is spreading unsound theology.
You’ve twisted the Scriptures to such an extent that you can no longer discern what is right.
God’s Word interprets itself — it doesn’t need to be forced through man-made systems that mix grace with works.


“Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” — Matthew 22:29 (KJV)


Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[TruthDefender]

Wow, I guess christianchat condones common profanity and calling people names. Amazing!!! (?) Disgusting!!
Christians are supposed to be in the world but not a part of the world!

Yet I’m the one who is at fault here!!???

“Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[TruthDefender]

Let me be very clear about something. You guys are an offense to God with your nitpicking fault-finding attitude over an expression that is common in culture without any profane tone to it. Don't confuse bluntness with profanity; there is absolutely nothing profane about it. And don't try to conform me to your prudishness

For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought. Isaiah 29:20-21​

I’m pretty sure the offense is on you! What you said is definitely profanity and offensive to God.

“Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I’m pretty sure the offense is on you! What you said is definitely profanity and offensive to God.

“Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Totally relative. Not corrupt at all. I reject your claim that it is offensive to God

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Wow, I guess christianchat condones common profanity and calling people names. Amazing!!! (?) Disgusting!!
Christians are supposed to be in the world but not a part of the world!

Yet I’m the one who is at fault here!!???

“Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Prude

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I’m not preaching Calvinism or “Calvignosticism” — I’m preaching what the Word says:

The word teaches "Obey my voice". Calvingnostics teach that anything a believer does in obedience to God's voice is a work attempting to earn salvation, which is just utter nonsense.

It derives from the gnostic beliefs that 1) there was nothing a Christian could do to endanger their salvation; in other words their behavior didn't matter, and 2) Christians are totally unable to do anything good in regards to salvation, so any work they do is a work of the flesh and contrary to grace. Totally demonic ideas. That is why such an effort is made to divorce work from faith and make them appear separate and contrary to one another.