Can we experience curses today?

[Roughsoul1991]

Can we experience curses today?

If we can experience blessings are we equally open to curses as well?

What is a curse?

Curses- consequences for disobedience to God’s commands or for sinning against Him.

There are no other curses that hold any power. Witches, demons, wishes, or objects do not have the power to enact a curse. Only God.

Numbers 22:16-18 English Standard Version

16 And they came to Balaam and said to him, “Thus says Balak the son of Zippor: ‘Let nothing hinder you from coming to me, for I will surely do you great honor, and whatever you say to me I will do. Come, curse this people for me.’” But Balaam answered and said to the servants of Balak, “Though Balak were to give me his house full of silver and gold, I could not go beyond the command of the Lord my God to do less or more.

Balak thought he could gain a supernatural advantage so he went to a non-Israelite prophet named Balaam.

God told Balaam the non-Israelite prophet that only God Himself had the power to call forth curses. Balaam could do no less or more.

Galatians 3:10 English Standard Version
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does
not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."

If you rely on the law, you are cursed. Not because the law is evil but the contrary, the law is holy. To be free of sin is to abide in the law 100%. It is impossible for us in the current state. So God had a response to the curse.

Galatians 3:13 English Standard Version
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is
everyone who is hanged on a tree"—

Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law, the curse of sin, by becoming a curse for us. By the sacrifice of Christ the anointed one, we are redeemed from the curse and judgment we deserve.

Out of context curse for example:

Malachi 3:9-10
New International Version

9 You are under a curse—your whole nation—because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.

This curse was directed at Israel. The storehouse was in the temple. The food was for the Levites and priests. This is a verse about tithing but not applicable to the Church. The Church is not under the same laws and covenant. We are commanded to be cheerful givers (offerings not a tithe). Givers of finances, time, skills, and resources. The early church voluntarily gave what was needed and the only time the Holy Spirit got angry was when a couple lied, falsely gave, but kept some of the money.

You are not under a curse if you fail to give the 10%, 15%, or 20%.

You are not under a curse just because some pagan devil worshipper chants it.

You are not under a curse for anything except not having Christ as your Lord and Savior.

Can we experience curses today?

Yes, if not under the redeeming power of Christ.

No, for all who abide in Christ.

 

[Dino246]

To the title question, yes. Can we deal with them because of Jesus, also yes.

We are not automatically protected from curses just because we are Christians. For example, the curse on the ground from Genesis 3 affects us today.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"Like a sparrow in its flitting, like a swallow in its flying, a curse that is causeless does not alight." Proverbs 26:2

 

[Lafftur]

Interesting topic… has caused me to ponder much….

I think obedience has a lot to do with blessings and curses for the Christian as far as how they apply to sowing and reaping..

God’s blessings and curses are His response to our behavior.

We’re no longer under the Law for salvation but we do reap what we sow now on the Earth and in the Kingdom of God that is coming.

If we have sown good seed - thoughts, words and deeds that are pleasing to God, we will reap what we have sown and a blessing from the Lord.

If we have sown bad seed - thoughts, words and deeds of disobedience to God’s Word/Will, we will reap what we have sown and not receive a blessing… a curse is death, bad seeds produce death.

I’m still pondering this… I have a lot to learn!

 

[Roughsoul1991]

To the title question, yes. Can we deal with them because of Jesus, also yes.

We are not automatically protected from curses just because we are Christians. For example, the curse on the ground from Genesis 3 affects us today.

Genesis 8:21
English Standard Version
21 And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Interesting topic… has caused me to ponder much….

I think obedience has a lot to do with blessings and curses for the Christian as far as how they apply to sowing and reaping..

God’s blessings and curses are His response to our behavior.

We’re no longer under the Law for salvation but we do reap what we sow now on the Earth and in the Kingdom of God that is coming.

If we have sown good seed - thoughts, words and deeds that are pleasing to God, we will reap what we have sown and a blessing from the Lord.

If we have sown bad seed - thoughts, words and deeds of disobedience to God’s Word/Will, we will reap what we have sown and not receive a blessing… a curse is death, bad seeds produce death.

I’m still pondering this… I have a lot to learn!

I have heard it put this way of sowing and reaping but I don't see necessarily that as a curse. I see that more as natural order. If you live by the sword, you will often die by the sword. Proverbs 10:12 "Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs."

Condemnation and judgment is viewed differently once a person accepts Christ's atonement, redemption, grace, and mediation on our behalf.

Everyone still battles sin. If we was still under the curse we would constantly need to atone and be redeemed again. Initial repentance or salvational repentance isn't the same as continued repentance.

Salvational is to be redeemed by Christ from the condemnation of the curse.

Continued is to be redeemed by Christ relationally.

Obviously we are not talking about hyper grace either. God knows a true relationship versus those who are abusing God's grace.

Being covered by the blood, the Lamb of God, judgment passes over. Not for a free licence to sin, but with the power to overcome sin in a state of zero condemnation.

 

[enril]

in africa a witch doctor has enough power that if they tell a man he is going to die he will lay down in his house and die.
it's not real power, just extreme devotion and fear.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

in africa a witch doctor has enough power that if they tell a man he is going to die he will lay down in his house and die.
it's not real power, just extreme devotion and fear.

Very sad the reality of how evil tries to mimic God.

 

[pinebeach]

It seems you are actually just telling us all that you do not believe Christians can suffer curses. That's fine, but why ask a question about it then? You appear to have a comeback answer to everything anyone posts. Sounds like you are trying to 'teach' rather than discuss.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

It seems you are actually just telling us all that you do not believe Christians can suffer curses. That's fine, but why ask a question about it then? You appear to have a comeback answer to everything anyone posts. Sounds like you are trying to 'teach' rather than discuss.

Have you ever read a book or article with a question as the title? It grabs the attention of those who want answers to that question. As in your case, it worked regardless even if it wasn't what you expected .

Comeback answers to others posts is a discussion. Dialogue is discussion.

 

[SomeDisciple]

God told Balaam the non-Israelite prophet that only God Himself had the power to call forth curses. Balaam could do no less or more.

I think that pretty much sums it up. In terms of curses and blessings, it doesn't mean much unless it's backed by God himself.

 

[pinebeach]

Have you ever read a book or article with a question as the title? It grabs the attention of those who want answers to that question. As in your case, it worked regardless even if it wasn't what you expected .

Comeback answers to others posts is a discussion. Dialogue is discussion.

I'm not 21. Try again.

 

[pinebeach]

Genesis 8:21
English Standard Version
21 And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done.

Well, farmers still struggle with the ground. I pulled up all kinds of weeds just today in my gardens. God cursed the ground in Genesis and how has that changed? Sweat of the brow still applies. Women still have plenty of pain in childbirth. You cannot come to conclusions that support what it seems you believe at the expense of passing over scripture that does not agree with the verse you quoted above.

God told Balaam the non-Israelite prophet that only God Himself had the power to call forth curses. Balaam could do no less or more.

I might have missed it, but my Bible version reads like this: Balaam replied. “But I can’t say whatever I please. I must speak only what God puts in my mouth.” Does not equate to only God can curse.

He does also say 'How can I curse those whom God has not cursed? ' referring to Israel.

Curses come about through disobedience and continued sinning. Christian or not, we can open the door to curses in our lives. In the same instance, we understand that if God has blessed, the devil cannot curse.

According to Scripture, Balaam was a diviner who operated with powers of divination ( Numbers 22:7; 23:23). Other names for those who operated under power that is/was not from God include foretellers, seers, soothsayers, consulters of familiar spirits, enchanters, necromancers, wizards, witches, voices through which the spirit realm speaks, mediums, and clairvoyants.

Balaam was not a non-Israelite prophet as you say; he was a diviner (as per scripture) or someone who operated under ungodly power, just like the slave girl that Paul dealt with when he cast out a demon from her. He did seem to recognize the God of Israel though OR the angel that appeared may have convinced him that there was a power far greater than what he operated with.

I am not trying to point out mistakes in your post; rather, I do not believe it is beneficial for Christians to believe that they can only be blessed because of their faith anymore than it is beneficial for Christians to believe that demonic powers cannot attack or operate in their lives even if they are not living in sin. Take Paul for example. He was not living in sin but he was continually harrassed by dark powers that operated through people.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I'm not 21. Try again.

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Well, farmers still struggle with the ground. I pulled up all kinds of weeds just today in my gardens. God cursed the ground in Genesis and how has that changed? Sweat of the brow still applies. Women still have plenty of pain in childbirth. You cannot come to conclusions that support what it seems you believe at the expense of passing over scripture that does not agree with the verse you quoted above.



I might have missed it, but my Bible version reads like this: Balaam replied. “But I can’t say whatever I please. I must speak only what God puts in my mouth.” Does not equate to only God can curse.

He does also say 'How can I curse those whom God has not cursed? ' referring to Israel.

Curses come about through disobedience and continued sinning. Christian or not, we can open the door to curses in our lives. In the same instance, we understand that if God has blessed, the devil cannot curse.

According to Scripture, Balaam was a diviner who operated with powers of divination ( Numbers 22:7; 23:23). Other names for those who operated under power that is/was not from God include foretellers, seers, soothsayers, consulters of familiar spirits, enchanters, necromancers, wizards, witches, voices through which the spirit realm speaks, mediums, and clairvoyants.

Balaam was not a non-Israelite prophet as you say; he was a diviner (as per scripture) or someone who operated under ungodly power, just like the slave girl that Paul dealt with when he cast out a demon from her. He did seem to recognize the God of Israel though OR the angel that appeared may have convinced him that there was a power far greater than what he operated with.

I am not trying to point out mistakes in your post; rather, I do not believe it is beneficial for Christians to believe that they can only be blessed because of their faith anymore than it is beneficial for Christians to believe that demonic powers cannot attack or operate in their lives even if they are not living in sin. Take Paul for example. He was not living in sin but he was continually harrassed by dark powers that operated through people.

Well, farmers still struggle with the ground. I pulled up all kinds of weeds just today in my gardens. God cursed the ground in Genesis and how has that changed? Sweat of the brow still applies. Women still have plenty of pain in childbirth. You cannot come to conclusions that support what it seems you believe at the expense of passing over scripture that does not agree with the verse you quoted above.

Genesis 8:21 end's the cursed land of Genesis 3. The world was in a much horrible state before the flood. In fact, God had held off the rain. Nothing compared to what we deal with. So God only speaks two curses one that the serpent and the other of the ground. The Hebrew verb, אָרַר ('arar) is the common verb for cursing.

God told man and woman the negative repercussions that follow a departure from divine order, rather than an arbitrary punishment.

I might have missed it, but my Bible version reads like this: Balaam replied. “But I can’t say whatever I please. I must speak only what God puts in my mouth.” Does not equate to only God can curse.

1st. You have only two examples of curses. Those of God and those of men that try to provoke God. You never have any curse of power except those of God.
2nd. Balaam a non-Jewish prophet admits that he cannot curse beyond what the Lord allowed.

He does also say 'How can I curse those whom God has not cursed? ' referring to Israel.

Agree. God does the cursing.

Curses come about through disobedience and continued sinning.

True.

Christian or not, we can open the door to curses in our lives. In the same instance, we understand that if God has blessed, the devil cannot curse.

Open what door? Are you redeemed or not? Has Jesus became the curse on your behalf or not?

According to Scripture, Balaam was a diviner who operated with powers of divination ( Numbers 22:7; 23:23). Other names for those who operated under power that is/was not from God include foretellers, seers, soothsayers, consulters of familiar spirits, enchanters, necromancers, wizards, witches, voices through which the spirit realm speaks, mediums, and clairvoyants.

Balaam was not a non-Israelite prophet as you say; he was a diviner (as per scripture) or someone who operated under ungodly power, just like the slave girl that Paul dealt with when he cast out a demon from her. He did seem to recognize the God of Israel though OR the angel that appeared may have convinced him that there was a power far greater than what he operated with.

It appears that Balaam was a foreigner.
2. Balaam
A non-Israelite prophet or diviner known for his ability to bless or curse. He resides in Pethor, near the Euphrates River. https://biblehub.com/numbers/22-5.htm#commentary

I am not trying to point out mistakes in your post; rather, I do not believe it is beneficial for Christians to believe that they can only be blessed because of their faith anymore than it is beneficial for Christians to believe that demonic powers cannot attack or operate in their lives even if they are not living in sin. Take Paul for example. He was not living in sin but he was continually harrassed byharasseders that operated through people.

Paul said he was the chief of sinners. Being harassed or attacked by the demonic is not the same as being cursed by God.

 

[pinebeach]

Genesis 8:21 end's the cursed land of Genesis 3. The world was in a much horrible state before the flood. In fact, God had held off the rain. Nothing compared to what we deal with. So God only speaks two curses one that the serpent and the other of the ground. The Hebrew verb, אָרַר ('arar) is the common verb for cursing.

God told man and woman the negative repercussions that follow a departure from divine order, rather than an arbitrary punishment.

You are conflating different scriptures and as a result, you have determined things that are not found in scripture. Nothing compared to what we deal with? Do you not understand what scripture states about the future we are going into? The land still produces weeds and poisonous plants and women still suffer and sometimes die in childbirth. I don't know where you get your teaching from, but it does not hold up to what scripture actually states. This is a fallen world and you seem to have the idea it's all good from the post flood world. I dare you to go to a third world country and tell that to believers there.

1st. You have only two examples of curses. Those of God and those of men that try to provoke God. You never have any curse of power except those of God.
2nd. Balaam a non-Jewish prophet admits that he cannot curse beyond what the Lord allowed.

Yes. AFTER his donkey spoke up and an angel appeared to him. I guarantee that anyone met with that kind of interaction would review his/her thoughts on the matter. Don't leave out the pertinent details and try to round up everything to your understanding. You do not have the understanding scripture gives here. What do you think Balaam was on his way to do if only God can curse? Further, according to you, God is not doing that any longer. Baalam was not a non-Jewish prophet. I provided scripture to illustrate that for you and you ignore it. If you consider yourself to be any sort of teacher, you need to reframe your thinking on this matter. Scripture plainly states he was not a prophet. Did you bother to look up the references I Posted? or are you one of those people who cannot bear to have their worldview expanded?

7 And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak. Num. 22:7


23 For there is no enchantment against Jacob,

no divination against Israel;

now it shall be said of Jacob and Israel,

‘What has God wrought!’ Num. 23:23

So we see here that divination and enchantment are descriptive of what Balaam was HIRED to do.

Balak had sent emissaries nearly 400 miles to hire Balaam. He had already met defeat at the hands of Israel. The strange thing is that Balaam did seem to acknowledge God but nonetheless was prepare to curse for money. Balaam was revered as someone who could curse or bless. We know this because Balak told him For I know that he whom you bless is blessed, and he whom you curse is cursed.” Balak was certain that Balaam would be able to curse Israel. So Balak, in his fear, wanted to hire 'the best'. Nim. 22: 6

You might note that any actual prophet of the Lord, ALWAYS tried to get Israel to turn back to God. Repentance. And they never cursed anyone. God's heart to Israel is revealed in all the prophets HE sent. And we know the consequences when they did not listen.

Paul said he was the chief of sinners. Being harassed or attacked by the demonic is not the same as being cursed by God.

Are you one of those people who actually think Paul was the worst sinner on planet earth at that time? YOU are the one who thinks demons cannot bother believers. I don't know from whence you come to these unbiblical conclusions, but you are not doing anyone a favor by 'teaching' such things.

We are told that the devil walks around like a roaring lion seeking someone to 'devour'/destroy. That was not written to unbelievers. And how about that armor?

So I understand you don't want to go behind the curtain; alot of people don't. Alot of people also need counselling and the truth because they cannot understand why their lives don't line up with all the sunshine and lollipops they are told they should experience as believers.

I really do not think any further exchange with you is beneficial (unless you post something that really shrieks please correct me)

I don't know who you are, where you go to church or what books you read. I have no prejudice against you at all, but what you present is not biblical.

18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. Romans 8

 

[pinebeach]

Seriously, everyone is free to do their own study of scripture, hopefully following reputable teachers and scholars, and I would hope that people do that. Not to be rude, but there is really no point in a back and forth when scripture states something different than the premise presented in this op.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You are conflating different scriptures and as a result, you have determined things that are not found in scripture. Nothing compared to what we deal with? Do you not understand what scripture states about the future we are going into? The land still produces weeds and poisonous plants and women still suffer and sometimes die in childbirth. I don't know where you get your teaching from, but it does not hold up to what scripture actually states. This is a fallen world and you seem to have the idea it's all good from the post flood world. I dare you to go to a third world country and tell that to believers there.
what he sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. Romans 8

You are conflating different scriptures and as a result, you have determined things that are not found in scripture.

According to you.

Nothing compared to what we deal with? Do you not understand what scripture states about the future we are going into? The land still produces weeds and poisonous plants and women still suffer and sometimes die in childbirth. I don't know where you get your teaching from, but it does not hold up to what scripture actually states. This is a fallen world and you seem to have the idea it's all good from the post flood world. I dare you to go to a third world country and tell that to believers there.

You seem to be stuck in a bias of sorts. Did you miss the fact that I spoke of only 2 curses in Genesis 3? Child labor wasn't one of them. That was a natural result of the fallen. Again you failed to explain what curse was lifted in Genesis 8 on the land.

Yes. AFTER his donkey spoke up and an angel appeared to him. I guarantee that anyone met with that kind of interaction would review his/her thoughts on the matter. Don't leave out the pertinent details and try to round up everything to your understanding. You do not have the understanding scripture gives here. What do you think Balaam was on his way to do if only God can curse? Further, according to you, God is not doing that any longer.

I only go as far as the text goes. Your guarantee doesn't prove anything.

Baalam was not a non-Jewish prophet. I provided scripture to illustrate that for you and you ignore it.

I provided a source from scholar commentary. Your scripture didn't prove anything other than giving other words like divination. If that is your hill to die on, then okay Balaam was know to practice divination.

If you consider yourself to be any sort of teacher, you need to reframe your thinking on this matter. Scripture plainly states he was not a prophet. Did you bother to look up the references I Posted? or are you one of those people who cannot bear to have their worldview expanded?

Yes. Your references was lacking the info required to make such assumptions. In fact, Balaam would eventually even after meeting the angel, backstab Israel.

Balaam was revered as someone who could curse or bless. We know this because Balak told him For I know that he whom you bless is blessed, and he whom you curse is cursed.” Balak was certain that Balaam would be able to curse Israel. So Balak, in his fear, wanted to hire 'the best'. Nim. 22: 6

But yet the so called best turned out to be useless to Balak.

Are you one of those people who actually think Paul was the worst sinner on planet earth at that time?

Nope. Not what I said. I simply quoted scripture.

YOU are the one who thinks demons cannot bother believers.

Never said that either.

I don't know from whence you come to these unbiblical conclusions, but you are not doing anyone a favor by 'teaching' such things.

I just read the Bible in it's totality. But that's okay I'm content with planting seeds.

We are told that the devil walks around like a roaring lion seeking someone to 'devour'/destroy. That was not written to unbelievers. And how about that armor?

Again, I'm still not understanding where you think I disagreed on these truths.

So I understand you don't want to go behind the curtain; alot of people don't.

Okay...

Alot of people also need counselling and the truth because they cannot understand why their lives don't line up with all the sunshine and lollipops they are told they should experience as believers.

Agree.

I really do not think any further exchange with you is beneficial (unless you post something that really shrieks please correct me)

I will quote you from post 9,

Sounds like you are trying to 'teach' rather than discuss.

I don't know who you are, where you go to church or what books you read. I have no prejudice against you at all, but what you present is not biblical.

Thank you for your opinion.

 

[pinebeach]

I don't know who you are, where you go to church or what books you read. I have no prejudice against you at all, but what you present is not biblical. I understand you prefer to stay in what you perceive is a safe place for you. I did not offer an opinion; I posted sound biblical references which you choose to ignore. That, is on you.

I just read the Bible in it's totality. But that's okay I'm content with planting seeds.

And? People have spent years and years and years studying what you brush off. But oh boy! YOU just read the Bible. All of it. Do you know how silly that sounds? BTW, most of us here have most likely done so and more than once. And studied too! You are not in a class by yourself

The rest of your post consists of one liners of denial. That, is also on you. Obviously, no one is allowed to correct or discuss with you. As I said in my first post, you are here to teach rather than discuss. It seems you have also overlooked what Paul said in Romans 8.

THE ENTIRE WORLD WAITS FOR REDEMPTION...IT GROANS IN FACT. Yet, you think we are not living under any curses. As Christians we are freed from the curse of the law. But sorry, the preceedings in the garden set things in motion which will not stop until Jesus comes back.

I do not thank you for your opinion. It sets a dangerous path for those who need help but do not get it because some people teach we are just fine thank you very much.

I would direct you or anyone else, to your thread, here. It might be a bit of a read, but it explains your opinions quite well. For the record, I do not believe in 'deliverance ministries'. I don't see that in scripture. But I do see Paul writing to believers that they are not ignorant of the devils wiles, UNLIKE so many believers today who profess knowledge more than the average Joe but trespass into dangerous places by ignorance; both willful and real. ALL believers should know how to deal with demons and those who need help with such, should be able to go to a church wherein the gifts of the Holy Spirit are acknowledged and used as per scripture.

Put on the armor. The devil is never more pleased than when a person thinks he cannot operate in their life.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I don't know who you are, where you go to church or what books you read. I have no prejudice against you at all, but what you present is not biblical. I understand you prefer to stay in what you perceive is a safe place for you. I did not offer an opinion; I posted sound biblical references which you choose to ignore. That, is on you.



And? People have spent years and years and years studying what you brush off. But oh boy! YOU just read the Bible. All of it. Do you know how silly that sounds? BTW, most of us here have most likely done so and more than once. And studied too! You are not in a class by yourself

The rest of your post consists of one liners of denial. That, is also on you. Obviously, no one is allowed to correct or discuss with you. As I said in my first post, you are here to teach rather than discuss. It seems you have also overlooked what Paul said in Romans 8.

THE ENTIRE WORLD WAITS FOR REDEMPTION...IT GROANS IN FACT. Yet, you think we are not living under any curses. As Christians we are freed from the curse of the law. But sorry, the preceedings in the garden set things in motion which will not stop until Jesus comes back.

I do not thank you for your opinion. It sets a dangerous path for those who need help but do not get it because some people teach we are just fine thank you very much.

I would direct you or anyone else, to your thread, here. It might be a bit of a read, but it explains your opinions quite well. For the record, I do not believe in 'deliverance ministries'. I don't see that in scripture. But I do see Paul writing to believers that they are not ignorant of the devils wiles, UNLIKE so many believers today who profess knowledge more than the average Joe but trespass into dangerous places by ignorance; both willful and real. ALL believers should know how to deal with demons and those who need help with such, should be able to go to a church wherein the gifts of the Holy Spirit are acknowledged and used as per scripture.

Put on the armor. The devil is never more pleased than when a person thinks he cannot operate in their life.

I don't know who you are, where you go to church or what books you read. I have no prejudice against you at all, but what you present is not biblical.

It's okay to disagree. But I believe the scriptures speak for themselves.

I understand you prefer to stay in what you perceive is a safe place for you. I did not offer an opinion; I posted sound biblical references which you choose to ignore. That, is on you.

I didn't ignore, I refuted your interpretation.

And? People have spent years and years and years studying what you brush off. But oh boy! YOU just read the Bible. All of it. Do you know how silly that sounds?

Brush off? Like what? To be honest I'm not even sure what you are referring to. What is unbiblical? That Christ became the curse? That the origin of curses are both God and demonic or only God? What exactly are you not understanding? I know you had an issue with land curse but have yet to address Genesis 8. Instead you have reverted to red herrings, strawmen, and ad hominems. But I'm glad you find humor in the Bible being read in it's totality.

BTW, most of us here have most likely done so and more than once. And studied too! You are not in a class by yourself

Not did I ever believe or say I was. I just pointed out that context in its totality is important.

The rest of your post consists of one liners of denial. That, is also on you. Obviously, no one is allowed to correct or discuss with you. As I said in my first post, you are here to teach rather than discuss. It seems you have also overlooked what Paul said in Romans 8.

In one part yes, the goal is to teach. I have discussed the last 19 posts. So again not sure what you mean. Just as Romans 8. You just posted it with no understanding of why you posted it. What was the reason or point?

THE ENTIRE WORLD WAITS FOR REDEMPTION...IT GROANS IN FACT. Yet, you think we are not living under any curses.

Oh was this the point? You do understand that the OP was about our spiritual nature right? The condition of the soul?

As Christians we are freed from the curse of the law. But sorry, the preceedings in the garden set things in motion which will not stop until Jesus comes back.

I believe I understand the confusion now. We are having a categorical error. The OP was describing what Christ has done in us, not what we must deal with around us. Obviously the things and people still affected by the curse, will be around us.

This place isn't even considered home as a child of God, we are passing through as ambassadors or sojourners.

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do not thank you for your opinion. It sets a dangerous path for those who need help but do not get it because some people teach we are just fine thank you very much.

just fine? Lol okay. Literally my post ended about needing Christ to be protected.

Put on the armor. The devil is never more pleased than when a person thinks he cannot operate in their life.

Another strawman. I never said this.