Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Mem]

Hhhhmmmmm, well it definitely happened that way.
Seed of the serpent , Gen 3:15, Goliaths head buried at Golgotha and all of that.

I'm sure it isn't coincidence that Golgatha resembles a skull, but is there evidence that Goliath's head is buried there?
I wonder if that the seed of the woman's name is The Truth might actually have some key to understanding this enmity between the seeds.

 

[Mem]

Was it posted for argument’s sake?

For teaching's sake, most probably, but I'm not one to take every philosophy as though it is scripture.

 

[Mem]

That insight would help explain why we find homosexuality among the human race.
Why God hates it so, and finds it deplorable.

Angels who were created with sexual ability were denied ANGELIC females. (Genesis 6:1-2)
In mercy, God's angels became recipients of the power of grace not to lust.

But, Satan and his angels?

They do not receive grace.
They lust and lust and lust.
And, hate man and woman having happy relationships.
In desperation, among themselves, they produced perverse counterfeits to satisfy their unquenchable lust.

Wake up girl.
Answers are being supplied now for us in a time, when Satanic power is gaining more control over the minds of men.

There is a door.
Stop being on the outside looking in.

grace and peace ............

I'd heard that they (must've?) put on flesh in order to... what would it be called... fraternize? with females. I'd also heard that these same angels taught women how to apply makeup, but that they were created with sexual ability is a novel idea to me.

 

[Genez]

Yes Paul was speaking to believers. It hasn't been given to unbelievers to believe.

And it's not a matter of your posts being wrong; rather, they don't answer the questions I asked.

If you learned how to properly ask a question you would not have to make that complaint so often.
You are the only one who consistently makes that protest.

This will be in response to your comment made here...

Paul was speaking to believers. It hasn't been given to unbelievers to believe.

If God's grace did not sovereignly restrain the flesh by means of the Holy Spirit?
Nobody - no one - could begin to believe!

Keep in mind. No one asks God for this restraint.
For, God sovereignly imposes this restraint upon the depraved flesh of a person as He draws him/her to make them free of the oppression of the depravity that the flesh constantly manifests.

Yet, even so? Having one's flesh restrained by the Spirit? While God is drawing the person, it does not mean that a soul will believe when his flesh is silenced.

For, while the state of grace of suspended depravity?
That soul is being made free of the depravity of the flesh, to wish to believe God is real, or not.
If he wishes to believe God is real?
Then God will turn that wish into a reality, by giving that person substance for his faith - that substance being, the Word of God!

Here's the catch.

Like Satan and his angels did from their original perfect state?
Not everyone under the power of God's sovereign bestowed grace (to silence their depraved flesh) will want to believe!
That is where angels will get see a reenactment of their original position played out before their eyes...

Some just do not want God in their lives.
Once that is settled?
The drawing of God ceases.
Then they are marked "condemned."

grace and peace....

 

[Cameron143]

If you learned how to properly ask a question you would not have to make that complaint so often.
You are the only one who consistently makes that protest.

This will be in response to your comment made here...



If God's grace did not sovereignly restrain the flesh by means of the Holy Spirit?
Nobody - no one - could begin to believe!

Keep in mind. No one asks God for this restraint.
For, God sovereignly imposes this restraint upon the depraved flesh of a person as He draws him/her to make them free of the oppression of the depravity that the flesh constantly manifests.

Yet, even so? Having one's flesh restrained by the Spirit? While God is drawing the person, it does not mean that a soul will believe when his flesh is silenced.

For, while the state of grace of suspended depravity?
That soul is being made free of the depravity of the flesh, to wish to believe God is real, or not.
If he wishes to believe God is real?
Then God will turn that wish into a reality, by giving that person substance for his faith - that substance being, the Word of God!

Here's the catch.

Like Satan and his angels did from their original perfect state?
Not everyone under the power of God's sovereign bestowed grace (to silence their depraved flesh) will want to believe!
That is where angels will get see a reenactment of their original position played out before their eyes...

Some just do not want God in their lives.
Once that is settled?
The drawing of God ceases.
Then they are marked "condemned."

grace and peace....

Let's see how tough the questions are?
What is given?
To whom?
Boy, those are difficult questions to understand.

When something is given, it is from that point forward possessed. If that thing is belief, the belief is possessed from that point forward.

 

[cv5]

I'm sure it isn't coincidence that Golgatha resembles a skull, but is there evidence that Goliath's head is buried there?
I wonder if that the seed of the woman's name is The Truth might actually have some key to understanding this enmity between the seeds.

Actually.....that place doesn't LOOK like a skull. That is an old Bible fable.

It's NAME is "place of the skull". The skull of this entity:

1Sa 17:54 - And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

 

[Mem]

Actually.....that place doesn't LOOK like a skull. That is an old Bible fable.

It's NAME is "place of the skull". The skull of this entity:

1Sa 17:54 - And David took the head of the Philistine, and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armour in his tent.

Then I've seen actual pictures of a place that looked like a skull that is claimed to be Golgotha so I'm not sure it is a myth (given that doesn't prove that Jesus was or wasn't actually crucified in that exact place). And although verse offered is a strong lead toward your claim, wasn't Jesus was crucified outside of Jerusalem?

 

[cv5]

Then I've seen actual pictures of a place that looked like a skull that is claimed to be Golgotha so I'm not sure it is a myth (given that doesn't prove that Jesus was or wasn't actually crucified in that exact place). And although verse offered is a strong lead toward your claim, wasn't Jesus was crucified outside of Jerusalem?

Unquestionably the precise location of the Crucifixion is...... bullseye on top of Gol of Gaths (Goliath's) skull.

Fulfilling Gen 3:15.

 

[Genez]

Let's see how tough the questions are?
What is given?
To whom?
Boy, those are difficult questions to understand.

When something is given, it is from that point forward possessed. If that thing is belief, the belief is possessed from that point forward.

I answered a question that you failed to find a good answer for.
You still failed to see them when I address them, and respond with I failed to address your question.

 

[Cameron143]

I answered a question that you failed to find a good answer for.
You still failed to see them when I address them, and respond with I failed to address your question.

I didn't say you failed to answer. I disagree with your answer, but I didn't say you didn't answer. So...I've still not gotten a good answer...unless you count the answer I gave.

 

[Genez]

I'd heard that they (must've?) put on flesh in order to... what would it be called... fraternize? with females. I'd also heard that these same angels taught women how to apply makeup, but that they were created with sexual ability is a novel idea to me.

Fallen angels have been denied the right.

Angels can materialize.
They can appear to be a human being.
With their materialized bodies, they can eat human food!

So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead ​

it and bake some bread.”​

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Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. ​

He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. ​

While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. Genesis 18:6-8​

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We have instructions to entertain strangers because some have entertained angels without knowing it!

Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it. Hebrews 13:2​

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And, in the wilderness, following Moses?
The Jews ate the food of angels (mana)!

Psalm 78:24-25

God rained manna upon them for food;
grain from heaven he gave them.
Man ate the bread of the angels;
food he sent in abundance.​

Angels have a power to materialize, or remain invisible.
Demons have been denied such an ability any longer.
Its why some demons wish to possess a body!

Yes...
Truth is stranger than fiction.....

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[Genez]

I didn't say you failed to answer. I disagree with your answer, but I didn't say you didn't answer. So...I've still not gotten a good answer...unless you count the answer I gave.

Others have been benefitting from what you have been failed to grasp.
So nothing was lost as far as I am concerned...

Thank you for making the answers available for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yes Paul was speaking to believers.

Does God provide all that is necessary at the time the believer is born again?

It hasn't been given to unbelievers to believe.

I disagree ... however, according to you, Phil 1:29 is not speaking about unbelievers ...and I agree with you on that point ... Phil 1:29 refers to born again believers ... so, do you believe the born again one lacks anything?

And it's not a matter of your posts being wrong; rather, they don't answer the questions I asked.

I did not ask if what I submitted was right or wrong ... I asked if you disagreed with what was submitted.
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[reneweddaybyday]

Again, not on topic.

totally on topic ...

The timetable isn't given for when it is given. But once it is given, one would cease from stealing.

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your claim that there's some sort of "timetable" for faith to be given in order for the believer to cease from stealing appears to indicate that the believer can continue to steal because God has not provided all that is necessary for the believer to stop stealing ... when that is not the case at all.

All that is needed is given by God the moment a person is born again. The believer either yields to the flesh and continues to steal (i.e. fails to put off the old man) ... or the believer yields to God and is dead to sin (i.e. puts off the old man and puts on the new man)

Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

It says it is given unto those in view to believe on Jesus.

The born again believer has already believed on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Try not to gobbledygook like some here.

The fact that you and your friend think it's "gobbledygook" to put off the old man and put on the new man reveals much ... you and your friend should go back to your Chubby Checker ... smh
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[Genez]

Yes Paul was speaking to believers. It hasn't been given to unbelievers to believe.

Romans 1:18-22, tells us that unbelievers will suppress what is needed to believe that was given to them by God!

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that they are without excuse.​

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For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.​

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Why even bother giving that to unbelievers if God did not choose to save them?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

When something is given, it is from that point forward possessed. If that thing is belief, the belief is possessed from that point forward.

again ... Phil 1:29 refers to born again believers ... those who have already been given belief ... so going back to what you said:

The timetable isn't given for when it is given. But once it is given, one would cease from stealing.

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do you believe the born again believer does not have all that is needed to stop stealing the moment he or she is born again?
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[GWH]

Not the belief itself. That must come from the person.

The capacity for believing is freed up when the Holy Spirit restrains the flesh as to allow the soul to think for itself.

Yes, whether to believe God's Word or Satan's lie.

 

[GWH]

If you learned how to properly ask a question you would not have to make that complaint so often.
You are the only one who consistently makes that protest.

This will be in response to your comment made here...



If God's grace did not sovereignly restrain the flesh by means of the Holy Spirit?
Nobody - no one - could begin to believe!

Keep in mind. No one asks God for this restraint.
For, God sovereignly imposes this restraint upon the depraved flesh of a person as He draws him/her to make them free of the oppression of the depravity that the flesh constantly manifests.

Yet, even so? Having one's flesh restrained by the Spirit? While God is drawing the person, it does not mean that a soul will believe when his flesh is silenced.

For, while the state of grace of suspended depravity?
That soul is being made free of the depravity of the flesh, to wish to believe God is real, or not.
If he wishes to believe God is real?
Then God will turn that wish into a reality, by giving that person substance for his faith - that substance being, the Word of God!

Here's the catch.

Like Satan and his angels did from their original perfect state?
Not everyone under the power of God's sovereign bestowed grace (to silence their depraved flesh) will want to believe!
That is where angels will get see a reenactment of their original position played out before their eyes...

Some just do not want God in their lives.
Once that is settled?
The drawing of God ceases.
Then they are marked "condemned."

grace and peace....

Re "If you learned how to properly ask a question you would not have to make that complaint so often.": So true,
and the proper question for this thread would be "Can we really not exercise moral free will?"

 

[Cameron143]

Romans 1:18-22, tells us that unbelievers will suppress what is needed to believe that was given to them by God!

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that they are without excuse.​

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For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.​

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Why even bother giving that to unbelievers if God did not choose to save them?

The verse is simple. It was given to saved individuals to believe on Christ. It was not given to those who don't believe to believe on Christ. It's no more complicated than that. When God gives to an individual to believe on Christ, they believe on Christ. If He doesn't, individuals remain in unbelief.

 

[Cameron143]

again ... Phil 1:29 refers to born again believers ... those who have already been given belief ... so going back to what you said:

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do you believe the born again believer does not have all that is needed to stop stealing the moment he or she is born again?
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Missing my point. See post 19,759.