Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Magenta said:
Calvin had no sway over the council's decision to burn Servitus at the stake. He was against it, and you and you FWer's
desperation to condemn the man for something he did not do due to your derangement syndrome is pathetic.

And as someone such as yourself who takes such pride in your research abilities? Shame on you.
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Here is some research:

Calvin was a key figure in prosecuting Servetus and agreed with the death penalty for his heresy. However, he argued against the method of burning at the stake, requesting that Servetus be beheaded instead.
 
Magenta said:
Exonerated? Hey, you are welcome. I am happy to have been able to give you better more accurate info.
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They're trying to turn the discussion into one of Calvin instead of the Bible itself. Since they can't win on biblical doctrine, they try to divert from it by trying to use him as their get out of jail free card.
 
rogerg said:
They're trying to turn the discussion into one of Calvin instead of the Bible itself. Since they can't win
on biblical doctrine, they try to divert from it by trying to use him as their get out of jail free card.
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Yeah, they love their logical fallacies... as if they have any weight against Scripture.

And of course they can provide zero verses articulating what they believe while rejecting, rewriting,
contradicting, and denying a plethora of Scripture verses that say the opposite of what they claim.

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The free will camp assumes, with no supporting text and contrary to many verses that evidence the opposite, that the man of flesh is free to choose, and will believe, that which he can neither receive nor comprehend, and to which he is inherently opposed with his uncircumcised heart of stone. There is simply no getting around the fact that this is the core of their belief, and it flies in the face of what Scripture actually teaches about the natural man who is a slave to sin and lover of darkness refusing to come into the light, blinded to truth and under the power and influence of Satan: he serves the law of sin which brings forth fruit unto death, not life. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, his incurably wicked heart cannot be changed. He hates God, rejects the light, and hears the gospel message as foolishness. Praise the Lord if He has set you free!
 
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Romans 8:31-35
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who is against us? 32 He that spared not even his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how hath he not also, with him, given us all things? 33 Who shall accuse against the elect of God? God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that shall condemn? Christ Jesus that died, yea that is risen also again; who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who then shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation? or distress? or famine? or nakedness? or danger? or persecution? or the sword?
 
rogerg said:
They're trying to turn the discussion into one of Calvin instead of the Bible itself. Since they can't win on biblical doctrine, they try to divert from it by trying to use him as their get out of jail free card.
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We're pointing out the ungodly root of your doctrine.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
We're pointing out the ungodly root of your doctrine.
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You deny it, but Paul taught inability.

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John 14 v 17a, Romans 8 v 6-9 ~ “Inability” in Bible. The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Praise be to God for calling me out of the world.
 
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2 Corinthians 4 v 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 
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The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. The world does not recognize Him. No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. The one who loves God is known by God. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
 
Magenta said:
You deny it, but Paul taught inability.

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John 14 v 17a, Romans 8 v 6-9 ~ “Inability” in Bible. The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Praise be to God for calling me out of the world.
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Yes, Saint Paul is a Catholic saint, recognized for his pivotal role in spreading Christianity after his conversion. The Catholic Church considers him a saint because he was a zealous missionary who was martyred for his faith, and his writings are seen as consistent with Catholic teachings.
  • Conversion: Saul of Tarsus, a persecutor of Christians, converted to Christianity after a vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus.
  • Missionary work: He traveled extensively, founded churches, and wrote many of the letters that now make up the New Testament.
  • Martyrdom: He was martyred in Rome around 66 AD.
  • Catholic belief: The Catholic Church considers his writings and teachings to be foundational to the faith and consistent with Catholic dogma, including his emphasis on the sacraments and the Church as the "pillar and foundation of truth".
  • Patron saint: Saint Paul is the patron saint of missions, writers, and publishers.
Paul
 
Solitude said:
Yes, Saint Paul is a Catholic saint, recognized for his pivotal role in spreading Christianity after his conversion. The Catholic Church considers him a saint because he was a zealous missionary who was martyred for his faith, and his writings are seen as consistent with Catholic teachings.
  • Conversion: Saul of Tarsus, a persecutor of Christians, converted to Christianity after a vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus.
  • Missionary work: He traveled extensively, founded churches, and wrote many of the letters that now make up the New Testament.
  • Martyrdom: He was martyred in Rome around 66 AD.
  • Catholic belief: The Catholic Church considers his writings and teachings to be foundational to the faith and consistent with Catholic dogma, including his emphasis on the sacraments and the Church as the "pillar and foundation of truth".
  • Patron saint: Saint Paul is the patron saint of missions, writers, and publishers.
Paul
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Are you a Catholic? Roman Catholicism is largely considered heretical here.

Paul wrote Scripture.
 
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2 Timothy 1 verse 9~ He has saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works, but by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time began. Ephesians 1 verses 4-5~ He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1 verse 11~ In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will.
 
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