Your basis is hermeneutical methods or hermeneutical principles.
My discernment is you want to teach in this forum by using hermeneutical methods.
My basis is the truth.
I don't have any intention to teach but to share the truth.
How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?
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Your basis is hermeneutical methods or hermeneutical principles.
My discernment is you want to teach in this forum by using hermeneutical methods.
My basis is the truth.
I don't have any intention to teach but to share the truth.
Blessed Sabbath, Believers in the Righteousness of Christ
Mr Dino has "issues" with the Truth, Jesus, as The Word doesn't support Dino's OSAS doctrine.. so Dino puts a disparaging word against The Truth and anyone who supports it.. It seems he thinks ( as he acts) as THE authoritative interpreter of The Word, here in the forum, which makes him, a "False Prophet" a "natural man" 1 Cor 2:14, IMHO and Scripture's.
Wow. You don’t know jack about me other than the misguided and ignorant comments of others, but you take and run with them like they were penned by Paul himself. You get one opportunity to be something other than a jackdonkey before I treat you as you apparently desire to be treated.
So, try again.
Okay !
I have an above average reading & comprehension ability and can "spiritually discern" by the power of the Holy Spirit, from what comes out of your mouth, here in these CC forums.
Luke 6:45 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."
Matt 7:16 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
Isaiah 8:20 “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light ( The Holy Spirit ) in them.” This denotes the condition of our hearts in relation to the Righteousness of Christ, as is obvious to others here in the forums as well.
I'm doing you a "blessing" (Godly love) by pointing out your lack of discernment of scripture, which is "believing Jesus" and by His Faith, that leads to obedience to the Will of His Father, the "Faith of Jesus", Be aware of John 3:16 with your opposition to "believing Jesus"
Rev 14:12 "12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Therefore; according to Scripture ...
1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2 Tim 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." = a false prophet ( Read ALL 2 Tim 3:1-17 )
How very, "Pharisaical" of you... again, out of your own mouth ... you wish to persecute anyone who apposes, or disagrees with you and your "traditions" ...
Jesus says, “lawlessness will abound” in the end times.
Matt 24: 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and you shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.
And Jesus also predicted that there will be some people—a very small group, the remnant —who will not embrace lawlessness. In fact, these people will be defined by the opposite, lawfulness. They will govern their lives by God’s law ,
1 John 5: 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
But we won’t be honored and respected by the World, for our way of life. Jesus said: “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake” Matt 24:9
I would be honored, to die for my faith as did the classic Protestant Reformers, I pray .. for then I would be ...
Rev 14:7 " Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." <= Sabbath reference - ( Fear God, who made the Sabbath )
Blessed Sabbath, Folks. I pray ...
How many of my thousands of posts have you read? Ten? Twenty? Have you read anything of mine outside of this thread or others started by Godsgood? Or, as I strongly suspect, have you taken my brief interactions with him as comprehensive?
You demonstrate again that you know almost nothing about me.
What, exactly, are my "traditions" as you believe them to be? And what "persecution" am I inflicting on anyone?
This should be entertaining.
I'm not here to "argue" scripture, just to present scriptural Truth, Jesus !!
Which I have done ...
It doesn't take for me to read thousands of your words ... to understand which spirit you are of, in this world, James 4:4 , including what I've already posted .. I don't have time to repeat myself to you ... Please pray on what I've said, take it to heart, repent and change your heart, to Christ and His Righteousness, I pray !, ... for your redemption draws nigh, OR NOT, that is between you and the Holy Spirit ... my obligation of warning you is done, having given the Three Angels Message, Rev 14. Good Day Sir & Blessings!
For those reading;
There are ONLY two spirits in the world, The Spirit of obedience, the spirit of disobedience, .... Adam & Eve, before The Fall and then after believing Satan, rather than God, = sin came, = disobedience to the Character of God, being LOVE Duet 6:4-9, Matt 22:37, ETC.
Followed by God's example of the Spirit of Able, obedience and the Spirit of Cain, to disobedience & rebellion. The Spirit of Babylon, selfishness, pride, false worship, and rebellion to God, and the Spirit of the Children of God, being love for God and obedience to His Will, as was the Faith OF Jesus, Rev 14:12 KJV = Faith IN & Love FOR His Father and His Will. Luke 10:27 & Mark 12: 28-31.
“If you love Me, you WILL keep My commandments. John 14:15 ESV, BLB ... Believing Jesus John 3:16 is ALL about Love & obedience.
Sabbath Blessings, Y'all
No, you have presented your opinion of me, which is laughably misguided.
Next time you think it necessary to impose your distorted concept of “loving” on a stranger, consider this truth: your “discernment” is not coming from the Holy Spirit.
Exactly—our Lord’s warning in Matthew 24:23–24 reminds us to stay spiritually discerning and anchored in His Word. Not every sign, wonder, or claim of divine authority comes from God. False christs and prophets can appear convincing, even performing works that seem miraculous, but their message often departs from the truth of Scripture. That’s why Jesus cautioned us to measure everything against His Word, so that even the elect would not be deceived by appearances or emotion, but remain steadfast in the truth.
Grace and Peace
I'm getting confused as it is. You quote Rob and pose a question to him that Follower answers using the same language as Gg.... who is who indeed!
Without knowing the real Jesus could not know who is the false Christ and false Prophets.
Because it is only Jesus who could reveal who are they.
Therefore: We must recognize Jesus Christ by revelation of the Father as in Matthew 16:15-17 to know the real Jesus.
According to Matthew 16:15-17 it requires a miracle from God to recognize the real Jesus Christ.
MATTHEW 16:15-17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
No need for confusion ... Isaiah 8:11-20 .. the Lord is not the author of confusion, Satan is ~~> 1 Cor 13:42 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.I'm getting confused as it is. You quote Rob and pose a question to him that Follower answers using the same language as Gg.... who is who indeed!
We Christ Believing Christians, are all coming from, and promoting, the same Spirit, in opposition, to the spirit of this world.
Ok....
That's the exact question we should be asking.
According to Paul, no one could keep the Old Testament Law....but not for a lack of trying. In the same way today we cannot keep the New Testament Laws.
Subsequently, we cannot by nature hold to a perfect theology. Even though it's written down we as humans are not going to do it right....ever. Not in theory or in practice.
There ARE some main plain things though that are key doctrines to hold to. The two greatest Commandments are the Law we need to strive for..
Love God
Love your neighbor.
(If you will excuse the brevity I mentioned them with)
Killing your neighbor because he doesn't hold perfect theology is the exact and precise blasphemy that, according to the quote, is deserving of death.
That's why I posted it....
Interesting picture, and quote.
Caused me to find out who "Saint" Louis IX was and why he would say, what you quoted him as saying ..
Searching found;
AI said:
SO ! He was a "pawn", for the Roman Church, doing the (supposed "divine") will of Pope Boniface VIII in 1297... Adhering to what and Who the Papacy considered a "Christian" and a "Blasphemer" ( Blasphemy = an act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for a religious deity or sacred person or thing ) as speaking against the RCC is considered blasphemy, still TODAY, according to their church doctrine. Rome hasn't changed, even though having put on a new face, since their being outed as " antichrist" by the Classical Reformers.
The Papacy, all thru history has considered REAL, Jesus believing and following Christians as heretics and blasphemers, for not believing and following the Popes and their "religion", hence the 10's of millions of true believers and protestant believers, having been killed, martyred for their Faith in Jesus, by the Antichrist spirit of the world. This martyrdom of innocence is still going on TODAY...
Excuse me Sir, but you are misunderstanding Paul.
The statement “no one could keep the Old Testament Law… ... In the same way today we cannot keep the New Testament Laws” is incorrect because it denies both the purpose of the divine law and the transformative power of God’s grace in human life.
The Law Can Be Kept Through Christ
According to Scripture, The Word-Jesus, the law of God—summarized in the Ten Commandments—is eternal, holy, and possible to obey through divine help. Christ Himself came not only to redeem humanity from sin but also “to teach us how to keep the law of God by His own example”. “the Saviour’s life of obedience maintained the claims of the law—it proved that the law could be kept in humanity”. Thus, Jesus did not illustrate that obedience was impossible, but rather demonstrated that through faith and divine strength, humanity could live in harmony with God’s precepts.
Obedience Is the Fruit of Faith, Not Legalism
There is a sharp distinction between legalism (trying to earn salvation by rule-keeping) and obedience born of faith. Salvation is solely by grace, but that genuine faith always produces obedience as its evidence: “The gospel does not weaken the claims of God’s holy law, but brings men up where they can keep its precepts”. So, while human effort alone cannot achieve righteousness, the indwelling Spirit transforms believers so they may walk in obedience as a natural expression of love for God.
The Same Moral Standard in Both Testaments
The moral law was not abolished or replaced by a new one in the New Testament. Rather, the same divine principles undergird both covenants. “The conditions and promises are the same in the Old Testament as they are in the New. The favor of God is promised only to those who obey Him.”. The difference lies not in the law itself but in the power believers now receive through Christ. Therefore, saying that “we cannot keep the New Testament laws” repudiates the entire purpose of grace, which is to restore what sin has broken.
In Summary
The quoted statement is misinformed because:
- It wrongly implies God’s law was given as an impossible standard.
- It overlooks that Christ’s life proved obedience possible through divine power.
- It denies that grace enables believers to live faithfully under both the Old and New Covenants.
Yeah....
You just keep believing that...
But I'd bet a million dollars that your faith has wavered from time to time expressed in vivid actions you have done.
So....
Wanna try again?
You, nor any human, has and holds perfect theology. We are human....no better than Gomer.
Oh for sure ! I agree with you 100% ...
No Where, Have I EVER said that I am sinless, OR was able, by my own power to "keep the 10 Commandments" and "love God AND my neighbor" .. I'm CONSTANTLY praying for repentance & forgiveness, for "lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and, the pride of life." .. almost daily. <~~ I can not help it, it is my carnal nature, the natural man, in me. Read Romans 7:11-21 ( Tis a good description of me
)I resemble Roman's 7
v24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?( the sinful body of flesh )
v25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
It is ONLY by the Power of Christ's Holy Spirit, via PRAYER and OBEDIENCE (Rev 14:12), to the Father, that I don't have a "form of Godliness"
of 2 Tim 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:( The Power = The Holy Spirit ) from such turn away.
... and yet, STILL, I find in me SIN ~~>
Roman's 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
v18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
v19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
v20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
Ah ! Sweet Jesus, there is a battle in my members, that only He can fix, I PRAY !!
BY ! ~~> Gal 2: 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live to God.
v20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
v21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
but by the power of Christ' Spirit, who dwells in me, ( Christ's robe of Righteousness ) I am saved, I PRAY, and presented blameless, before God, at this soon closing of the probationary period, and the soon coming Judgement.
~~ Nor do I propose that I have "perfect Theology" ~~
I pray for the Holy Spirit to give me understanding, and to speak through me, as to the Father's Will, as to what HE WANTS to be said..
... and if I can get myself outta the way, sufficiently to allow the H.S. to works, through me, then .. as you have witnessed, I pray to present God's Word, accurately and Truthfully, so that WE ALL, may be blessed...
The problem doesn't lie with the scripture that is presented, but with man's inability to understand it. With many, so called "Christians", "False Prophets" lacking the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, WHO is required for discernment of Spiritual Matters, they lack understanding of the Righteousness of Christ, the Faith OF Christ our Lord, (Lord Help them, I pray !)
1 Cor 2: 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Blessings Brother