Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

I think you are correct. Talking to a Fwer is like talking to a fence post out in the cow pasture. However, only God can
change the heart of man. We must make His truth known to as many as possible, regardless of their present condition.

Romans 7 v 14, John 8 v 34, Jeremiah 13 v 23, Romans 3 v 10 ~ We know that the law is spiritual; but
I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.” Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Neither are you able to do good - you who are accustomed to doing evil. There is no one righteous, not even one.

 

[Genez]

FW = Full of Wisdom.

 

[cv5]

It can be understood.
But, only if God forces upon the hearer irresistible logic to get it.

Only if their will, brain and heart are removed and replaced by spiritual cybernetic implants.

 

[Genez]

Only if their will, brain and heart are removed and replaced by spiritual cybernetic implants.

Those who have found Bible doctrine and keep growing in truth develop "faith rest."

The TULIP people?
They develop "fate rest."

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Genesis 3:15 was not the Gospel.

have you ever heard of protoevangelium?

I looked up the term at your open bible source and the first verse that pops up is Gen 3:15.
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[reneweddaybyday]

This is what happens when people don't quote entire posts. Deceitful people will alter texts or leave out portions in an attempt to alter the meaning of posts of others they disagree with.

Cameron143 ... I quoted your full post and replied to it at Post 19,096 so I hope/pray you are not inferring that I do not quote "entire posts" or that I am a "deceitful" person or that I "alter the text" or "leave out portions in an attempt to alter the meaning of posts".

While you and I may not fully agree on every aspect of God's Word, I do believe we are in agreement on truths pertaining to the life of the born again believer.
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[Cameron143]

Cameron143 ... I quoted your full post and replied to it at Post 19,096 so I hope/pray you are not inferring that I do not quote "entire posts" or that I am a "deceitful" person or that I "alter the text" or "leave out portions in an attempt to alter the meaning of posts".

While you and I may not fully agree on every aspect of God's Word, I do believe we are in agreement on truths pertaining to the life of the born again believer.
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I wasn't referring to you either.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

.reneweddaybyday said:

well it's also a guarantee that Seth's mother did not give birth to Seth without Adam.

No kidding.
Why are you contentious regarding those facts.

not contentious ... here's the discussion:

In Post 18,878, you provided a link to a gotquestions article "Adam-and-Eve-saved".

In Post 18,886, Rufus stated that he disagreed with the gotquestions article. Rufus also made a statement that Eve alone acknowledged God ... and that Adam was only involved in having intimate relations with Eve which resulted in Eve having a son.

In Post 19,098, I responded that Eve was not mentioned in Gen 5 where it is stated that Adam begat a son and named him and that this son (Seth) is included in the genealogy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

After that you submitted Post 19,105 and I responded in Post 19,108.

sometimes conversations in threads are hard to follow when many people are discussing various issues ... hard to keep track of who said what and when!

And for the record, I do agree with your Post 18,878.
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[cv5]

Genesis 3:15 was not the Gospel.

Sure it is.
Time to do your homework.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Jesus was our substitute on the Cross.

Agree Jesus was our substitute on the Cross and He bore our sins and we are healed by His stripes (1 Peter 2:24) ... we did not suffer the stripes He suffered.

Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

God sees us being one with Jesus!

Here, Jesus said so Himself!

Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. ​

He went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, ​

so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he ​

might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. As he neared Damascus on his journey, ​

suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard ​

a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”​

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“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.​

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“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. Acts 9:1-5​

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The Christians that Paul was abusing?
Jesus saw as them as being Himself.

yes ... and this was after the Lord Jesus Christ had risen from the dead, ascended up into heaven, and had sent the Promise of the Father on Day of Pentecost.

In Matt 16 when Jesus asked His disciples "whom say ye that I am?" (vs 15) and Peter answered "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" (vs 16), Jesus said "thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church" (vs 18) ... "will build" = future tense which indicates His church was not in existence yet.

We need to learn about our position in Christ.
For, we are now the Bride of Christ!

yes, "we are now the Bride of Christ" in agreement ... now being the operative term.

As Bride and Husband?
We have become "one flesh."

The born again one becomes one with Him at the time he or she is born again ... not before.

We are not dealing with the normal way of seeing things anymore.
That is why its so important to learn more and more Bible doctrine.

Yes ... don't just stand in the shallows ... take the deep dive.
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[reneweddaybyday]

Precious friend, Does Not God Also State/See:

"...God, Who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not​

as though they were." (Romans 4:17b AV)​

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yes ... and Romans 4:17b refers to Abraham at the age of 100 fathering a son and Sarah at the age of 90 having a son ... even though she had been barren her whole life up to that point.

Romans 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb

Accomplished By God Through The One Distinct Baptism Is How God Can Say:

"I am crucified With Christ"​

The One Unifying Baptism for us today, Under Grace.

Even if our finite mind cannot understand It, eh?

Amen.

the baptism takes place when a person comes to the cross ... not that the person hung on the cross as the perfect sacrifice for sin.
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[Edward429451]

I never said they did. Are you having comprehension problems?

Aren't you ever capable of being nice to people?

 

[Peaceful_Spirit]

it's not his personal experience he's sharing somebody else personal experience. He said I will give you an example. See that's what you would say if it was your own personal experience.

But because somebody is sharing a personal experience, the first thing you could do is let emotions favour your decision.

So basically he will soon have you on board the free willers side, by appealing to your emotions.

Its what the Armenian apostolic church are doing, there preaching free will to appeal to human emotions, where many people end going to them. This church is growing in numbers and so is there projection of false idols that comes with there free will speeches. And that church is responsible for plaguing people and the word of God with isms, and destroying grace to.

What is your deal exactly with Armenian people that several times you have spoken so negatively? From calling them a curse to saying preaching false idols and on and on you went off ranting. I would respectfully like to know why you feel this way towards a small minority/country who have been through their own hell throughout history and survived. Still continues to survive today and their faith has never wavered despite all of it.

 

[Genez]

have you ever heard of protoevangelium?

I looked up the term at your open bible source and the first verse that pops up is Gen 3:15.
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The important thing to note in Genesis 3:15.

Is that it was to be from the seed of the woman (not the man) that the Messiah would come into the world.
For it was through Adam's sperm that the sin nature entered the world, and has been passed down by males ever since.

That is why the Holy Spirit needed to supply the needed genetic material to fertilize the ovum of Mary to avoid the
fallen nature being transferred.

Unspoken details are to be found in treasure boxes buried along the way!

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My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have ​

the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, ​

namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. Col 2:2-3​

grace and peace!

 

[HeIsHere]

What is your deal exactly with Armenian people that several times you have spoken so negatively? From calling them a curse to saying preaching false idols and on and on you went off ranting. I would respectfully like to know why you feel this way towards a small minority/country who have been through their own hell throughout history and survived. Still continues to survive today and their faith has never wavered despite all of it.

I think it is a spelling error >> Arminians

He was referring to this >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminianism

 

[Genez]

Yes ... don't just stand in the shallows ... take the deep dive..

To do so, one must learn to hold 'His' breath.

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[cv5]

What is your deal exactly with Armenian people that several times you have spoken so negatively? From calling them a curse to saying preaching false idols and on and on you went off ranting. I would respectfully like to know why you feel this way towards a small minority/country who have been through their own hell throughout history and survived. Still continues to survive today and their faith has never wavered despite all of it.

Armenians are heroic IMO. Great is their faith....

 

[cv5]

The simple fact that the reformed/calvie/tulip crowd is on this forum "arguing" is a testament against their belief system.

By their own admission none can understand them. Everyone is blind. They would be better off debating a fence post out in the cow pasture.

If they actually believed what they preach......they would remain silent. They don't have a prayer breaking through to anyone.....according to their theory.

An admixture of fatalism, bizarre pseudo-philosophy and stupefying biblical illiteracy.

 

[Genez]

Armenians are heroic IMO. Great is their faith....

Yet they deny the depravity of man on a level that denies the need for grace enabling in the act of salvation.
No?

They think they are naturally good to some degree, not seeing that any good we may possess has its source in God, not ourselves.

 

[Doll]

have you ever heard of protoevangelium?

I looked up the term at your open bible source and the first verse that pops up is Gen 3:15.
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That's the prophecy of the future Gospel. It's called first Gospel because it refers to the seed of Eve,Jesus,overcoming the seed of the serpent,Lucifer.(Light Bearer)