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1 Corinthians 2 tells us we are Saved by God's grace. Not of ourselves, our work,so we are then incapable of boasting we Saved ourselves by working for our redemption.


For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

JESUS is GOD.

We are saved by grace it's not of our selves.

Think of all of the work it took for JESUS to make it so easy for us to get rid of our sins complared to OT.

look at what happened with Zechariah when he didn't what to name his son John.

What does the name john mean in hebrew?

The name John comes from the Hebrew name Yochanan (יִוֹחָנָן), which means "God is gracious" or "Yahweh has been gracious". It's a combination of two elements: "Yo-" or "Yeho-" (a shortened form of God's name, Yahweh) and the verb "hanan," meaning "to be gracious".

GOD GRACIOULY gives us the water to be baptized in to remove our sins.

Which was the foundation of the first message that JESUS promised to be preached in Acts 2:38

Don't you think when were we obey HIM and get baptized for remission of sins, that is a gift from GOD?

If you don't believe ALL of his word show me any other way to remove our sins.
 
Your contention regarding Baptism is requsite or we are not Saved makes the onus yours.
Show the Scripture that teaches us, we are not in God's grace of irrevocable Salvation unless we are Baptized.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 
Don't get caught in this trap brightfame52 I entertained this a bit but how could it justify a just God. Imo which goes quite fluently with scripture is to say God predestined salvation before the foundations were formed. As in Christ was predestined.
God was not at all caught off guard with the fall of man.knowing the end from the beginning had already establish salvation and atonement.
The work of God is to believe the son first and foremost. It is God who desires all come to repentance. For he has no joy in the destruction of the wicked.
There are some because they refuse to except the truth that God turns over to reprobate no matter how God has made himself known.
You will see this in Revelation where even God has angels proclaim the Gospel but still they refuse.
Predestination of people does not fit God's nature .
Paul even said that God can save from the uttermost but a person that refuses to believe no matter what they have seen or heard is simply lost beyond reason.
Did you see my clarification?
 
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Was Cornelius saved B4 he was baptized in water?
 
Was Cornelius saved B4 he was baptized in water?

You don't like what HIS word says?

That is sad.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to be saved without dying with Christ in baptism.

JESUS says unless a man is born of water and of spirit HE CAN NOT ENTER.

You tell me how can a person be saved when NEVER getting rid of their sins?

Why would ask such a silly question?
 
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
See. Those who are damned are those who believeth not.

It doesn't say,those who are not baptized and believeth not are damned.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:[/QUOTE]
The answer of a good Conscience toward God.
That's not referring to Salvation.

https://www.bibleref.com/1-Peter/3/1-Peter-3-21.html

"1 Peter 3:21 discusses baptism, stating that it symbolizes a person's appeal to God for a good conscience, not merely a physical cleansing. It emphasizes that true salvation comes through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, indicating that baptism is an important expression of faith rather than the means of salvation itself."
 
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See. Those who are damned are those who believeth not.

It doesn't say,those who are not baptized and believeth not are damned.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The answer of a good Conscience toward God.
That's not referring to Salvation.

https://www.bibleref.com/1-Peter/3/1-Peter-3-21.html

"1 Peter 3:21 discusses baptism, stating that it symbolizes a person's appeal to God for a good conscience, not merely a physical cleansing. It emphasizes that true salvation comes through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, indicating that baptism is an important expression of faith rather than the means of salvation itself."[/QUOTE]
and is baptized shall be saved; :love:
 
The answer of a good Conscience toward God.
That's not referring to Salvation.

https://www.bibleref.com/1-Peter/3/1-Peter-3-21.html

"1 Peter 3:21 discusses baptism, stating that it symbolizes a person's appeal to God for a good conscience, not merely a physical cleansing. It emphasizes that true salvation comes through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, indicating that baptism is an important expression of faith rather than the means of salvation itself."
and is baptized shall be saved; :love:[/QUOTE]
So,you ignored the right understanding I shared. Which tells you there are layers in our human self that is washed clean,when we are Saved.

OK.
Works do not Save.
 
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and is baptized shall be saved; :love:
So,you ignored the right understanding I shared. Which tells you there are layers in our human self that is washed clean,when we are Saved.

OK.
Works do not Save.[/QUOTE]
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
 
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So,you ignored the right understanding I shared. Which tells you there are layers in our human self that is washed clean,when we are Saved.

OK.
Works do not Save.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.[/QUOTE]
So,this woman wasn't Saved?
And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Luke 7:50 (NASB)

Acts 10:43 Cornelius wasn't Saved?
 
See. Those who are damned are those who believeth not.

It doesn't say,those who are not baptized and believeth not are damned.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The answer of a good Conscience toward God.
That's not referring to Salvation.

https://www.bibleref.com/1-Peter/3/1-Peter-3-21.html

"1 Peter 3:21 discusses baptism, stating that it symbolizes a person's appeal to God for a good conscience, not merely a physical cleansing. It emphasizes that true salvation comes through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, indicating that baptism is an important expression of faith rather than the means of salvation itself."[/QUOTE]

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

It's easy, if you believe you will be baptized and you shall be saved. BUT if you don't believe you will not be baptized (why would you if you don't believe) and you are damned.

1 Peter, it says, "baptism doth also now save us" that is why they have a good conscience toward GOD because lets look at the wording.

"by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

They have a good conscience because when they were baptized they were buried with JESUS and will rise again with HIM.

You say,

"1 Peter 3:21 discusses baptism, stating that it symbolizes a person's appeal to God for a good conscience, not merely a physical cleansing. It emphasizes that true salvation comes through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, indicating that baptism is an important expression of faith rather than the means of salvation itself."


"indicating that baptism is an important expression of faith rather than the means of salvation itself."

Can you show me in HIS word where being baptized is an expression of faith??????
 
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
So,this woman wasn't Saved?
And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Luke 7:50 (NASB)

Acts 10:43 Cornelius wasn't Saved?[/QUOTE]

LOL, that was when JESUS was on this earth.

He is now in Heaven and left us insturtucions on how to be saved just like in Acts 10.

Yes, the message was given to the Gentles, JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost and they were baptized so they were saved.
 
Christ took our sins upon Himself! Water Baptism is a sign and a seal that we believe this to be true.

JESUS did take our sins, but that is what HE did not what we have to do to take adavange of HIS work here on earth.

Is it a sign?

That your opinion unless you can back that up with HIS word?

Sad someone says that and so many people believe it.
 
You don't like what HIS word says?

That is sad.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to be saved without dying with Christ in baptism.

JESUS says unless a man is born of water and of spirit HE CAN NOT ENTER.

You tell me how can a person be saved when NEVER getting rid of their sins?

Why would ask such a silly question?

Was Cornelius saved B4 he was baptized in water? Did the Holy Spirit fall upon him B4 he was water baptized? That was a sign of ownership
 
Was Cornelius saved B4 he was baptized in water? Did the Holy Spirit fall upon him B4 he was water baptized? That was a sign of ownership

Ownership?

My post stands with your answer, Peter knew he was sent to them to show them how to be reborn.

They heard the message, received the Holy Ghost, he complete it by having them baptized.

Peter knew being baptized is a part of the rebirthing process sad so many don't.