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Correct, He did not die for them who never believe and obey. That's because His Death gives obedience to Him.

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
 
I didn't affirm such falsehoods, now you being dishonest

No, YOU said "God has determined that, B4 we are born", and the antecedent of "that" was my saying "God determines that all sinners can repent and all who refuse reap a just hell", so you DID affirm such "falsehoods", or were YOU being dishonest?
 
No, YOU said "God has determined that, B4 we are born", and the antecedent of "that" was my saying "God determines that all sinners can repent and all who refuse reap a just hell", so you DID affirm such "falsehoods", or were YOU being dishonest?
Well to clarify, I believe God has predetermined, b4 we were born, who is going to be saved by Him, and who He is going to damn in hell of their sins. Now that said, if God has predetermined one to be saved by Him, He gives them Faith and repentance in saving them, and the ones He predetermined to damn in hell, He withholds salvation blessings such as faith and repentance and confirms them in their disobedience and wickedness. So I would not confirm that all sinners can repent, that's a falsehood.
 
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I'm thinking you saying 1 Cor 2 tells us that there are Christians who was not baptized?

Can you be more specific

How can you be Christ like if your not like HIM?

JESUS was baptized to fulfil all rightness and received the Holy Ghost.

Romans 6 does,
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

How can a person be reborn without dying with JESUS, it is very clear we are PLANTED with him and we raise with HIM.

Are you humble?

ALL of GOD'S word is good, but it all has to fit like a puzzle you can't leave pieces out and expect it to work.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

THESE ARE HIS WORDS,
Mark 16:16-17

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

IF you believe HIS words you will be baptized and YOU WILL BE SAVED, if you don't believe you will not be baptized and you will be DAMNED.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

THESE signs WILL FOLLOW. Meaning not that second but you will cast out devils and speak with new tongues.


Remember in Acts 2:1 JESUS told HIS disciples not to go out without it?

This happened.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Peter said what happens when you are filled, just like what JESUS said in Mark 16:17

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

1 Corinthians 1:14, SO WHAT Paul wasn't sent to baptize he was sent to preach.
Paul did in fact baptize and was baptized for remission of sins.

Yep, JESUS did not baptized either, HE also was sent to preach.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

JESUS said can't enter without being baptized or receive the Holy Ghost...................

THERE ARE HUNDREDS of cases like this.

Just like in John 3, JESUS gave specific insurrections to this men.

John 9:7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

IF HE DIDN'T OBEY WOULD HE HAVE GAIN HIS SIGHT?



Think about Abraham, how about the walls of Jericho?

If they didn't OBEY would anything have happened?

We are born in sin and the only way to get rid of it is being baptized in JESUS name.


Peter the one with the Keys to heaven knew what to do.
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Calling it a work?

As I said, Satan's plan keep them out of the water and if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

Satan knows what happens in the water.
Do you believe Jesus was Divine? God,in flesh?
 
I'm thinking you saying 1 Cor 2 tells us that there are Christians who was not baptized?

Can you be more specific

How can you be Christ like if your not like HIM?

JESUS was baptized to fulfil all rightness and received the Holy Ghost.

Romans 6 does,
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

How can a person be reborn without dying with JESUS, it is very clear we are PLANTED with him and we raise with HIM.

Are you humble?

ALL of GOD'S word is good, but it all has to fit like a puzzle you can't leave pieces out and expect it to work.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

THESE ARE HIS WORDS,
Mark 16:16-17

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

IF you believe HIS words you will be baptized and YOU WILL BE SAVED, if you don't believe you will not be baptized and you will be DAMNED.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

THESE signs WILL FOLLOW. Meaning not that second but you will cast out devils and speak with new tongues.


Remember in Acts 2:1 JESUS told HIS disciples not to go out without it?

This happened.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Peter said what happens when you are filled, just like what JESUS said in Mark 16:17

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

1 Corinthians 1:14, SO WHAT Paul wasn't sent to baptize he was sent to preach.
Paul did in fact baptize and was baptized for remission of sins.

Yep, JESUS did not baptized either, HE also was sent to preach.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

JESUS said can't enter without being baptized or receive the Holy Ghost...................

THERE ARE HUNDREDS of cases like this.

Just like in John 3, JESUS gave specific insurrections to this men.

John 9:7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

IF HE DIDN'T OBEY WOULD HE HAVE GAIN HIS SIGHT?



Think about Abraham, how about the walls of Jericho?

If they didn't OBEY would anything have happened?

We are born in sin and the only way to get rid of it is being baptized in JESUS name.


Peter the one with the Keys to heaven knew what to do.
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Calling it a work?

As I said, Satan's plan keep them out of the water and if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

Satan knows what happens in the water.
1 Corinthians 2 tells us we are Saved by God's grace. Not of ourselves, our work,so we are then incapable of boasting we Saved ourselves by working for our redemption.


For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
 
1 Corinthians 2 tells us we are Saved by God's grace. Not of ourselves, our work,so we are then incapable of boasting we Saved ourselves by working for our redemption.


For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Can you let us know which New Testament works you believe Christians do not have to obey?
 
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Well to clarify, I believe God has predetermined, b4 we were born, who is going to be saved by Him, and who He is going to damn in hell of their sins. Now that said, if God has predetermined one to be saved by Him, He gives them Faith and repentance in saving them, and the ones He predetermined to damn in hell, He withholds salvation blessings such as faith and repentance and confirms them in their disobedience and wickedness. So I would not confirm that all sinners can repent, that's a falsehood.
That's Scripture.❤️

Many who consider the New Testament don't realize the Old Testament is its foundation and relative. The Gospel is a consistent perfect narrative of redemption,reconciliation, and eternal irrevocable Salvation predetermined by God before the foundation of the world.

Some demean that narrative with the dismissive judgement, Calvinism!

When it is God. And his will and plan.

The Calvinism opponents,who are sometimes Armenians, fail to realize John got his teachings from others before him. And they all derived their understanding from what God said.
 
Can you let us know which New Testament works you believe Christians do not have to obey?
Your contention regarding Baptism is requsite or we are not Saved makes the onus yours.
Show the Scripture that teaches us, we are not in God's grace of irrevocable Salvation unless we are Baptized.
 
Your contention regarding Baptism is requsite or we are not Saved makes the onus yours.
Show the Scripture that teaches us, we are not in God's grace of irrevocable Salvation unless we are Baptized.
Do you really believe if you die without baptism you will be saved?
 
Well to clarify, I believe God has predetermined, b4 we were born, who is going to be saved by Him, and who He is going to damn in hell of their sins. Now that said, if God has predetermined one to be saved by Him, He gives them Faith and repentance in saving them, and the ones He predetermined to damn in hell, He withholds salvation blessings such as faith and repentance and confirms them in their disobedience and wickedness. So I would not confirm that all sinners can repent, that's a falsehood.

Well, I was hoping you would convert to believing God loves everyone, because if He hates some, you might be one.
 
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That's Scripture.❤️

Many who consider the New Testament don't realize the Old Testament is its foundation and relative. The Gospel is a consistent perfect narrative of redemption,reconciliation, and eternal irrevocable Salvation predetermined by God before the foundation of the world.

Some demean that narrative with the dismissive judgement, Calvinism!

When it is God. And his will and plan.

The Calvinism opponents,who are sometimes Armenians, fail to realize John got his teachings from others before him. And they all derived their understanding from what God said.

Calvin got his tulipism from Augustine,
who failed to understand God had said He loves even His enemies and wants everyone to repent and be saved.
 
Well to clarify, I believe God has predetermined, b4 we were born, who is going to be saved by Him, and who He is going to damn in hell of their sins. Now that said, if God has predetermined one to be saved by Him, He gives them Faith and repentance in saving them, and the ones He predetermined to damn in hell, He withholds salvation blessings such as faith and repentance and confirms them in their disobedience and wickedness. So I would not confirm that all sinners can repent, that's a falsehood.

Don't get caught in this trap brightfame52 I entertained this a bit but how could it justify a just God. Imo which goes quite fluently with scripture is to say God predestined salvation before the foundations were formed. As in Christ was predestined.
God was not at all caught off guard with the fall of man.knowing the end from the beginning had already establish salvation and atonement.
The work of God is to believe the son first and foremost. It is God who desires all come to repentance. For he has no joy in the destruction of the wicked.
There are some because they refuse to except the truth that God turns over to reprobate no matter how God has made himself known.
You will see this in Revelation where even God has angels proclaim the Gospel but still they refuse.
Predestination of people does not fit God's nature .
Paul even said that God can save from the uttermost but a person that refuses to believe no matter what they have seen or heard is simply lost beyond reason.