Tricking Satan with Justice...
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I like the out of the box thinking,
although I believe in a literal 7 days of creation, so I guess I see dinosaurs co habiting the earth with humans until recently, there are so many stories and legends about dinosaurs and dragons, throughout history until a few hundred years ago, like the behemoth described in Job. I even think little dragons/dinosaurs were on the ark with Noah. so I guess we wont agree on the timing of Satans fall from that point of view.
To me it seems more logical when Jesus said He saw Satan falling, it was from His human form, not in some preincarnate sense and I am unsure what verses if there are even any that tell us Satan fell before men?
Also as I understand the meaning of contradiction as a proposition, statement, or phrase that asserts or implies both the truth and falsity of something
Saying Satan was cast out of heaven then saying he still sometimes resides in heaven to me is a contradiction.
Where as when I say Satan was cast out of heaven it means he no longer can go heaven for a holiday and or a cup of tea and a natter with Jesus.
Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the high places.
I guess one can read not against flesh and blood and conclude therefore our fight is not with men, or one can read this and conclude its not a physical battle but a spiritual battle with those in authority.
For me even those in authority or power, in a a privileged position above others in the school system and introducing evil doctrines, some places are trying to teach kids that its up to them to decide what gender they are attracted to or even what gender they are.
Even in Churches some have obtained authority and high places and are teaching untruths.
So just to keep this short, Eph 6 is telling us to obey authorities, kids to subject themselves to their parents etc and to try and even do good to these people who are blinded by this dark and evil world to win there favor and to win them to Christ.
So logically this has to be talking about men in this dark world not demons in my humble opinion, then putting on the armor of God makes more practical sense in how not to get ensnared by the temptations of this world and its lusts, and how to have courage and stand up for Jesus amongst our fellow men.
For example the flaming arrows of the wicked one are also the flaming arrows of Charles Darwin who undermine Gods truth by undermining the creation account, and with it taught in our colleges and schools, only well armored soldiers will survive from being wounded.
High places is not a clear enough translation. The word literally menas above the sky. It is translated heavenlies in other places
G2032 ἐπουράνιος epouranios (e-pou-ra'-niy-os) adj.
above the sky.
I like the out of the box thinking,
I even think little dragons/dinosaurs were on the ark with Noah. so I guess we wont agree on the timing of Satans fall from that point of view.
To me it seems more logical when Jesus said He saw Satan falling, it was from His human form, not in some preincarnate sense and I am unsure what verses if there are even any that tell us Satan fell before men?
Also as I understand the meaning of contradiction as a proposition, statement, or phrase that asserts or implies both the truth and falsity of something
Saying Satan was cast out of heaven then saying he still sometimes resides in heaven to me is a contradiction.
Where as when I say Satan was cast out of heaven it means he no longer can go heaven for a holiday and or a cup of tea and a natter with Jesus.
How many passages do we see about lions and bears because of their strength over man?
Now, how many do we see about dinosaurs, which should have gained much greater attention by mankind on earth?
Sorry... You have been taught creation by those who fail to understand the Hebrew meaning of Genesis 1:2.
Genesis 1:2
Hebrew= tohu wa bohu - was used by Jeremiah in Jeremiah 4:23, to warn the degenerate Jews of the kind of terrible destruction they were about to face in God's judgment of them!
In Genesis 1:2 we find the earth in utter ruin, having a vast weird emptiness about it, like a haunted house in a horror movie on a dark night.
Those who read Hebrew understood the implication. That is why Jeremiah had to add something after telling the Jews their land would end up in judgment like the earth was in Genesis 1:2.
Jeremiah had to add the verse 27, to let them know that Israel would not become extinct as what Genesis 1:2 implied in the Hebrew!
Here!
23
I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
and at the heavens,
and their light was gone. [ Genesis 1:2!]
24
I looked at the mountains,
and they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.
25
I looked, and there were no people;
every bird in the sky had flown away.
26
I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
all its towns lay in ruins
before the Lord, before his fierce anger.
27 This is what the Lord says:
“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely.
Note verse 27?
Jeremiah had to tell them they would not end up as the earth had become in Genesis 1:2.
Destroyed completely!
27 This is what the Lord says:
“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely.
We need to learn to concentrate with God's Word!
Or we will end up following fables instead.
grace and peace!
For sure, I guess I see above the sky as in the heavenly bodies like the sun moon and stars, like those who put them selves above others.
So agree it is ambiguous in meaning and hey you dont have to convince me Im in the minority for agreeing with the way translators use to see this verse pre 1700's as opinion changes over time.
And Im reasonably confident we are in agreeance that it can not mean we wrestle with those in heaven where the Lord and two thirds of the angels and all the saints that have gone on ahead of us to be with the Lord are now. Who by the way all worship and give glory to the Lord.
Not just because I think there are no demons or Satan in heaven but even people who think Demons the fallen angels are those whom we wrestle with, and I presume have them and the wrestling match on this terrestrial ball.
Say why your annoyed at Genez? and Ill clear the misunderstanding up, dont let Satan get under your skin
No, we are not in agreement. I think satan and his followers are still in heaven. It says in Revelation that satan accuses the brethren before God continually until he is cast out, which I believe doesn't happen until the trumpets begin to sound.
Demons have tried.
God allowed for it, so I could have sympathy later on for those who are not aware of what is driving them.
Are Satan and the angels mingling with all the saints that have gone on before us? To clarify this is how Im picturing your view point, Satan goes up to the Father and points at Moses over there and goes Moses is a dirty sinner he should not have eternal life he should not be here, God who is sick of this, doesnt bothering answering anymore He just points at Jesus to reinforce the answer He has already given "just have faith in me, they are covered."
To me the accuser of the brethren was cast down when Mary(Israel was with child) then a loud voice in heaven said,
Rev 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
Now has come salvation, was when Salvation came down to earth in the form of Man.
Luke 2:9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
Simeon the prophet had one desire to see Gods salvation come, and come He did.
Luke 2:28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: “Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,
you may now dismiss your servant in peace.
For my eyes have seen your salvation, which you have prepared in the sight of all nations: a light for revelation to the Gentiles,
and the glory of your people Israel.”
Just because Satan was the accuser does not mean to me he is still the accuser anymore. A big change happened after Jesus became man and dwelt among us.
Hmm under your skin, what does that inside mean, inside your body ? Or get on your nerves ?
If you resists the devil with a determined and disciplined daily intake of sound teaching from a competent pastor-teacher?
Eventually, you will end up resisting and refuting them with your life.
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
James 4:6-7
Only to be realized with sound doctrine...
Ok well this is good advice, the saying don't let the demons in, have you heard of that saying ?, that when you suppose to pray, as the lords prayer says give us today your daily bread,
I don't think you would prayer the lords prayer everyday, unless your use to saying grace before meals.
But I just wonder when you say the lords prayer, which part has you less worried,
Not having any daily bread
Not being delivered from temptation ..
Nit being delivered from evil
“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken and will He not make it good and fulfill it?"
Salvation is only for man but He is grace He is mercy He is forgiveness and more then I know. Have you come to torment us before our time. There's something else here going on we do not know about. Its like some that say hell was God showing mercy to Satan. I mean there was no place found for him in heaven so hell was made. A place where GOD is no where in that. Not saying I believe that but I like to hear all sides.
So why? God is not man. He does not think like us. Were all tainted by sin.. once we get out of here.. ooh now we can see now we understand but to look at this now and.. its like God even giving Satan the time of day so to speak when it came to Job.
So answer is Adam & Eve. We know Satan is the god of this world.
When you find somebody who will genuinely teach accurately and soundly?
And, able to do so on a steady basis?
The devil will try to resist your taking in of the Word of God.
For the devil knows that the truth would make you free of him if you mature!
While growing in grace and knowledge, you will have to resist the devil resisting your progress.
But, just repeating some passage from rote like a single verse you memorized?
("from rote" is a form of learning by mechanical or habitual repetition without deep understanding.")
Being mechanical like that, will not cause the fleeing of the devil.
What I find is taking your time to answer is best,
1 hour could not be enough.
As you can quite often think you could have given a better answer.
Patience works well.
I have a question
You've said God allowed a thorn in your side to teach people.
Ok so that's suggesting God thought you can handle it
Question did you handle it well,
Next question
Do you think testing people to see if there proud is a good thing ?