Rabbit trails leading down the garden path to nowhere... what did you expect? LOL
Best to stick to the Bible; we know what it says which is how we can spot the many errors of these heretics so easily.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Best to stick to the Bible; we know what it says which is how we can spot the many errors of these heretics so easily.
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Does His omniscience permeate even into Romans 9? Of course.
Now pick a book and chapter and tell me one where God's omniscience does NOT permeate.
Just to let you know, I knew that I was going to be burdened by explaining this to you. Because you just are not packing the gear buddy. You flunked the course on God's omniscience same as the rest.
@Cameron143 buddy, does God's omniscience permeate everything and everyone everywhere all the time, reading the thoughts of the mind and the intents of the heart? Yes.
Does His omniscience permeate even into Romans 9? Of course.
Now pick a book and chapter and tell me one where God's omniscience does NOT permeate.
Just to let you know, I knew that I was going to be burdened by explaining this to you. Because you just are not packing the gear buddy. You flunked the course on God's omniscience same as the rest.
Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
Think of my presentation to certain individuals here (cough cough Calvinists) as warm and fuzzy with undertones of harmless yet poignant sarcasm.
To say one of God's attributes permeates all He does is shortsighted. God isn't broken into parts. He is never not omnipotent, just, or gracious either. But in constructing the Bible, God isn't always emphasizing every attribute. Neither is He conveying all of His ways in every particular passage. That said, anyone reading Romans 9 and emphasizes the omniscience of God when the passage is clearly delineating the sovereignty of God is doing this part of scripture an injustice.
By the checkmark, I assume that @Magenta is right there with you at an attention span 20 minutes or less?
That being the case, how then will you two ever matriculate out of Bible school kindergarten? And why do you profess expertise that you admit you cannot possibly obtain?
1 Peter 2 v 7-8 To you who believe, then, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” and, “A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word- and to this they were appointed.
It is called comparing Scripture with Scripture.
I can not believe you are not getting this.
I showed you truth from various verses that validated my point.
And, what do you do?
There is no sense in what you said.
2 Corinthians 5 verses 4-5 While we are in this tent, we groan under our burdens, because we do not wish to be unclothed but clothed, so that our mortality may be swallowed up by life. And it is God Who has prepared us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a pledge of what is to come.
What makes no sense is talking about a passage of scripture about sovereignty, and projecting choice into it. And the verses you shared only spoke to what God responds to in people, and not how they come to be that way. In other words, God responding to those of a humble and contrite heart says nothing about how one comes to be in such an estate.
that's my point, Cameron143 ... Heb 11:8 says that Abraham left by faith ... that was in Gen 12 when he was a natural man ... righteousness was not imputed to him until years later when Scripture says Abraham believed in the LORD and it was counted to him for righteousness – Gen 15:6.
What that tells us is that natural man can hear, can believe, can obey Scripture ... before they are made righteous.
God told Abraham in Gen 12:2; God told Abraham in Gen 13:16 ... and there was no expression of faith from Abraham in that promise.
But when God told Abraham in Gen 15:5 and Abraham finally believed ... that was when righteousness was imputed to him.
So when you and your friends insist that natural man cannot believe ... that they cannot believe because they cannot hear ... Scripture says otherwise.
You and your friends claim "FWers" ... "missed the point" ... or "believe the opposite of what is taught in Scripture" ... or "contradict and deny Bible verses" ... or "mangle and butcher and sometimes rewrite to suit their vain self-exalting theology" ... when the plain words of Scripture show that Abraham believed God as a natural man ... Abraham obeyed God as a natural man. When Abraham finally believed the truth whereby God could impute righteousness to him, then God imputed righteousness to him ... not before when he believed and left Haran (Gen 12:1) ... not before when he believed and walked through the land (Gen 13:17)
Then you come up with something like well, he was "regenerated" and that's why he could hear and then he could believe. Yet there is no verse which tells us that he was regenerated before he left Ur of Chaldees or when he left Haran. There is no verse which tells us that faith was imputed to Abraham before he believed in Gen 15.
When God reveals Himself to natural man, the natural man can either believe and receive the blessing ... or the natural man can suppress the truth in unrighteousness and receive the consequence. There is no grant of hearing by God to the one or withholding of hearing by God to the other. The hearing is dulled by those who continuously suppress the truth in unrighteousness and God eventually gives them over (which occurs over many years).
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As a MFWer, please allow me to enlighten you regarding what we believe:
God enables sinners to repent of loving darkness and seek the light. (Matt. 4:16-17)
God enables sinners to have MFW and seek Him. (Matt. 7:7, Heb. 11:6)
God enables sinners to be freed from slavery. (Rom. 6:16-17)
God enables sinners to become His children. (Rom. 4:13-18, 7:21-8:17)
God enables those blinded by Satan to be healed. (John 9:41)
God enables sinners to learn that salvation is through faith, not works. (Gal. 2:15-21)
This is the word of God tulipists should believe.
If they do I would say they are not part of the evangelical classic traditional Christianity, the TULIP system is not connected to the teachings of Paul and Christ Jesus, Christ Jesus died for all, not the "efficacious for some" babble nonsense which is a reformed doctrine as well.
told you you'd say something like that ...
No verse tells us he was regenerated before he left Ur of Chaldees or when he left Haran. No verse which tells us that faith was imputed to Abraham before he believed in Gen 15. No verse which tells us that righteousness was imputed to Abraham before he believed in Gen 15.
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Right.
It has been said many, many times .. grace always initiates.
Get the story right.
God provides OPPORTUNITY for salvation in and of Himself.
Some CHOOSE to RECEIVE Him, some do not.
Then the inevitable consequences of the choice.