believe what HE SAYS
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Wer Er ist und was Er getan hat
dass, hat Er gesprochen
believe what HE SAYS
The Charlie Kirk assassination/martyrdom prompts the question whether our forgiveness of sinners
should be the same as God's conditional forgiveness (upon repentance), or should be unconditional
(whether the perp repents or not) and thereby abet the occurrence of crime.
IOW, does Luke 23:34 contradict Matthew 4:17?
How can these two verses be harmonized?
This feels incomplete. Feel free to respond in the new thread I created. I don't do acronyms or other languages as I've said before.This post is for NightTwister regarding the essential doctrine from Lesson 2 of our website <truthseekersfellowship.com>
A major reason many Christians throughout history have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (Eph. 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues. They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. John 17:20-23, “May they be one…”). Thus, unity regarding the Gospel is more important than accuracy regarding doctrinal details.
The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
- There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
- Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
- Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
- Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
- Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).
This feels incomplete. Feel free to respond in the new thread I created. I don't do acronyms or other languages as I've said before.
I'm not going to respond anymore in this thread. Feel free to engage or not in the other one. It's your choice.I responded re #1 on your thread, so now it is your turn to respond to my #1 here, which has no acronyms or foreign languages.
I'm not going to respond anymore in this thread. Feel free to engage or not in the other one. It's your choice.
What is God's requirement for salvation (GRFS)?
Your question implies that something is required of us in order to be saved. Romans 9: 14-16 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So, then, it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy. None of us are worthy to be saved. Out of all that are condemned, which is all of us, He saves a few to show His mercy, and condemns the rest to show His justice to all of the other heavenly beings. There is nothing that we can do to attain salvation, except recognize that you are a sinner and have a deep repentance for your sins. This deep repentance is a necessary ingredient for salvation. That is how the Father chooses, by granting this deep repentance. When you have this deep repentance, you turn to Him for forgiveness. Through preaching you are introduced to Jesus and the forgiveness of sins simply by believing. Jesus in turn baptizes you with the Holy Spirit, who acts as a portal through which both Father and Son can enter your being and change your motivation for living from love of self first, to love of God first and all others as you love yourself. Pray to Him to help you get rid of any anger or hate in you, and for Him to help you to do His will. When both Father and Son fill your being, you become One with the Father and Son. That is what Jesus prayed to the Father for concerning his disciples, that they would be One and that they would share the same love that they shared. You get baptized in the name of the Father when He chooses you by granting repentance. You get baptized in the name of the Son when you put your trust in his death for the forgiveness of sins. You get baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit when through the Holy Spirit, both Father and Son enter your being and fill you with Love. Salvation is a state of being.
I see that you are a tulipist, and I was raised as a Baptist but now identify as a MFWer.
I agree that salvation depends on God's mercy/grace, but I guess we disagree regarding to whom God chooses to offer heaven.
I also agree that obtaining salvation is conditional upon repentance, but I guess we disagree regarding who may repent.
I also agree that the normative way of being convicted of sin is through the preaching/teaching of the Gospel.
I also agree that when a sinner repents and accepts Jesus as Lord, he/she receives or is baptized with the Holy Spirit.
I also agree that the sign of saving faith is love for God and others and oneself.
I also agree that conversion begins the lifelong process of sanctification or becoming more loving.
I agree that those filled with God's loving power are the answer to the prayer of Jesus for oneness/unity.
Thus, salvation has three states of being: We were saved when we repented, we are being saved now, and we will be saved when translated to heaven.
Not sure whether you want to discuss the two points of disagreement I mentioned.
To whom do you think God chooses to offer heaven?
Sinners repent when they regret their sins, feel deep sorrow, and turn to God for forgiveness.