The Lord waits for us

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Burn1986

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Ran across Isaiah 30:18
“So the Lord must wait for you to come to him
so he can show you his love and compassion.
For the Lord is a faithful God.
Blessed are those who wait for his help.”

It’s simple, but it’s comforting to know that God waits for us to go through our stubborn stages, and is ready at a moment’s notice to have mercy and rescue us. Yes, it’s hard for me to believe this at times.
 
Yes, but I don't think he is patiently waiting with open arms while we sin and sin before salvation. The wrath of God abides on people who don't believe (John 3:36), so I think God is actually quite angry with people before they believe.
 
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Yes, but I don't think he is patiently waiting with open arms while we sin and sin before salvation. The wrath of God abides on people who don't believe (John 3:36), so I think God is actually quite angry with people before they believe.
Well, Im more thinking of myself and figured others might be going through something similar. (And this be encouraged)
 
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Yes, but I don't think he is patiently waiting with open arms while we sin and sin before salvation. The wrath of God abides on people who don't believe (John 3:36), so I think God is actually quite angry with people before they believe.
If God doesn't wait with open arms, how come he embraces those who come to him?
 
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Yes, but I don't think he is patiently waiting with open arms while we sin and sin before salvation. The wrath of God abides on people who don't believe (John 3:36), so I think God is actually quite angry with people before they believe.

Jesus dies while we were still reprobate and dead in our sins. God is love...He is not hate or revenge or anger or wrath or whatever. The Bible says He is love. Love itself and that is the reason He sent Jesus to die for us when we did not acknowledge Him. If God were angry before people were ever saved, how would he draw the unsaved to His plan of salvation?

We need to believe what the Bible states about God and nothing else. When a person dies after rejecting Jesus, that will be when the wrath of God will be upon them. We are still living in a world that Jesus died for.
 
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If anyone doubts the grace, love and mercy of God, there is the story of Manasseh in II Chron. We are told that he did worse, as king, then the nations God told the Israelites to drive out.

1Manasseh was twelve years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem fifty-five years. 2And he did evil in the sight of the LORD by following the abominations of the nations that the LORD had driven out before the Israelites. 3For he rebuilt the high places that his father Hezekiah had torn down, and he raised up altars for the Baals and made Asherah poles. And he worshiped and served all the host of heaven.

4Manasseh also built altars in the house of the LORD, of which the LORD had said, “My Name will remain in Jerusalem forever.” 5In both courtyards of the house of the LORD, he built altars to all the host of heaven. 6He sacrificed his sons in the firea in the Valley of Ben-hinnom. He practiced sorcery, divination, and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did great evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger.

7Manasseh even took the carved image he had made and set it up in the house of God, of which God had said to David and his son Solomon, “In this temple and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, I will establish My Name forever. 8I will never again cause the feet of the Israelites to leave the land that I assigned to your fathers, if only they are careful to do all that I have commanded them through Moses—all the laws, statutes, and judgments.”

9So Manasseh led the people of Judah and Jerusalem astray, so that they did greater evil than the nations that the LORD had destroyed before the Israelites.


AND WHAT HAPPENED?

Manasseh’s Repentance and Restoration
(2 Kings 21:10–18)

10And the LORD spoke to Manasseh and his people, but they did not listen. 11So the LORD brought against them the military commanders of the king of Assyria, who captured Manasseh, put a hook in his nose, bound him with bronze shackles, and took him to Babylon. 12And in his distress, Manasseh sought the favor of the LORD his God and earnestly humbled himself before the God of his fathers
. 13And when he prayed to Him, the LORD received his plea and heard his petition. So He brought him back to Jerusalem and to his kingdom. Then Manasseh knew that the LORD is God.

14After this, Manasseh rebuilt the outer wall of the City of David from west of Gihon in the valley to the entrance of the Fish Gate, and he brought it around the hill of Ophel and heightened it considerably. He also stationed military commanders in all the fortified cities of Judah.

15He removed the foreign gods and the idol from the house of the LORD, along with all the altars he had built on the temple mountb and in Jerusalem, and he dumped them outside the city. 16Then he restored the altar of the LORD and sacrificed peace offerings and thank offerings on it, and he told Judah to serve the LORD, the God of Israel. 17Nevertheless, the people still sacrificed at the high places, but only to the LORD their God.

18As for the rest of the acts of Manasseh, along with his prayer to his God and the words of the seers who spoke to him in the name of the LORD, the God of Israel, they are indeed written in the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel.c 19His prayer and how God received his plea, as well as all his sin and unfaithfulness, and the sites where he built high places and set up Asherah poles and idols before he humbled himself, they are indeed written in the Records of the Seers.d 20And Manasseh rested with his fathers and was buried at his palace. And his son Amon reigned in his place.
II Kings 21:10-18


Imagine that.
 
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Isaiah 46 v 10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'
 
Well, Im more thinking of myself and figured others might be going through something similar. (And this be encouraged)

Sorry brother, I didn't mean to rain on your post. What you wrote was quite true, he does wait for us and is ready at a moment's notice for when our beliefs about his Son change, up until that point I imagine he is quite angry at us though, we are even enemies of his, but glory be to God we are reconciled through the death of his Son. That is a loving thing to do, to send your son to die for your own enemies so that he can take their punishment. Wow. Totally undeserved too. God is great.
 
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Sorry brother, I didn't mean to rain on your post. What you wrote was quite true, he does wait for us and is ready at a moment's notice for when our beliefs about his Son change, up until that point I imagine he is quite angry at us though, we are even enemies of his, but glory be to God we are reconciled through the death of his Son. That is a loving thing to do, to send your son to die for your own enemies so that he can take their punishment. Wow. Totally undeserved too. God is great.
Do you think Jesus was angry with those who he sought after when he was on earth or when he was on the cross asked the Father forgive them for they don't know what they are doing"
 
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Do you think Jesus was angry with those who he sought after when he was on earth or when he was on the cross asked the Father forgive them for they don't know what they are doing"

I am basing my reasoning on that God's wrath abides on unbelievers as it says in John 3:36. But no, I don't think God or Jesus were actively angry when Jesus was doing his work on the earth (though at some times he certainly was, such as when he cleared the Temple), God was in him reconciling the world to himself. Jesus was a man of sorrows, so God was probably very sorrowful. I think it is very likely that God has an angry disposition with sinners now though, because like I said his wrath abides on unbelievers (John 3:36). He even hates the wicked and those that love violence. I have done things that I think are wicked before I repented, so God hated me. If that wickedness was a part of me though I was not always doing wicked deeds then God hated me for a long time before I repented. God is not schizophrenic, devoid of all ill feelings toward us and our sin until the point of death, it's not possible, we're made in his image, he's not a computer and he doesn't like sin. I think it would be natural for God to be angry at us before we believe in his Son. He wanted to kill Moses for something most of us would consider very minor I imagine. And,

Psalm 50:21-23 (King James Version)
21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

This is what God says for some particular sinners. A warning that he will literally tear them to shreds if they don't pay attention to him. He's not to be taken lightly. Most of the world watches pornography nowadays without batting an eye at it, it is akin to what the verses previous say about partaking with those who commit adultery. Many forms of entertainment glorify theft, verses previous to these ones also have words on that. But, like I said, I am basing my reasoning on that God's wrath abides on unbelievers as it says in John 3:36.
 
I am basing my reasoning on that God's wrath abides on unbelievers as it says in John 3:36. But no, I don't think God or Jesus were actively angry when Jesus was doing his work on the earth (though at some times he certainly was, such as when he cleared the Temple), God was in him reconciling the world to himself. Jesus was a man of sorrows, so God was probably very sorrowful. I think it is very likely that God has an angry disposition with sinners now though, because like I said his wrath abides on unbelievers (John 3:36). He even hates the wicked and those that love violence. I have done things that I think are wicked before I repented, so God hated me. If that wickedness was a part of me though I was not always doing wicked deeds then God hated me for a long time before I repented. God is not schizophrenic, devoid of all ill feelings toward us and our sin until the point of death, it's not possible, we're made in his image, he's not a computer and he doesn't like sin. I think it would be natural for God to be angry at us before we believe in his Son. He wanted to kill Moses for something most of us would consider very minor I imagine. And,

Psalm 50:21-23 (King James Version)
21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

This is what God says for some particular sinners. A warning that he will literally tear them to shreds if they don't pay attention to him. He's not to be taken lightly. Most of the world watches pornography nowadays without batting an eye at it, it is akin to what the verses previous say about partaking with those who commit adultery. Many forms of entertainment glorify theft, verses previous to these ones also have words on that. But, like I said, I am basing my reasoning on that God's wrath abides on unbelievers as it says in John 3:36.
When you sin is God angry with you?
 
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Angry enough to want to scourge and chasten me, I believe, like it says in Hebrews 12:6. I think he is not pleased at sin.
And there is the point.
He is not pleased with sin, the sin we do.
Yes he may not be pleased with us but I don't believe he is angry with us.
 
Discipline carried out in anger is not what God the Father does.

I think it might bother him a bit! I don't know how he could be neutral towards it. To each their own though. I don't know how you couldn't see he's angry at sinners though from the verses I quoted two posts ago though, it's a literal threat from God for things that can be commonplace in our society.
 
Angry enough to want to scourge and chasten me, I believe, like it says in Hebrews 12:6. I think he is not pleased at sin.

The “wrath of God” is the eternal consequence for refusing to believe in the Son. This is not a momentary state of anger; instead, it is an eternal wrath that will abide, or remain, on sinners who persist in unbelief. The wrath of God is not capricious or arbitrary; rather, it is a justified response to a person’s decision to reject the Son, who is the only means of salvation (see John 14:6). The NLT words John 3:36 this way: “Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son . . . remains under God’s angry judgment.”

Got Questions.
 
I think it might bother him a bit! I don't know how he could be neutral towards it. To each their own though. I don't know how you couldn't see he's angry at sinners though from the verses I quoted two posts ago though, it's a literal threat from God for things that can be commonplace in our society.
God's wrath applies to those who do not believe in Jesus.

You believe in Jesus yet will still sin so does his wrath apply to you?

The Holy Spirit came when Jesus ascended to heaven.

He said that the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of it's sin.

What sin was that?

The sin of unbelief in Jesus.

Those who reject that are under the wrath of God.
 
I think it might bother him a bit! I don't know how he could be neutral towards it. To each their own though. I don't know how you couldn't see he's angry at sinners though from the verses I quoted two posts ago though, it's a literal threat from God for things that can be commonplace in our society.
Do you go around telling non believers that God is angry with them when you evangelise?
 
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Do you go around telling non believers that God is angry with them when you evangelise?

I don't remember to be honest, but I wouldn't be afraid to talk about God's wrath if it did come up, it's evidenced throughout the Bible towards sinners. I don't believe God just turns on his wrath when someone dies, I believe it is something that is acquired through a person's life of sin (though I believe God is longsuffering towards everybody). God is a real person and I think he has real emotions.
 
When wrestling with sin whole seeking God,
I am basing my reasoning on that God's wrath abides on unbelievers as it says in John 3:36. But no, I don't think God or Jesus were actively angry when Jesus was doing his work on the earth (though at some times he certainly was, such as when he cleared the Temple), God was in him reconciling the world to himself. Jesus was a man of sorrows, so God was probably very sorrowful. I think it is very likely that God has an angry disposition with sinners now though, because like I said his wrath abides on unbelievers (John 3:36). He even hates the wicked and those that love violence. I have done things that I think are wicked before I repented, so God hated me. If that wickedness was a part of me though I was not always doing wicked deeds then God hated me for a long time before I repented. God is not schizophrenic, devoid of all ill feelings toward us and our sin until the point of death, it's not possible, we're made in his image, he's not a computer and he doesn't like sin. I think it would be natural for God to be angry at us before we believe in his Son. He wanted to kill Moses for something most of us would consider very minor I imagine. And,

Psalm 50:21-23 (King James Version)
21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

This is what God says for some particular sinners. A warning that he will literally tear them to shreds if they don't pay attention to him. He's not to be taken lightly. Most of the world watches pornography nowadays without batting an eye at it, it is akin to what the verses previous say about partaking with those who commit adultery. Many forms of entertainment glorify theft, verses previous to these ones also have words on that. But, like I said, I am basing my reasoning on that God's wrath abides on unbelievers as it says in John 3:36.
You’re reading too much into it. You obviously enjoy writing and getting an intellectual satisfaction in a well constructed “intellectual” reply to a spiritual matter, even though this scripture obviously does not apply to you. There are times in a Christian’s life when they go through trials (either by their own making or something else). Just as with the prodigal son, the Father actively waited for his son. You can do a deep dive on this and spend hours applying different angles, historical exposition, word study sequences and commentary, and that’s good for you. For me, I read this and simply thought it’s comforting to know that God is waiting for us.